Phil & Duck Dynasty- UPDATE: A&E Caves

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 17:54:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5 frankq said:

Here's an excerpt from the interview:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2525924/Duck-Dynasty-star-Phil-Robertson-blasted-linking-homosexuality-bestiality-controversial-new-interview.html

On growing up in pre-civil-rights-era Louisiana

'I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, "I tell you what: These doggone white people" - not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.'

Hmmmmmmm........I don't see Jim Crow in here, but I do see that Phil is slinging a cotton hoe right there with them because he is, as he puts it, "white trash".....It looks to me like he was comparing the then and the now and back then he, and other "white trash" were in the same boat as blacks.....so what's the big issue?

Robertson was born in 1947.  Medgar Evers was assinated in 1963.  Robertson would have been 16 years old.  Black and white civil rights activist in the south were being murdered as late as 1964.  Robertson would have been 17.

Is it possible what Robertson believed was happy silence of his black co-workers was actually fear of murder for speaking out?

Wow.......Really? Could it possibly be a case of extremely poor people of BOTH colors making do with what they had back then because they were all in the same boat far from the cities and that's how they all made a living?

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 20:47:57 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:22:55 GMT -5 frankq said:

That being gay is a sin and black people weren't mistreated and were happier under Jim Crow.

Just for the record, did Mr. Robertson

 actually say the words "happier under Jim Crow" anywhere in the GQ interview or are people just plugging the "Jim Crow" thing in because it's a good sound bite?

Clearly I paraphrased.  Jim Crow comes into context because of the man's age and his statement was clearly referring to a specific time.

And part of this whole issue is that of "paraphrasing". The man was talking about his own observations.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:08:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

But it seems to me (and I am neither religious or gay so I have no skin in the game) that the gay community wants to punish everyone who doesn't accept their lifestyle or choices.

How, exactly, do the gays want to punish people, Miss Tequila?  The gay people I know don't believe their "gayness" to be a choice, and several of them are Christians.

As to Phil Robertson, I've never seen the guy, and don't want to see him.  However, his beliefs are his beliefs and are none of my affair.

From the reports I have read, Robertson was suspended after GLAAD went to A&E and pressured them into distancing themselves from someone with his controversial views.

So yes, I believe that the gay community (at least parts of it) want to punish anyone who does not agree with their lifestyle. So the country has to be open and excepting as long as the views are in alignment with the gay community. Otherwise, they file lawsuits or pressure companies to fire the employees.

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 17:48:24 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

'We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus - whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort 'em out later, you see what I’m saying?'

This is where he lumped them in with terrorists frank. The rest of that quote is kinda interesting.

Fair enough. I'm not sure that it is a direct comparison but point taken. I'm a little concerned that the media seems to be printing "two different quotes" as my post from "the daily mail" illustrates. Yours is not footnoted with a source so I can't really comment on it. I was looking for the actual GQ interview but, apparently that isn't available until the mag is released.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:23:11 GMT -5 frankq said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:48:24 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

This is where he lumped them in with terrorists frank. The rest of that quote is kinda interesting.

Fair enough. I'm not sure that it is a direct comparison but point taken. I'm a little concerned that the media seems to be printing "two different quotes" as my post from "the daily" illustrates.

And he also lumped them in with drunks. I have many family members who are either recovering alcoholics, current alcoholics or dead. I didn't read that quote, gasp and think "my god, he compared my family to terrorists".

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5 frankq said:

Dec 21, 2013 17:54:13 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

RTilrtson was born in 1947.  Medgar Evers was assinated in 1963.  Robertson would have been 16 years old.  Black and white civil rights activist in the south were being murdered as late as 1964.  Robertson would have been 17.

Is it possible what Robertson believed was happy silence of his black co-workers was actually fear of murder for speaking out?

Wow.......Really? Could it possibly be a case of extremely poor people of BOTH colors making do with what they had back then because they were all in the same boat and that's how they all made a living?

White men were not lynched for flirting with white women.  Black men and boys were, Emmett Till for example.

[mtman]

Dec 22, 2013 11:23:00 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:08:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

How, exactly, do the gays want to punish people, Miss Tequila?  The gay people I know don't believe their "gayness" to be a choice, and several of them are Christians.

As to Phil Robertson, I've never seen the guy, and don't want to see him.  However, his beliefs are his beliefs and are none of my affair.

From the reports I have read, Robertson was suspended after GLAAD went to A&E and pressured them into distancing themselves from someone with his controversial views.

So yes, I believe that the gay community (at least parts of it) want to punish anyone who does not agree with their lifestyle. So the country has to be open and excepting as long as the views are in alignment with the gay community. Otherwise, they file lawsuits or pressure companies to fire the employees.

Spot on!!

[frankq]

Dec 21, 2013 19:29:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Phil probably never saw this picture.



Happy blacks and happy whites.

Actually, you're right. He probably never did as he lived deep in the woods, far from the cities with the rest of the "white trash and poor blacks........

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:26:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5 frankq said:

Wow.......Really? Could it possibly be a case of extremely poor people of BOTH colors making do with what they had back then because they were all in the same boat and that's how they all made a living?

White men were not lynched for flirting with white women.  Black men and boys were, Emmett Till for example.

And I'm sure I can find many examples of white men killed by black men for no other reason than race in today's world.

[mmhmm]

I can see I'm going to have to do some research on what happened here.  From what I can discern, Phil Robertson hasn't been fired.  He's on a filming "hiatus" because of an article in GQ and a video that has circulated.  I'll need to find the video and view it in its entirety and try to find out where GLAAD got involved.  I have found this:

"A&E Network has had to beef up security at its New York headquarters after receiving death threats and suspicious packages from people enraged about the network’s decision to suspend Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson."   -   Death threats?  Really?

and this:

“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.”   -   Purportedly, from the video.  If this proves to be what he said, there are a lot more insults there than would be needed to express one's disagreement with the gay lifestyle, IMO.


I'll see what I can find.  I really don't like discussing things about which I know little or nothing.  That's why I've kept my comments general up to now.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 11:06:50 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:00:26 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I can agree, MT.d However, I would add that just because a gay person resents being told he's committing some kind of dreadful sin doesn't mean he/she's wishing ill will on Christians, either.  The gay person is simply living their life, as is the Christian person.

Take it a step further...gays can't be fired just for being gay. But they sure as hell do their best to get other people fired who believe differently. That is the issue I have with this. If Phil Robertson had someone fired from his show just because they were gay, I would say he deserved to be fired. All he did was express an opinion. His opinion caused the gay community to demand he be penalized. How is that fair?

Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..  

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:38:33 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I can see I'm going to have to do some research on what happened here.  From what I can discern, Phil Robertson hasn't been fired.  He's on a filming "hiatus" because of an article in GQ and a video that has circulated.  I'll need to find the video and view it in its entirety and try to find out where GLAAD got involved.  I have found this:

"A&E Network has had to beef up security at its New York headquarters after receiving death threats and suspicious packages from people enraged about the network’s decision to suspend Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson."   -   Death threats?  Really?

and this:

“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.”   -   Purportedly, from the video.  If this proves to be what he said, there are a lot more insults there than would be needed to express one's disagreement with the gay lifestyle, IMO.


I'll see what I can find.  I really don't like discussing things about which I know little or nothing.  That's why I've kept my comments general up to now.

When was that video made? I ask that because scuttlebutt on the Internet says that Phil Robertson had lots of videos out there expressing his views long before A&E hired him. If they truly had an issue with him hey wouldn't have hired him. What they had an issue with is the backlash from the gay community, which makes no sense since they aren't suck dynasty's can base

I didn't do any research outside if the interview that caused the uproar. I have no problems wih anything he said in that specific interview and that was the interview that caused the backlash.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:39:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:06:50 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Take it a step further...gays can't be fired just for being gay. But they sure as hell do their best to get other people fired who believe differently. That is the issue I have with this. If Phil Robertson had someone fired from his show just because they were gay, I would say he deserved to be fired. All he did was express an opinion. His opinion caused the gay community to demand he be penalized. How is that fair?

Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..  

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States

Which means they have protection is some states. That is more than can be said for holding Christian views and values.

[frankq]

Dec 22, 2013 11:26:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:15:51 GMT -5 frankq said:

Wow.......Really? Could it possibly be a case of extremely poor people of BOTH colors making do with what they had back then because they were all in the same boat and that's how they all made a living?

White men were not lynched for flirting with white women.  Black men and boys were, Emmett Till for example.

I'm not saying that they were. I'm not commenting on the entire civil rights movement. We're talking about the comments based on life experiences of one man here, and apparently a white man that worked the fields side by side with his black counterparts. Phil Robertson didn't hurt Emmett Till and neither did any of the rest of us. As tragic as it was, it was 50 years ago and it's over and done. There have been terrible times for many ethnicities in America's history. How many European immigrants including Poles, Italians and Irish were worked to death in hazardous factories and mines, beaten and shot to death for trying to better their situation in the early 1900's at the start of the Industrial revolution?  What about how the Chinese were treated here in the mid 19th century? How about Japanese Americans that were sent to prison camps in this country at the start of WWII? You guys think that black people have a monopoly on being treated badly? Can you show me where our society has made a stronger attempt to make it right to any one group of people other than African Americans? Get over it.....

[frankq]

And I'm sure I can find many examples of white men killed by black men for no other reason than race in today's world.

In the '60s in Chicago, the reason was for being on the wrong side of Chicago Avenue after dark....Today, it could be for owning the wrong car...

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 11:45:07 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:39:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..  

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States

Which means they have protection is some states. That is more than can be said for holding Christian views and values.

Not though ìn the South, especially Robertson's Louisiana.  Just in those 'liberal' states.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 22, 2013 11:45:07 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:39:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..  

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States

Which means they have protection is some states. That is more than can be said for holding Christian views and values.

let me know when someone is fired for being Christian, or refused a cake or housing for it here in the US, and i will shed a few tears.

[Miss Tequila]

Dec 22, 2013 11:56:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:45:07 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Which means they have protection is some states. That is more than can be said for holding Christian views and values.

let me know when someone is fired for being Christian, or refused a cake or housing for it here in the US, and i will shed a few tears.

If Phil Robertson is fired it will be because he expressed his Christian views. It will be interesting to see how this owns out. Will A&E cave to pressure from the gay community and give up a lucrative show? Or will they cave to the actual fans of the show and reinstate Phil?

[frankq]

 

[billisonboard]

Dec 22, 2013 11:23:00 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

... So the country has to be open and excepting ...

Except for some people, a lot of people accept that ideal.

[frankq]

25 minutes ago Tennesseer said:
Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..

And that is Phil Robertson's fault?

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 11:42:37 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:38:33 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I can see I'm going to have to do some research on what happened here.  From what I can discern, Phil Robertson hasn't been fired.  He's on a filming "hiatus" because of an article in GQ and a video that has circulated.  I'll need to find the video and view it in its entirety and try to find out where GLAAD got involved.  I have found this:

"A&E Network has had to beef up security at its New York headquarters after receiving death threats and suspicious packages from people enraged about the network’s decision to suspend Duck Dynasty patriarch Phil Robertson."   -   Death threats?  Really?

and this:

“Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion,” Robertson said in the video. “They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant God haters. They are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil.”   -   Purportedly, from the video.  If this proves to be what he said, there are a lot more insults there than would be needed to express one's disagreement with the gay lifestyle, IMO.


I'll see what I can find.  I really don't like discussing things about which I know little or nothing.  That's why I've kept my comments general up to now.

When was that video made? I ask that because scuttlebutt on the Internet says that Phil Robertson had lots of videos out there expressing his views long before A&E hired him. If they truly had an issue with him hey wouldn't have hired him. What they had an issue with is the backlash from the gay community, which makes no sense since they aren't suck dynasty's can base

I didn't do any research outside if the interview that caused the uproar. I have no problems wih anything he said in that specific interview and that was the interview that caused the backlash.

The video was made in 2010 and the interview was based on that video (of a speech he made at a wild game supper in the Berean Baptist church in Pennsylvania).  Since the contents of the video (which was uncovered by GQ) were the subject of the interview, the video becomes very relevant, IMO.  It's quite long and I don't have time to finish it now, but I'll watch it all before I comment further.  I want to know what the man actually said, not what someone else says he said.    

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 11:45:07 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:39:20 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..  

LGBT employment discrimination in the United States

Which means they have protection is some states. That is more than can be said for holding Christian views and values.

I've known of people who were fired for being gay.  I've never known of anyone who was fired for holding Christian views and values.  Have you?

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:56:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

let me know when someone is fired for being Christian, or refused a cake or housing for it here in the US, and i will shed a few tears.

If Phil Robertson is fired it will be because he expressed his Christian views. It will be interesting to see how this owns out. Will A&E cave to pressure from the gay community and give up a lucrative show? Or will they cave to the actual fans of the show and reinstate Phil?

Not because he ìs Christian but some very poor choices of his words.  Just like this woman:

PR exec Justine Sacco tweets racist joke on flight to Africa

She is free to 'tweet' what ever she wants.  But sometimes, words have consequences.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 22, 2013 12:05:16 GMT -5 frankq said:

25 minutes ago Tennesseer said:
Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..

And that is Phil Robertson's fault?

No.  Miss Tequila stated gays cannot be fired for being gay in our country.  I pointed out otherwise.

Try to pay attention to the conversation.

[frankq]

This is why some of us are sick of this bullshit......

Danny LeClair and Aubrey Loots have always done things with panache, since the first time they met on a dance floor fogged up with dry ice.

“I couldn’t see my hand in front of my face,” Leclair, 45, recalled. Loots laughed: “By the time the smoke parted, we were facing each other.”

When the opportunity came to recognize their 12-year-relationship in front of millions of people, the two naturally went for it. On New Year’s Day, Leclair and Loots will get married atop a 15-foot-high, cake-shaped float in the 125th Tournament of Roses Parade.

A live gay wedding is a departure for the Pasadena parade, which is best known for ornate floats, the blare of marching bands and the teenage Rose Queen and her Royal Court. But Larry Wilson, whose grandfather and uncle were presidents of the Tournament of Roses, said it demonstrates how mainstream gay marriage has become.
- See more at: www.aidshealth.org/archives/17586#sthash.xa6g32T7.dpuf

Maybe we're just getting tired of having the gay community rubbing their genitals in our faces.

Leclair and Loots are so excited they’ve set up a Facebook page for their upcoming nuptials, for which they only have to buy suits. The AIDS Healthcare Foundation is doubling as wedding planner, and taking care of everything else. - See more at: www.aidshealth.org/archives/17586#sthash.xa6g32T7.dpuf

Wow... the AIDS foundation is taking care of it for them. Great.....

[djAdvocate]

Dec 22, 2013 11:58:28 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Dec 22, 2013 11:56:44 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

let me know when someone is fired for being Christian, or refused a cake or housing for it here in the US, and i will shed a few tears.

If Phil Robertson is fired it will be because he expressed his Christian views.

really?  i am a Christian, and i don't share his views.  i don't know of anything in scripture that makes the comparison he made, either.

It will be interesting to see how this owns out. Will A&E cave to pressure from the gay community and give up a lucrative show? Or will they cave to the actual fans of the show and reinstate Phil?

hard to say.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 22, 2013 12:05:16 GMT -5 frankq said:

25 minutes ago Tennesseer said:
Gays can be fired ìn many states for simply being gay..

And that is Phil Robertson's fault?

nope.  but like them, he is not part of a protected class.  that should provide him with some natural sympathy, if he has any.

[mmhmm]

Dec 22, 2013 12:11:23 GMT -5 frankq said:

This is why some of us are sick of this bullshit......

Danny LeClair and Aubrey Loots have always done things with panache, since the first time they met on a dance floor fogged up with dry ice.

“I couldn’t see my hand in front of my face,” Leclair, 45, recalled. Loots laughed: “By the time the smoke parted, we were facing each other.”

When the opportunity came to recognize their 12-year-relationship in front of millions of people, the two naturally went for it. On New Year’s Day, Leclair and Loots will get married atop a 15-foot-high, cake-shaped float in the 125th Tournament of Roses Parade.

A live gay wedding is a departure for the Pasadena parade, which is best known for ornate floats, the blare of marching bands and the teenage Rose Queen and her Royal Court. But Larry Wilson, whose grandfather and uncle were presidents of the Tournament of Roses, said it demonstrates how mainstream gay marriage has become.
- See more at: www.aidshealth.org/archives/17586#sthash.xa6g32T7.dpuf

Maybe we're just getting tired of having the gay community rubbing their genitals in our faces.

I haven't experienced having the gay community rubbing their genitals in my face.

[djAdvocate]

Dec 22, 2013 12:11:23 GMT -5 frankq said:

This is why some of us are sick of this bullshit......

Danny LeClair and Aubrey Loots have always done things with panache, since the first time they met on a dance floor fogged up with dry ice.

“I couldn’t see my hand in front of my face,” Leclair, 45, recalled. Loots laughed: “By the time the smoke parted, we were facing each other.”

When the opportunity came to recognize their 12-year-relationship in front of millions of people, the two naturally went for it. On New Year’s Day, Leclair and Loots will get married atop a 15-foot-high, cake-shaped float in the 125th Tournament of Roses Parade.

A live gay wedding is a departure for the Pasadena parade, which is best known for ornate floats, the blare of marching bands and the teenage Rose Queen and her Royal Court. But Larry Wilson, whose grandfather and uncle were presidents of the Tournament of Roses, said it demonstrates how mainstream gay marriage has become.
- See more at: www.aidshealth.org/archives/17586#sthash.xa6g32T7.dpuf

Maybe we're just getting tired of having the gay community rubbing their genitals in our faces.

was the cake shaped like a giant penis?