Should/Would YOU choose God over your family if necessary?

[chiver78]

Nov 13, 2013 9:30:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:23:51 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

One thing that has always confused me, how did homosexuality make the list of sins in the first place? Most sins I understand, lying, killing, stealing...I get why they are a problem. What is the logic with homosexuality? I'm asking believers here, I really want to know.

  Sex is a gift from God given for the confines of marriage and procreation.  If you want to read more, read the Bible.  The Bible clearly speaks of homosexual practices as sin.  Why?  You will have to ask God.  He made the rules.

so are all the heterosexual couples who are incapable of conceiving expected to remain celibate for their whole lives?

I'm sorry, but I just cannot wrap my brain around this particular "reason" to explain why homosexuality is a sin.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 13, 2013 9:23:51 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

One thing that has always confused me, how did homosexuality make the list of sins in the first place? Most sins I understand, lying, killing, stealing...I get why they are a problem. What is the logic with homosexuality? I'm asking believers here, I really want to know.

You will have to wait until you reach the afterlife to know the answer to your question.  The Leviticus guys will tell you then.

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 9:33:00 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:31:29 GMT -5 sarcasticgirl said:

thanks again for not actually answering my question. NO worries... no one else with your stance will either.

Who are you talking to?

sorry, i hit quote but it didn't work. i was talking to cranberry. I got scriptures that had nothing to do with the question i asked of her, and no answer to my question. 

[busymom]

Well, I can give you my Pastor's opinion on homosexuality, although I haven't found anything from the Bible to back this up:

   He describes homosexuality as a "selfish" kind of love.  You look in the mirror, & think you are such a perfect specimen, that you could never love anyone who looks different than you do.  You believe you can only love someone who looks just like you.  So, you "reject" the opposite gender, & just seek someone who looks like you.  (Now remember, this is HIS opinion...)

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 9:30:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:23:51 GMT -5 @justaposter said:

One thing that has always confused me, how did homosexuality make the list of sins in the first place? Most sins I understand, lying, killing, stealing...I get why they are a problem. What is the logic with homosexuality? I'm asking believers here, I really want to know.

  Sex is a gift from God given for the confines of marriage and procreation.  If you want to read more, read the Bible.  The Bible clearly speaks of homosexual practices as sin.  Why?  You will have to ask God.  He made the rules.

So if i never plan to procreate i shouldn't be doing the business with my hubs?

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Nov 13, 2013 9:37:54 GMT -5 busymom said:

Well, I can give you my Pastor's opinion on homosexuality, although I haven't found anything from the Bible to back this up:

   He describes homosexuality as a "selfish" kind of love.  You look in the mirror, & think you are such a perfect specimen, that you could never love anyone who looks different than you do.  You believe you can only love someone who looks just like you.  So, you "reject" the opposite gender, & just seek someone who looks like you.  (Now remember, this is HIS opinion...)

[mmhmm]

Nov 13, 2013 9:37:54 GMT -5 busymom said:

Well, I can give you my Pastor's opinion on homosexuality, although I haven't found anything from the Bible to back this up:

   He describes homosexuality as a "selfish" kind of love.  You look in the mirror, & think you are such a perfect specimen, that you could never love anyone who looks different than you do.  You believe you can only love someone who looks just like you.  So, you "reject" the opposite gender, & just seek someone who looks like you.  (Now remember, this is HIS opinion...)

But, the little, skinny, dark-haired guy and the big, fat, red-haired guy ...?

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[busymom]

Yeah, I know.  I've noticed with homosexual couples that opposites attract.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 13, 2013 9:37:54 GMT -5 busymom said:

Well, I can give you my Pastor's oppersonon homosexuality, although I haven't found anything from the Bible to back this up:

   He describes homosexuality as a "selfish" kind of love.  You look in the mirror, & think you are such a perfect specimen, that you could never love anyone who looks different than you do.  You believe you can only love someone who looks just like you.  So, you "reject" the opposite gender, & just seek someone who looks like you.  (Now remember, this is HIS opinion...)

What does the pastor have to say about people who marry other people who look like/have the same personalities of their father or mother?

Now that creeps me out.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 13, 2013 9:38:52 GMT -5 sarcasticgirl said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:30:20 GMT -5 Shooby said:

  Sex is a gift from God given for the confines of marriage and procreation.  If you want to read more, read the Bible.  The Bible clearly speaks of homosexual practices as sin.  Why?  You will have to ask God.  He made the rules.

So if i never plan to procreate i shouldn't be doing the business with my hubs?

Correct.

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 6:03:42 GMT -5 cranberry49 said:

Nov 12, 2013 22:29:49 GMT -5 sarcasticgirl said:

Romans 1:26-28
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Romans 1:32 
Though they know God's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them

 

First of all this is a translation and the verbage is different depending on what you read. Many theologians translate the hebrew to literally mean prostitution and not homosexuality. Couldn't a shamless act between a man and a man just being promiscuity. Could it be the act is shameless because it is not in wedlock and not because it is another man? 

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1) god may have spoken to mankind, but mankind wrote the bible and is fallible 
2) after numerous translations no one knows what was the original verbiage 
3) people can't even get "they're, there, and their" correct. It stands to reason not everything in the bible is correct either! 

[vonna]

<sigh>

When I first "came out" as an atheist, I used to love to engage in these type of discussions.  In most cases, I feel like I can understand/empathize other's (religious) points of view.

But when religion becomes an excuse for hate and discrimination, I find I can no longer perform the mental gymnastics to not be VERY judgmental.

[sarcasticgirl]

I firmly believe that if people put as much effort into helping others as they do into judging others and classifying their sins this world would be a better place.

There are so many bible verses regarding giving to the poor and feeding the hungry and giving of yourself and how to not do so is a sin... yet there are only a few that can be pointed to as regarding homosexuality. I'm not theologian but that makes me believe that loving, giving and helping is something that should be part of our daily lives and is way more important that trying to partially cut out someone who is gay. 

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sarcasticgirl I agree. I believe the Gospels are intended to teach us how to live in a way that we would be happiest with the emphasis on checking our own behaviour not others.

Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

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Alright! We have ourselves a real live scripture-off!

Last man or woman still quoting scripture after everyone else gets frustrated and leaves wins a lifetime of eternal bliss.

[swamp]

Nov 13, 2013 9:37:54 GMT -5 busymom said:

Well, I can give you my Pastor's opinion on homosexuality, although I haven't found anything from the Bible to back this up:

   He describes homosexuality as a "selfish" kind of love.  You look in the mirror, & think you are such a perfect specimen, that you could never love anyone who looks different than you do.  You believe you can only love someone who looks just like you.  So, you "reject" the opposite gender, & just seek someone who looks like you.  (Now remember, this is HIS opinion...)

so then I guess interracial homosexuality is OK, no?

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Nov 13, 2013 11:08:51 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Alright! We have ourselves a real live scripture-off!

Land man or woman still quoting scripture after everyone else gets frustrated and leaves wins a lifetime of eternal bliss.

You don't change a scripture believers mind by telling them scripture is not the word of God. You show them where scripture agrees with you. And you can always find at least one. I like the bible but we have to bring our own discernment to it. I mostly like the gospels, Jesus's teachings before Paul chews them up.

[cranberry49]

WOW! No matter what scripture I show you all, you will still have a story ready to disagree with it! I even showed scriptures that proved what you thought was wrong *such as no NT scripture against being gay*, and scriptures that says *one can get a divorce*, and still you don't believe it! If the bible itself can't convince you, then nothing I could ever say will. 

I didn't come here to convert any of you; but I really thought if one believed in the bible that they would be open-minded and interested in what the bible itself says versus any religion. And hopefully to get you to understand why sometimes people do what they do when it comes to family versus their religious values. But, it's not what God says that anyone cares about. It's what you want and what you think it should be. I guess there's nothing more I can add to this discussion then; because, it matters not what I think or believe to be so..all I can do is show someone what the scriptures have to say on a subject; which no one cares about anyway.  

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Nov 13, 2013 11:32:52 GMT -5 cranberry49 said:

WOW! No matter what scripture I show you all, you will still have a story ready to disagree with it! I even showed scriptures that proved what you thought was wrong *such as no NT scripture against being gay*, and scriptures that says *one can get a divorce*, and still you don't believe it! If the bible itself can't convince you, then nothing I could ever say will. 

I didn't come here to convert any of you; but I really thought if one believed in the bible that they would be open-minded and interested in what the bible itself says versus any religion. And hopefully to get you to understand why sometimes people do what they do when it comes to family versus their religious values. But, it's not what God says that anyone cares about. It's what you want and what you think it should be. I guess there's nothing more I can add to this discussion then; because, it matters not what I think or believe to be so..all I can do is show someone what the scriptures have to say on a subject; which no one cares about anyway.  

Cranberry, I think the problem is there is a very small percentage of people that take the Bible literally, word for word.

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Nov 13, 2013 11:39:03 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Nov 13, 2013 11:32:52 GMT -5 cranberry49 said:

WOW! No matter what scripture I show you all, you will still have a story ready to disagree with it! I even showed scriptures that proved what you thought was wrong *such as no NT scripture against being gay*, and scriptures that says *one can get a divorce*, and still you don't believe it! If the bible itself can't convince you, then nothing I could ever say will. 

I didn't come here to convert any of you; but I really thought if one believed in the bible that they would be open-minded and interested in what the bible itself says versus any religion. And hopefully to get you to understand why sometimes people do what they do when it comes to family versus their religious values. But, it's not what God says that anyone cares about. It's what you want and what you think it should be. I guess there's nothing more I can add to this discussion then; because, it matters not what I think or believe to be so..all I can do is show someone what the scriptures have to say on a subject; which no one cares about anyway.  

Cranberry, I think the problem is there is a very small percentage of people that take the Bible literally, word for word.

Hmm.. maybe that is not true.  I just googled and there was a 2011 Gallup poll that found that 30% of people take the Bible literally.  That is much, much, much higher than I thought,

[swamp]

Nov 13, 2013 11:39:03 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Nov 13, 2013 11:32:52 GMT -5 cranberry49 said:

WOW! No matter what scripture I show you all, you will still have a story ready to disagree with it! I even showed scriptures that proved what you thought was wrong *such as no NT scripture against being gay*, and scriptures that says *one can get a divorce*, and still you don't believe it! If the bible itself can't convince you, then nothing I could ever say will. 

I didn't come here to convert any of you; but I really thought if one believed in the bible that they would be open-minded and interested in what the bible itself says versus any religion. And hopefully to get you to understand why sometimes people do what they do when it comes to family versus their religious values. But, it's not what God says that anyone cares about. It's what you want and what you think it should be. I guess there's nothing more I can add to this discussion then; because, it matters not what I think or believe to be so..all I can do is show someone what the scriptures have to say on a subject; which no one cares about anyway.  

Cranberry, I think the problem is there is a very small percentage of people that take the Bible literally, word for word.

To me, the Bible is like Aesop's fables.  Great stories with a moral and written by a man/men with a lesson to share.  

[swamp]

Nov 13, 2013 9:45:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:38:52 GMT -5 sarcasticgirl said:

So if i never plan to procreate i shouldn't be doing the business with my hubs?

Correct.

My husband is going to be very, very disappointed.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 13, 2013 11:42:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:45:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Correct.

My husband is going to be very, very disappointed.

Pray. Often.

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 11:32:52 GMT -5 cranberry49 said:

WOW! No matter what scripture I show you all, you will still have a story ready to disagree with it! I even showed scriptures that proved what you thought was wrong *such as no NT scripture against being gay*, and scriptures that says *one can get a divorce*, and still you don't believe it! If the bible itself can't convince you, then nothing I could ever say will. 

I didn't come here to convert any of you; but I really thought if one believed in the bible that they would be open-minded and interested in what the bible itself says versus any religion. And hopefully to get you to understand why sometimes people do what they do when it comes to family versus their religious values. But, it's not what God says that anyone cares about. It's what you want and what you think it should be. I guess there's nothing more I can add to this discussion then; because, it matters not what I think or believe to be so..all I can do is show someone what the scriptures have to say on a subject; which no one cares about anyway.  

Who said no one can divorce? I missed that.


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The bible is open to interpretation. You interpret "lying down with women" as intercourse and I interpret it as spooning.



We will never know for sure what those people 2000 year ago were trying to say or even if what we're reading is even CLOSE to the words they put down. I chose to keep that in mind whenever references to the bible are made. 

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 11:42:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 13, 2013 9:45:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Correct.

My husband is going to be very, very disappointed.

my husband won't. He's been out of town sin friday and I am jumping his bones when he gets home and I plan to never birth a child. And if that is a sin, so be it. I also made a charitable donation today so it balances out.

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Nov 13, 2013 11:56:56 GMT -5 sarcasticgirl said:

Nov 13, 2013 11:42:49 GMT -5 swamp said:

My husband is going to be very, very disappointed.

my husband won't. He's been out of town sin friday and I am jumping his bones when he gets home and I plan to never birth a child. And if that is a sin, so be it. I also made a charitable donation today so it balances out.

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As long as you proclaim your love of God by shouting his name loudly during the act of welcoming your husband home, all is forgiven.

[sarcasticgirl]

Nov 13, 2013 11:56:33 GMT -5 @beerwench said:

The bible is open to interpretation. You interpret "lying down with women" as intercourse and I interpret it as spooning.



We will never know for sure what those people 2000 year ago were trying to say or even if what we're reading is even CLOSE to the words they put down. I chose to keep that in mind whenever references to the bible are made. 

Never mind that none of us are actually reading the bible. We are reading different translations of translations of what someone wrote.

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