Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

[Value Buy]

Little known fact, or at least to me.......

Phil was the starting quarterback for a major University.

He decided to quit College because he felt he had bigger ambitions than becoming an NFL quarterback after College (plus the money was not that great then, about $60,000) plus he preferred hunting and fishing.

When he told the coach he was quitting, the Coach went to his house to talk him out of quitting.

Found him skinning a deer.

Duck Dynasty was being established.

Oh and the back up quarterback?

Terry Bradshaw   

[thyme4change]

Why was it okay for Miley Cyrus to sexually humiliate herself in front of a national audience on television, but it’s not okay for a duck-hunting, beard-growing, redneck to share his thoughts?

There were a LOT of people who criticized her and said her performance was the downfall of America.  I'm not seeing this double standard you claim to exist.  

If anything, I could turn the question and say "Why was it so morally repulsive for Miley Cyrus to be obnoxious, but you feel that A&E should be forced to continue to broadcast Robertson?"  

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 12:37:55 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:35:18 GMT -5 AGB said:

Maybe you didn't get them memo, but... we already are.

People tend to brand others with all sorts of labels.  The sword cuts both ways.

Some people do, indeed.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 12:38:48 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:36:37 GMT -5 mtman said:

Didn't you know.....Only white folk can be racists and bigots

Nope.  There are racists and bigots of all skin colors.

I think that was a reference to this "definition" :

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 14:15:47 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Why was it okay for Miley Cyrus to sexually humiliate herself in front of a national audience on television, but it’s not okay for a duck-hunting, beard-growing, redneck to share his thoughts?

There were a LOT of people who criticized her and said her performance was the downfall of America.  I'm not seeing this double standard you claim to exist.  

If anything, I could turn the question and say "Why was it so morally repulsive for Miley Cyrus to be obnoxious, but you feel that A&E should be forced to continue to broadcast Robertson?"  

What did Mr. Robertson say that has people so upset?

[thyme4change]

Dec 21, 2013 14:28:59 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:15:47 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

What did Mr. Robertson say that has people so upset?

That being gay is a sin and black people weren't mistreated and were happier under Jim Crow.

What he says doesn't upset me or surprise me, but I don't think A&E should be required to keep him employed.  

[mmhmm]

Dec 21, 2013 14:26:23 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 12:38:48 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Nope.  There are racists and bigots of all skin colors.

I think that was a reference to this "definition" :

*chuckle*  Having posted on other message boards with the poster to whose post I responded long prior to Obama's election, I can assure you that isn't the case.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 14:31:38 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:28:59 GMT -5 AGB said:

What did Mr. Robertson say that has people so upset?

That being gay is a sin and black people weren't mistreated and were happier under Jim Crow.

What he says doesn't upset me or surprise me, but I don't think A&E should be required to keep him employed.  

Instead of paraphrasing, please quote him.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 14:38:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:26:23 GMT -5 AGB said:

I think that was a reference to this "definition" :

*chuckle*  Having posted on other message boards with the poster to whose post I responded long prior to Obama's election, I can assure you that isn't the case.

Well, it was a guess, since that is what it reminded me of. I certainly don't know what goes on in other people's heads. Maybe the poster can clarify for themselves what or how it was meant and save us both the need for conjecture.

[b2r]

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong,” he says. “Sin becomes fine.”

What, in your mind, is sinful?

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

             Read More www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o8l99VP3

[mmhmm]

Dec 21, 2013 14:42:01 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:38:12 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

*chuckle*  Having posted on other message boards with the poster to whose post I responded long prior to Obama's election, I can assure you that isn't the case.

Well, it was a guess, since that is what it reminded me of. I certainly don't know what goes on in other people's heads. Maybe the poster can clarify for themselves what or how it was meant and save us both the need for conjecture.

I don't need to conjecture.  I've seen the same statement from said poster many times before.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 14:47:44 GMT -5 b2r said:

“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”

Phil On Growing Up in Pre-Civil-Rights-Era Louisiana
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”

“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong,” he says. “Sin becomes fine.”

What, in your mind, is sinful?

“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

             Read More www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2o8l99VP3

What are people upset over?

[mtman]

Dec 21, 2013 15:12:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:47:44 GMT -5 b2r said:

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What are people upset over?

The truth hurts.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 14:51:57 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:42:01 GMT -5 AGB said:

Well, it was a guess, since that is what it reminded me of. I certainly don't know what goes on in other people's heads. Maybe the poster can clarify for themselves what or how it was meant and save us both the need for conjecture.

I don't need to conjecture.  I've seen the same statement from said poster many times before.

Maybe it's because I've been on the receiving end of others claiming to know what I mean before, but I'm open to giving people the opportunity to explain their thoughts. YMMV.

[billisonboard]

Dec 21, 2013 15:12:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:47:44 GMT -5 b2r said:

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What are people upset over?

You would need to look to each person for that answer. There seems to be a lot of published statements out there that explain individuals reasoning.

[mmhmm]

Dec 21, 2013 15:15:25 GMT -5 AGB said:

Dec 21, 2013 14:51:57 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I don't need to conjecture.  I've seen the same statement from said poster many times before.

Maybe it's because I've been on the receiving end of others claiming to know what I mean before, but I'm open to giving people the opportunity to explain their thoughts. YMMV.

I agree with you, AGB.  I don't like people telling me what I think/mean, either.  However, with such a long history and having read this very same statement from the poster many times, under many different circumstances, and having read much more direct statements on the issue from that same poster, it's not really in question for me.  For one who doesn't have that history, I can certainly understand your stance.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 15:22:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Dec 21, 2013 15:12:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

What are people upset over?

You would need to look to each person for that answer. There seems to be a lot of published statements out there that explain individuals reasoning.

Then I will look to each person for an answer. To those on here who take issue with what Mr. Robertson said, what is upsetting to you? What has this man said that deserves him being suspended?

[mmhmm]

Dec 21, 2013 15:13:41 GMT -5 mtman said:

Dec 21, 2013 15:12:07 GMT -5 AGB said:

What are people upset over?

The truth hurts.

Your truth isn't everyone's truth.

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 15:33:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dec 21, 2013 15:15:25 GMT -5 AGB said:

Maybe it's because I've been on the receiving end of others claiming to know what I mean before, but I'm open to giving people the opportunity to explain their thoughts. YMMV.

I agree with you, AGB.  I don't like people telling me what I think/mean, either.  However, with such a long history and having read this very same statement from the poster many times, under many different circumstances, and having read much more direct statements on the issue from that same poster, it's not really in question for me.  For one who doesn't have that history, I can certainly understand your stance.

I can agree with that. There is certainly a point where you don't need to consider a person's explanations, when their actions have been louder than words, consistently.

[Waffle]

I'm not surprised that people are offended by things that Phil Robertson said.  I was surprised at how quickly A&E came down on him.  Duck Dynasty is after all, a show about self-proclaimed rednecks.  Was someone actually expecting the patriarch of that family to be socially progressive?

[frankq]

If a person doesn't agree with gay or lesbian relations, they shouldn't indulge in gay or lesbian relations. It's really quite simple. They shouldn't, however, feel their disagreement is grounds to control what others might do/believe, IMO.

I agree. I didn't read anything about Mr. Robinson trying to control anything. I have heard nothing but newscasts about how the gay community and the African American community are trying to control how A&E deals with Mr. Robinson though..........

[frankq]

What he says doesn't upset me or surprise me, but I don't think A&E should be required to keep him employed.

They shouldn't be "required" to end the show either.....Everybody talks about how the "public" is/should respond...then lets just let it happen. If people are so upset about it, they won't watch the show and it will be cancelled, and they won't buy all the DD stuff in the stores and it will disappear. The problem is that those people that got their feathers ruffled don't want it to play out because it just might not go the way they want it to.

[chiver78]

Dec 21, 2013 16:17:17 GMT -5 frankq said:

What he says doesn't upset me or surprise me, but I don't think A&E should be required to keep him employed.

They shouldn't be "required" to end the show either.....Everybody talks about how the "public" is/should respond...then lets just let it happen. If people are so upset about it, they won't watch the show and it will be cancelled, and they won't buy all the DD stuff in the stores and it will disappear. The problem is that those people that got their feathers ruffled don't want it to play out because it just might not go the way they want it to.

I don't believe A&E is ending the show, they are just choosing to go on without this particular "character". if the show is ending, it's because the family is choosing to end it.

to answer the other question posed, "What has this man said that deserves him being suspended?"   I would say that he has reneged on his contract with A&E to conduct himself accordingly. someone else mentioned athletes getting suspended for stuff they do off-ice/field/whatever that makes the organization look bad by association. this is exactly the same thing.

[frankq]

I don't think people for the most part have an issue with gay people. I think many people have an issue with having gay people constantly remind everybody else that they are gay and feel the need to rub the faces of the rest of us in it. Who cares? As for 1967, it's a non-issue. As for Mr. Robinsons comments about the black community, it has to be remembered that the man grew up in a time and place very different than today, and bear in mind that his family was no better off than anyone else back then, black or white but they managed and, in his case, even prospered with no help from anyone else and, apparently, no public aid. While I don't agree necessarily agree with the way he expressed himself, I do agree that we have created a welfare state that benefits many people that it shouldn't. The show is about self proclaimed "Rednecks" and the "Redneck" stuff they do. It shouldn't come as a big surprise to hear comments that could be construed as "Redneck" commentary.

[frankq]

I don't believe A&E is ending the show, they are just choosing to go on without this particular "character". if the show is ending, it's because the family is choosing to end it.

to answer the other question posed, "What has this man said that deserves him being suspended?" I would say that he has reneged on his contract with A&E to conduct himself accordingly. someone else mentioned athletes getting suspended for stuff they do off-ice/field/whatever that makes the organization look bad by association. this is exactly the same thing.

I'm not privy to the contract that Phil Robinson has with A&E. If you are then please post a copy so that we can all read it. Thanks.

[Tennesseer]

Let's call this attack on Robertson for what it is: a war on the United States' 237 million citizens who identify themselves as Christians.

[chiver78]

I'm not privy to it either, but if there wasn't a clause like that in it, then Phil Robinson would likely have already filed a lawsuit against A&E for the suspension/termination. since that hasn't happened, I'm comfortable with my educated guess about the contents of the contract. YMMV

[AGB]

Dec 21, 2013 16:44:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Let's call this attack on Robertson for what it is: a war on the United States' 237 million citizens who identify themselves as Christians.

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 16:45:33 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

I'm not privy to it either, but if there wasn't a clause like that in it, then Phil Robinson would likely have already filed a lawsuit against A&E for the suspension/termination. since that hasn't happened, I'm comfortable with my educated guess about the contents of the contract. YMMV

I know that you are, but the rest of us are not as confident in your assumption as you are. I am also suspect of your assertion of having made an "educated guess" . I am fully confident, however, that neither you, nor the rest of us have any idea of what is in said contract. In addition, Mr. Robinson exhibited no BEHAVIOR  but only stated a PERSONAL view. Lets leave the legal stuff to those that have the knowledge shall we? YMMV?

[Deleted]

Disclaimer - I don't watch Duck Dynasty, I have never seen an episode. Nothing ever made me interested in it.

That said, that guy called more than homosexuality a sin. He included adulterers (which at least includes heterosexuals, but I think by definition they are heterosexual). He included people that sleep around. He included drunks and liars and folks that are greedy. That covers a lot of folks. Shouldn't everyone be pissed off at him?