Family Says They DID Tip Gay Waitress and Didn't Leave Note.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 10:50:27 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Nov 26, 2013 10:43:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Bank statements can be altered. I would like a disinterested third party (an expert in fraud) look at the bank statement.

It is not hard to alter documents. And you know Visa won't get involved in this.

I would like to get everyone involved drunk and turn this into a literal pissing contest.

Lots and lots of beer for a pissing contest.

[sesfw]

Seeing as how no one knew who the customers were all they had to do is keep quiet about the everything and let the waitress do her thing.

Instead they got tired of all of it and brought forth their receipt and CC statement denying the waitresses charges.

All that has to be done is get another copy of the CC statement from Visa.  With all this publicity it should be fairly easy.

To me this sounds like a copy-cat situation like it was a couple of weeks ago with another waitperson not getting a tip but a note instead.  But the first waitperson didn't start a donation site.

I tend to believe the customer in this instance.

[Green Eyed Lady]

Of course,  there are still ignorant people out there who hate people different than they are.  That is always going to be the case.  However, if this side of the story is true, Danya didn't do much to help anything.  IF this side of the story is true, Danya is the one who is the "hater".

I think, if I remember correctly, when Shooby mentioned in the original thread that she would like to hear the other side of the story before rushing to judgment, she got treated as if she had asked to hear Hitler's side of the story of the Holocaust.  Perhaps, that's why she put this out there and perhaps that's why she's a bit eager to present it. 

Nobody hesitated to "rush to judgment" when the first article was posted.  How come everybody is supposed to put the brakes on now?

The right thing to do would for those who did to say, "Hey.  Perhaps I judged a bit prematurely.  I should have waited a bit to hear all sides. I'll wait a bit longer till this all plays out. "  That's what I would do instead of bitching at Shooby.  But that's just me.

[Opti]

I'm unsure in this case. To me there are at least three possibilities I can think
of and there might be more. One, Danya did falsify it as the couple alleges,
Two, the couple really did do it but after the outcry changed the amount
charged to their card and came forward after official "proof" could be used
to show they were wronged, Three, whoever told the couple Dan was
Danya's name knew she'd be upset and forged the receipt like the Kansas
one.


Her statement is not going to be with Visa, it will be from a bank.
It occurs to me a $111.55 withdrawal by itself from their bank could
be legit if they used their Visa bank debit card as a credit card.

The bank would have to be the verifier. On the donation site, it is
possible the Kansas incident had been discussed by the waitstaff
prior to this incident. I believe the restaurant set up the website not
Danya, so unproven this is a money grab. Again, more information in needed.
IMO no accurate conclusions can be drawn at this time.

[Value Buy]

Nov 26, 2013 10:09:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 26, 2013 10:07:59 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

They say they have the matching Visa charge for $111.55.

And I can say I am the rightful heir to the French throne.

I am not quite as sure about the "5'" as you are Tenn.
The second five as in five cents looks different from the first.
I am left handed, and looking at the signature of the customer on the merchant copy, it looks more of a signature of someone that is right handed. Lefties for the most part have a hard time signing a signature looking like a right handed person wrote it
My concern is the merchant copy with a line drawn thru it on the tip line, does not look like an amount was whited or bleached out, and a customer has to leave the tip amount.
The husband stated his wife does not write like the note on copy due to being left handed. I wonder who signed for the bill.
Him, or her.
I wonder if the restaurant ran it thru with a tip added on, which I assume would be illegal.
And I would take the visa statement as proof the tip was there.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 11:05:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 26, 2013 10:09:43 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And I can say I am the rightful heir to the French throne.

I am not quite as sure about the "5'" as you are Tenn.
The second five as in five cents looks different from the first.
I am left handed, and looking at the signature of the customer on the merchant copy, it looks more of a signature of someone that is right handed. Lefties for the most part have a hard time signing a signature looking like a right handed person wrote it
My concern is the merchant copy with a line drawn thru it on the tip line, does not look like an amount was whited or bleached out, and a customer has to leave the tip amount.
The husband stated his wife does not write like the note on copy due to being left handed. I wonder who signed for the bill.
Him, or her.
I wonder if the restaurant ran it thru with a tip added on, which I assume would be illegal.
And I would take the visa statement as proof the tip was there.

I am left handed too and I do see similarities ìn the 5s.

Where are the 'Whiteout' marks on the restaurant copy?  The customer signature ìs on that copy and they have said nothing about a forged signature.  So that rules out printing a second copy of the ticket (after the family left) and eliminating the tip andxadding a message.

[Value Buy]

If it was a fraud on the part of the wait staff, what are the odds this couple would actually see this on television, or read about the incident and realize they were the  victims or possibly the perps?

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If it was a fraud on the part of the wait staff, what are the odds this couple would actually see this on television, or read about the incident and realize they were the  victims or possibly the perps?

Restaurant fraud would be changing the tip to $100!

[Value Buy]

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 26, 2013 11:05:08 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I am not quite as sure about the "5'" as you are Tenn.
The second five as in five cents looks different from the first.
I am left handed, and looking at the signature of the customer on the merchant copy, it looks more of a signature of someone that is right handed. Lefties for the most part have a hard time signing a signature looking like a right handed person wrote it
My concern is the merchant copy with a line drawn thru it on the tip line, does not look like an amount was whited or bleached out, and a customer has to leave the tip amount.
The husband stated his wife does not write like the note on copy due to being left handed. I wonder who signed for the bill.
Him, or her.
I wonder if the restaurant ran it thru with a tip added on, which I assume would be illegal.
And I would take the visa statement as proof the tip was there.

I am left handed too and I do see similarities ìn the 5s.

Where are the 'Whiteout' marks on the restaurant copy?  The customer signature ìs on that copy.

That is just the problem, the restaurant original does not look altered or bleached. Just a line thru the tip line.
That is the one that HAS TO HAVE THE TIP shown on it so the correct amount is charged. Just because the customer shows a receipt with the tip of $18.00 does not mean the restaurant copy would have the same amount, if you are fighting this situation in public.
They could have written the $18 in the line before going public, but the visa statement pretty much guarentees the original showed the tip too.
Unless the establishment just decide to add the tip illegally......
People just put it on their copy to double check what is actually charged.
At least we do.

[justme]

Her statement is not going to be with Visa, it will be from a bank.
It occurs to me a $111.55 withdrawal by itself from their bank could
be legit if they used their Visa bank debit card as a credit card.

How do you know they used a debit card and not a credit card? The statement they show in the news report looks similar to the e-statements I get for my credit cards.

Granted - they could have altered the whole thing. But right now with no evidence on either side the "original" receipt is just as plausibly faked as the cc statement is. Also, has anyone seen the original receipt with the note or is it just a picture of it? If the couple could have easily altered their stuff, at the moment you have to assume the same about the other party.

[justme]

Nov 26, 2013 11:16:10 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I am left handed too and I do see similarities ìn the 5s.

Where are the 'Whiteout' marks on the restaurant copy?  The customer signature ìs on that copy.

That is just the problem, the restaurant original does not look altered or bleached. Just a line thru the tip line.
That is the one that HAS TO HAVE THE TIP shown on it so the correct amount is charged. Just because the customer shows a receipt with the tip of $18.00 does not mean the restaurant copy would have the same amount, if you are fighting this situation in public.
They could have written the $18 in the line before going public, but the visa statement pretty much guarentees the original showed the tip too.
Unless the establishment just decide to add the tip illegally......
People just put it on their copy to double check what is actually charged.
At least we do.

Uhh..unless someone has the receipt in hand - it's just a picture of the receipt. Which leaves the option of photoshopping out/in what you want or putting white paper over the areas you want to erase, photocopying it (which makes the change almost imperceptible to someone not trained to detect it) and then writing in the amount shown. All options the couple could have done with their Visa bill, though it's not hand written so they'd have to find the same font type to alter the amount on the statement.

[Angel!]

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If it was a fraud on the part of the wait staff, what are the odds this couple would actually see this on television, or read about the incident and realize they were the  victims or possibly the perps?

I was honestly thinking that.  If the waitress printed a duplicate receipt of a meal of mine & put the wording & lack of tip/signature on it (or alternatively altered the receipt with this), then how the hell would I ever even find out?  I understand it is a news story, but I would never even think that might be my receipt or even check.  I would know I didn't leave a note & therefore assume it wasn't my receipt & not give it another thought.

And this wording is just weird:

provided what they said was a credit card statement

Right now I honestly don't believe either side & don't really care either.  The restuarant either needs to produce the original receipt or the couple needs to provide an actual credit card statement.  Neither side has provided anything that really proves them correct.

[Value Buy]

Nov 26, 2013 11:22:34 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:50 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

If it was a fraud on the part of the wait staff, what are the odds this couple would actually see this on television, or read about the incident and realize they were the  victims or possibly the perps?

I was honestly thinking that.  If the waitress printed a duplicate receipt of a meal of mine & put the wording & lack of tip/signature on it (or alternatively altered the receipt with this), then how the hell would I ever even find out?  I understand it is a news story, but I would never even think that might be my receipt or even check.  I would know I didn't leave a note & therefore assume it wasn't my receipt & not give it another thought.

And this wording is just weird:

provided what they said was a credit card statement

Right now I honestly don't believe either side & don't really care either.  The restuarant either needs to produce the original receipt or the couple needs to provide an actual credit card statement.  Neither side has provided anything that really proves them correct.

Totally spaced out the duplicate receipt scenario.
The plot thickens.
Just like old gravy.

[Angel!]

Nov 26, 2013 11:16:10 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 26, 2013 11:10:30 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I am left handed too and I do see similarities ìn the 5s.

Where are the 'Whiteout' marks on the restaurant copy?  The customer signature ìs on that copy.

That is just the problem, the restaurant original does not look altered or bleached. Just a line thru the tip line.
That is the one that HAS TO HAVE THE TIP shown on it so the correct amount is charged. Just because the customer shows a receipt with the tip of $18.00 does not mean the restaurant copy would have the same amount, if you are fighting this situation in public.
They could have written the $18 in the line before going public, but the visa statement pretty much guarentees the original showed the tip too.
Unless the establishment just decide to add the tip illegally......
People just put it on their copy to double check what is actually charged.
At least we do.

But we don't know if that is the restaurant original. The restaurant has not provided the receipt. We have a picture of a receipt that easily could have been altered. Or the waitress could have easily printed a duplicate & wrote whatever she wanted on it & never submitted it as the actual receipt.

[justme]

I was honestly thinking that. If the waitress printed a duplicate receipt of a meal of mine & put the wording & lack of tip/signature on it (or alternatively altered the receipt with this), then how the hell would I ever even find out? I understand it is a news story, but I would never even think that might be my receipt or even check. I would know I didn't leave a note & therefore assume it wasn't my receipt & not give it another thought.

If I had eaten at a restaurant the same night this happened and the news story exploded, I'd probably have enough curiosity to check out the story since I was there. And then you see/read the story and "holy crap that's my signature!" and it all goes from there. Assuming it's one of their signatures, I could see them realizing it was their receipt.

[Angel!]

Nov 26, 2013 11:25:42 GMT -5 justme said:

I was honestly thinking that. If the waitress printed a duplicate receipt of a meal of mine & put the wording & lack of tip/signature on it (or alternatively altered the receipt with this), then how the hell would I ever even find out? I understand it is a news story, but I would never even think that might be my receipt or even check. I would know I didn't leave a note & therefore assume it wasn't my receipt & not give it another thought.

If I had eaten at a restaurant the same night this happened and the news story exploded, I'd probably have enough curiosity to check out the story since I was there. And then you see/read the story and "holy crap that's my signature!" and it all goes from there. Assuming it's one of their signatures, I could see them realizing it was their receipt.

True, but that person would have to pay much better attention to the news than I do.  Until just now I had no idea where or when this incident occured, so I would have missed it.  I could see how others might catch it though.

[justme]

Nov 26, 2013 11:39:21 GMT -5 Angel! said:

Nov 26, 2013 11:25:42 GMT -5 justme said:

If I had eaten at a restaurant the same night this happened and the news story exploded, I'd probably have enough curiosity to check out the story since I was there. And then you see/read the story and "holy crap that's my signature!" and it all goes from there. Assuming it's one of their signatures, I could see them realizing it was their receipt.

True, but that person would have to pay much better attention to the news than I do.  Until just now I had no idea where or when this incident occured, so I would have missed it.  I could see how others might catch it though.

Yeah, it all depends. My parents tend to watch the news and listen to talk radio so they know all this stuff is going on. I very rarely do...they even called me while they were in vacation to ask if I knew about the tropical storm coming a while back - I didn't since I hadn't turned on local news in a while.

[Miss Tequila]

Why can't the restaurant prove what was actually billed to the customer? Based on the article Shooby posted, the restaurant said it can't explain why the charges included the tip....they never denied charging the customer the tip

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 12:20:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Why can't the restaurant prove what was actually billed to the customer? Based on the article Shooby posted, the restaurant said it can't explain why the charges included the tip....they never denied charging the customer the tip

In New Jersey, waiters depend on tips because the hourly minimum wage for them is $2.13 instead of $7.25. Lapolla said the restaurant later discounted an entree from the family's check so that Morales could earn a tip anyway.

amily that stiffed waitress over lifestyle can return

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That slip is weird, both versions. When I pay with my CC the whole amount is entered into the machine, I don't hand write any of it on the slip after the transaction has been processed. How would they get their money if it hadn't been processed?


ETA - Was it the restaurant in a hotel they were staying at?

[the flying reindeer]

Personally, I think we need more information about who did what to whom.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 13:03:37 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That slip is weird, both versions. When I pay with my CC the whole amount is entered into the machine, I don't hand write any of it on the slip after the transaction has been processed. How would they get their money if it hadn't been processed?


ETA - Was it the restaurant in a hotel they were staying at?

I would ìmagine the charge card checks are reviewed at the end of the night for tip amounts?  I have not worked in a restaurant so not sure.

Restaurant is a stand-alone facility.  Picture here:

Waitress denied £10 tip and given rude note for being gay – internet responds in spectacular fashion

[Angel!]

Nov 26, 2013 13:03:37 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That slip is weird, both versions. When I pay with my CC the whole amount is entered into the machine, I don't hand write any of it on the slip after the transaction has been processed. How would they get their money if it hadn't been processed?


ETA - Was it the restaurant in a hotel they were staying at?

That slip is how they always look here.  They run the card & you fill out the slip.  Later somehow they reprocess it with the machine & run the final amount.

It looks like based on Miss T's article that the restaurant is indeed claiming that there was no tip.  Sounds like they know the family well also if they could recognize them & not sit them with the same waitress.

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Or the couple who dined and left the note on the receipt in the first place, could also be trying to back-pedal now that this has gone viral/global and people are expressing their outrage about what happened.

[justme]

Nov 26, 2013 13:03:37 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

That slip is weird, both versions. When I pay with my CC the whole amount is entered into the machine, I don't hand write any of it on the slip after the transaction has been processed. How would they get their money if it hadn't been processed?


ETA - Was it the restaurant in a hotel they were staying at?

Canada is different. I've only been to one or two restaurants in the states that bring the portable credit card readers to the table for the customers to use. They still scan your cc, come back with a receipt with a spot to leave a tip, you write it in and sign it and then at some point later they go in and put the correct amount to be charged for the cc.

[justme]

Nov 26, 2013 12:53:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 26, 2013 12:20:56 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

Why can't the restaurant prove what was actually billed to the customer? Based on the article Shooby posted, the restaurant said it can't explain why the charges included the tip....they never denied charging the customer the tip

In New Jersey, waiters depend on tips because the hourly minimum wage for them is $2.13 instead of $7.25. Lapolla said the restaurant later discounted an entree from the family's check so that Morales could earn a tip anyway.

amily that stiffed waitress over lifestyle can return

But if they did that, then the family's Visa should only have the 93.55 amount charged to it, not what they're showing.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 26, 2013 14:27:47 GMT -5 justme said:

Nov 26, 2013 12:53:46 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

amily that stiffed waitress over lifestyle can return

But if they did that, then the family's Visa should only have the 93.55 amount charged to it, not what they're showing.

How do we know this?  Because they said so?  Altered check and Visa bank statement by them is not possible?

the restaurant check says $93.55 and restaurant states that is what was charged.

[justme]

Nov 26, 2013 14:34:53 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 26, 2013 14:27:47 GMT -5 justme said:

But if they did that, then the family's Visa should only have the 93.55 amount charged to it, not what they're showing.

How do we know this?  Because they said so?  Altered check and Visa bank statement by them is not possible?

the restaurant check says $93.55 and restaurant states that is what was charged.

How do we know it's the other way? Because the restaurant said so? Each side essentially has the same amount of proof on their side.

BTW - the article you linked and the others I've read made no mention of the restaurant verifying they only charged the card $93.55. All I saw was the restaurant was opening an internal investigation - which to me says they do not have in their hot little hands proof that they only charged the family the $93.55.

[Green Eyed Lady]

That's my feeling, too, just.  Now that the restaurant appears to have been informed that there is another "side" to this issue, you'd think they would come forward waving the receipt like a flag of victory. 

I don't want either side of the story to be true.  I don't want to think anybody would write something so hateful and I don't want to think anybody would make up something so disgusting.  Unfortunately, one of them is telling the truth.

[Jaguar]

Nov 26, 2013 14:46:26 GMT -5 Green Eyed Lady said:

That's my feeling, too, just.  Now that the restaurant appears to have been informed that there is another "side" to this issue, you'd think they would come forward waving the receipt like a flag of victory. 

I don't want either side of the story to be true.  I don't want to think anybody would write something so hateful and I don't want to think anybody would make up something so disgusting.  Unfortunately, one of them is telling the truth.

Or neither side is telling the truth.