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Post by kittensaver on Oct 23, 2013 13:52:52 GMT -5
What exactly are the terms of the grandfather's funding? I am assuming he is deceased and this was left as a trust? It was just an account (for each grandchild) with various investments left in H's name and the child's name to pay for the grandchild's college. Not a trust. There were no terms. Sound like an excellent time to set some up! She either uses it responsibly or she takes it and blows it. And if she blows it - there is no more. Problem is: all her life she's seen that boundary ("there is no more - you're done/cut off") blown away (by guilt, lack of clarity, non-communication/lack of agreement, her/her mom's ability to weasel around it, etc), so she probably won't believe that it will happen. And when it does, she will refuse to believe that's it's true/real and will re-double her efforts to get everyone to dance to her tune. Bowing to a temper tantrum is how tyrants are made. It will be very ugly. Honeybbq - you have my sympathies!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 13:55:40 GMT -5
kittensaver - tyrant. That's a perfect descriptor. I mean... I feel badly for her. I really do. I want to do the right thing for her by encouraging H to do the right thing. But there is really no win/win here. There's only ugly/ugly.
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Post by kittensaver on Oct 23, 2013 14:03:09 GMT -5
kittensaver - tyrant. That's a perfect descriptor. I mean... I feel badly for her. I really do. I want to do the right thing for her by encouraging H to do the right thing. But there is really no win/win here. There's only ugly/ugly. In a strange way - I feel badly for her too. I spent this past weekend with family in a different part of the country. I spent time with one cousin I haven't seen in probably 30 years. She is the 60 year old version of your SD: entitled, spoiled, resentful that the world does not dance to her tune, resentful because she cannot wheedle money out of her family (she's been on SSI since her late 20's), resentful of what her sibs have, having minor fits at family dinners and at a party because she was not the center of attention, making caustic, sarcastic comments under her breath just loud enough to be heard. If you think it's ugly at 18 - it's catastrophic at 60. People couldn't get away from her fast enough. So sad! Sad to think your SD is creating a pattern of interaction with others that will eventually set her up to end up the same way
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Oct 23, 2013 14:09:11 GMT -5
I would give you a hug, but you probably need a cocktail even more!
I can't even imagine. There's a reason I don't have kids... because if they acted like that, I'd have to kill it and start over.
i'm kidding.
sorta.
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Post by greeniis10 on Oct 23, 2013 14:13:00 GMT -5
Feeling badly for your SD is natural because as an adult you can clearly see how badly her life will go if she continues on this path. Yes, the teenage brain is immature but you cannot underestimate it at the same time. She does know that you and her dad will feel badly for her if she's "suffering" (in her own spoiled mind) and will probably give her what she wants. I'm by no means calling either of you weak, so please don't take it that way!
Unfortunately, it's going to take a drastic turn of events for even a chance of the entitled attitude to change. Until she feels she is completely, 100% responsible for herself and her finances with no plan b from mom, dad, stepmom, etc. she truly can't change. So sorry for all of this! If you're like me when DH and I got together the kids were much younger and the drama-filled teenage years weren't something we attempted to pre-plan for.
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Post by souldoubt on Oct 23, 2013 14:14:58 GMT -5
I don't feel bad for her but you guys are a lot nicer than me and I think some of that comes from being parents. Life sucks sometimes and most people don't have some idyllic life. Being a brat at 18 isn't the end of the world but like witchykitten I've seen people who didn't grow out of it who are basically worthless. Some people no matter what you give them it's never enough and saying no is the best thing you can do for them or they'll never grow out of it. Good luck.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 14:15:48 GMT -5
I think part of it is that she saw us bail out her brother... maybe. Of course, we'd afraid he'd die from his addiction or from some other nefarious reason. She's a lot sharper than her brother. She used to always be the "good" one. I guess this is her time.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 23, 2013 14:26:28 GMT -5
If I wasn't in my late 20's I probably have acted out quite a bit when my brother was going thru his douchebag phase.
While I "understand" why my parents treated him the way they did it was HARD as the "good child" to pretty much be punted to the sidelines while they focused on whatever crisis my brother was having that minute. It sure as hell didn't feel very rewarding to be the "good child".
Yeah yeah I know I don't want to be my brother and being a responsible adult should be its own reward but it really sucks to feel like an outsider in your family because everyone is so busy with whatever drama the other sibling has cooked up. It's assumed I can take care of myself and I just know that they love me.
I'm 29 so I'm not going to do anything stupid and I can't think of how else my parents should have handeled things, it's a really tough spot for a parent to be in.
I'm just saying part of her current behavior might be she's seen you guys bail her brother out over and over that she figures this is the only way to get your attention.
Can't go back and undo the past unfortunately. I suggest your husband read Boundaries and Co-Dependent No More so he can stop the cycle with DSD.
My parents have admitted to me how they handled my brother wasn't the smartest way to go about it and I appreciate they are open with me. It helps me put it all into perspective.
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Post by NastyWoman on Oct 23, 2013 14:31:21 GMT -5
"I could write a novel about everything she's done to give the back story, but I'll just keep it short. There is a college fund provided by her grandfather that will pay for part of her college, and we have some funds set aside as well since it probably won't cover everything. She lied to H about her expenses so she could go buy a brand new $1800 laptop (yes, you read that right). She also asked for a $250/month allowance. My H wrote her a check for $100 and asked her for a budget if she wanted more. She texted back that she hated him, she never wanted to speak to him again, and she would never let him meet his future grandchildren. Did I mention this was when H's mom (her grandmother) was in the hospital with a potentially fatal brain injury? (he was there visiting)"
I would seriously think avbout sending SD an email along the line off:
Dear SD, You have told your dad that you never wanted to speak to him again, and he is respecting your wishes. However, it recently has come to my attention that someone may be trying to steal your identity by asking for your dad's CV, money, etc. In light of the fact that I know it van't be you making these requests, I felt it my civic duty to let you know what is happening so that you can take steps to protect yourself from this imposter.
Please know that your dad and I wish you the very best for your future and that, should you ever change your mind and wish to have a civilized relationship with us, we are open to that at any time.
Signed, your SM honeybbq
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 14:32:28 GMT -5
Honey I'm sorry you are going through this. I'm not sure I have much advice.
I think your DH needs to set expectations, and follow through. Otherwise it's too easy for your SD to regard him (and you) as bottomless pits.
Changing from theatre to archaeology or anthropology isn't really doing much for her marketability ...
I also have to agree with Milee that your DH needs to think about his role in these kids' lives. He was probably very busy at the time, perhaps less available to them than he is to your DD now that he is older and more established ... there is no judgement in my saying these things. But it is a fact that he is a different father at (what? I'm guessing late 40s / early 50s?) than he was in his (I'm guessing late 20s / early 30s?)
I've had plenty of "moments" with my kids ... but our expectations of them have always been clear. I'm not sure that's the case here.
I remember years ago reading one of Cawiau's posts, in which he talked about how his uncle would make his kids take out loans every semester, and then reimburse those loans after each successful semester / year (can't remember which). How much he reimbursed depended on their marks. I remember that much although I don't remember the exact details.
I think that could be a good plan, but it will probably come as a total shock to your SD and require some time to implement. Or even to your DH ...
For now, I'd probably give her her GF's money and tell her the Bank of Dad and Stepmom is closed. And whether it's closed permanently or temporarily is ENTIRELY up to HER.
But your DH needs to establish boundaries and expectations, inform his DD of them, and it will probably take a while for her to get her head around them (or not). And perhaps him as well.
I think he should write to her, since things are so conflictual now.
Best of luck. Being a step-parent is not easy every day (I should know I'm married to 3 of my 4 kids' step-dad lol).
ETA: Sounds to me like until now, the subtext was that all that was expected from her was to be the "good one" / the smart one / ie the one not on drugs.
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Post by bean29 on Oct 23, 2013 14:40:09 GMT -5
A $250 a month allowance? That's crazy. My parents never even dreamed of giving me an allowance in college. They paid for my tuition and room and board. If I wanted spending money, I had to go get a job, which I did. I don't think it's necessarily crazy. If the college student is a good kid, taking care of their business and making good grades, and the parents can afford it and want to give him/her $250/month, I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm pretty sure my husband gives DS more than that. DS also has a CC to charge whatever he wants to. My DS is my good child. He does not get out of hand...but he probably charges $100/month. The bill goes to DH's office so I am not 100% sure how much DS charges. PS my DD (16) is my difficult child. More demanding, spends more $$, she however is not over the top charging on CC's either. But she is more emotional, demanding and can be unresonable. She is way better than she was a few years ago though.
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Post by haapai on Oct 23, 2013 14:50:37 GMT -5
I don't think this kid equates money with love. I think she's grown up seeing her mother getting checks for going/staying away and sees no reason to pursue a different livelihood.
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 23, 2013 15:17:53 GMT -5
Just another perspective based on what you wrote:
...There is a college fund provided by her grandfather that will pay for part of her college, and we have some funds set aside as well since it probably won't cover everything. For many people, there gets to be a point in their life where they can't stand someone else managing "their money". Yes, at 18 she will make mistakes with the money, but she's viewing it as hers and is angry about not having control over it.
...She lied to H about her expenses so she could go buy a brand new $1800 laptop (yes, you read that right). How does lying about expenses result in an 1800 laptop? If you knew it was 1800 and opposed to the price knowing there are cheaper options, why did you buy it?
...She also asked for a $250/month allowance. My H wrote her a check for $100 and asked her for a budget if she wanted more. She texted back that she hated him, she never wanted to speak to him again, and she would never let him meet his future grandchildren. Did I mention this was when H's mom (her grandmother) was in the hospital with a potentially fatal brain injury? (he was there visiting) This sounds exactly like something my mom would have said to my dad when her alimony or child support check was short. Is it possible she's just modeling what she's heard her mom say a million times growing up and not really meaning it?
...Right now she is on a partial scholarship for theater (oh well, we support her). She texted H last night that she needs a copy of his CV because she is applying to schools (?? so much for never speaking to us again). I guess she wants to switch schools and now get a degree in anthropology and archaeology and needs to go to a different college (and abandon her 50% scholarship). I don't really understand how this is relevant to being an evil, hateful person unless you just want to illustrate that she is fickle. But so is every teenager. Half the people I went to college with changed their major at least once. Or did you just want to make a point that she still reached out when she needed something despite saying she would never again, I'm really not sure.
...She has never EVER in her entire life shown any interest in either of those subjects. I didn't "show" any interest in the majors I chose either leading up to choosing them. Sometimes parents know their kids interest less than anyone- especially when the teenage years start and they close themselves off to their parents.
...I am frustrated because we want to support her education, but honestly she is just so horrible to deal with my H is so upset... I told him just give her the money (we are joint owners on the primary account and sole owners on the second account) and tell her to do whatever she wants with it. If she gets a degree, fine. If not, fine. Her choices, she's old enough. My parents didn't pressure me in college at all. They paid for everything, gave me an allowance and didn't get mad at my grades. This approach like contributed to preventing me becoming "horrible to deal with", though that's not really my personality.
...H doesn't want to do that because he knows she's so irresponsible with money it'll be gone and she'll never finish her degree. I'm upset at him because I told him he needed to lay out a contract and expectations BEFORE college ever started. He didn't. He thought it would just be ok. If she never finishes and blows all the money I think that's her problem. I also have a 2 yr old's college account to fund. I didn't have a contract or expectations before going to college. The only expectation was to graduate. But, I also didn't manage the money and was given what I needed and asked for. I guess some kids need that structure though. If you keep her money and don't give her what she asks for (in the case of only give $100 when she asked for $250), you will continue to have these battles.
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Post by happyscooter on Oct 23, 2013 15:22:07 GMT -5
Allowance? $250 a month Truthfully, my kids probably had $250 for 6 months and that was them working for it. The rest went into a savings account that they used to buy a used car their jr year of college. When I think about older son going back each weekend with no money in his wallet, I want to sit down and cry. And that was only 10 years ago.
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 23, 2013 15:24:59 GMT -5
I got to college and realized my wardrobe was horribly inadequate. Then I gained 15 pounds and it was really inadequate. A couple of new jeans one month, a few new shirts another month, a couple of pairs of shoes another month, a formal dress to wear to a dance another month, then of course you need cute stuff to wear to parties and on dates, etc, etc. I really didn't feel like I spent a lot of money on clothes, but it adds up quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 15:34:48 GMT -5
I think part of it is that she saw us bail out her brother... maybe. Of course, we'd afraid he'd die from his addiction or from some other nefarious reason. She's a lot sharper than her brother. She used to always be the "good" one. I guess this is her time. If it makes you feel any better, I think that's a good sign. I get the sense that a lot of the time when people go from mellow to self absorbed and kind of mean like that, they're maybe showing signs of being scared, and trying to pump up courage with aggressive feelings. My rebellion period was horrible. It was only 6 months, just before I went to college, but it was explosive; I'd always been the "flexible," "sweet," and "mellow," kid, but during those 6 months, every nasty thing I'd ever considered just vomited out in this super concentrated spew. I can't believe some of the stuff I said. But then I went to college, and mellowed down again. It was like I had all these things I wanted to try, and I was standing at the edge of a cliff, so anything that made me not afraid, totally in control and knowing best was a good thing. Even though it obviously wasn't pleasant for anyone To me it sounds very likely that she'll mellow down again at some point, it's just when. Maybe when she gets a job and gets her feet under her? Good luck with all this, I have a lot of respect for parents!
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 15:42:07 GMT -5
...There is a college fund provided by her grandfather that will pay for part of her college, and we have some funds set aside as well since it probably won't cover everything. For many people, there gets to be a point in their life where they can't stand someone else managing "their money". Yes, at 18 she will make mistakes with the money, but she's viewing it as hers and is angry about not having control over it. So... we should give her 40,000 or 50,000 and not hold her accountable? Just another perspective based on what you wrote: ...She lied to H about her expenses so she could go buy a brand new $1800 laptop (yes, you read that right). How does lying about expenses result in an 1800 laptop? If you knew it was 1800 and opposed to the price knowing there are cheaper options, why did you buy it? We didn't buy it. She said she needed $9,000 for her first bill for tuition and board. We sent her $9,000. We found out later that her bill was only $6,000. She kept $3000 for herself and bought the laptop. She actually already HAD a laptop. It wasn't working because she dropped it. Luckily, we had insurance, so all she had to do was take it to the mac store and let them fix it. But she wouldn't. So she lied to us and bought a new one. ...She also asked for a $250/month allowance. My H wrote her a check for $100 and asked her for a budget if she wanted more. She texted back that she hated him, she never wanted to speak to him again, and she would never let him meet his future grandchildren. Did I mention this was when H's mom (her grandmother) was in the hospital with a potentially fatal brain injury? (he was there visiting)This sounds exactly like something my mom would have said to my dad when her alimony or child support check was short. Is it possible she's just modeling what she's heard her mom say a million times growing up and not really meaning it? I don't really even understand this. We never got any say in how her alimony or child support check was spent. Just another perspective based on what you wrote: ...Right now she is on a partial scholarship for theater (oh well, we support her). She texted H last night that she needs a copy of his CV because she is applying to schools (?? so much for never speaking to us again). I guess she wants to switch schools and now get a degree in anthropology and archaeology and needs to go to a different college (and abandon her 50% scholarship). I don't really understand how this is relevant to being an evil, hateful person unless you just want to illustrate that she is fickle. But so is every teenager. Half the people I went to college with changed their major at least once. Or did you just want to make a point that she still reached out when she needed something despite saying she would never again, I'm really not sure. Not everything about her is hateful. I'm describing the situation about her being wasteful with money. I didn't know what I wanted to do in college the first year or so. But I didn't switch schools or throw away scholarship money to figure out what I wanted to do. ...I am frustrated because we want to support her education, but honestly she is just so horrible to deal with my H is so upset... I told him just give her the money (we are joint owners on the primary account and sole owners on the second account) and tell her to do whatever she wants with it. If she gets a degree, fine. If not, fine. Her choices, she's old enough.My parents didn't pressure me in college at all. They paid for everything, gave me an allowance and didn't get mad at my grades. This approach like contributed to preventing me becoming "horrible to deal with", though that's not really my personality. So, when she blows through all the college money, and all her secondary funds because of her frivilous spending, should we drain our retirement accounts to pay for it? Where does it end? ...H doesn't want to do that because he knows she's so irresponsible with money it'll be gone and she'll never finish her degree. I'm upset at him because I told him he needed to lay out a contract and expectations BEFORE college ever started. He didn't. He thought it would just be ok. If she never finishes and blows all the money I think that's her problem. I also have a 2 yr old's college account to fund. I didn't have a contract or expectations before going to college. The only expectation was to graduate. But, I also didn't manage the money and was given what I needed and asked for. I guess some kids need that structure though. If you keep her money and don't give her what she asks for (in the case of only give $100 when she asked for $250), you will continue to have these battles. It's not HER money. It's money from me, her dad, and and her grandparents.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 15:44:45 GMT -5
I got to college and realized my wardrobe was horribly inadequate. Then I gained 15 pounds and it was really inadequate. A couple of new jeans one month, a few new shirts another month, a couple of pairs of shoes another month, a formal dress to wear to a dance another month, then of course you need cute stuff to wear to parties and on dates, etc, etc. I really didn't feel like I spent a lot of money on clothes, but it adds up quickly. She is definitely adequately clothed. Even if she needed clothes, we'd be open to it. What we don't want to be is an open ended never ending supply of money.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Oct 23, 2013 15:45:34 GMT -5
I think part of it is that she saw us bail out her brother... maybe. Of course, we'd afraid he'd die from his addiction or from some other nefarious reason. She's a lot sharper than her brother. She used to always be the "good" one. I guess this is her time. If it makes you feel any better, I think that's a good sign. I get the sense that a lot of the time when people go from mellow to self absorbed and kind of mean like that, they're maybe showing signs of being scared, and trying to pump up courage with aggressive feelings. My rebellion period was horrible. It was only 6 months, just before I went to college, but it was explosive; I'd always been the "flexible," "sweet," and "mellow," kid, but during those 6 months, every nasty thing I'd ever considered just vomited out in this super concentrated spew. I can't believe some of the stuff I said. But then I went to college, and mellowed down again. It was like I had all these things I wanted to try, and I was standing at the edge of a cliff, so anything that made me not afraid, totally in control and knowing best was a good thing. Even though it obviously wasn't pleasant for anyone To me it sounds very likely that she'll mellow down again at some point, it's just when. Maybe when she gets a job and gets her feet under her? Good luck with all this, I have a lot of respect for parents! Thanks. I think we are going on year 4 of teenage angst. It's really getting old.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 23, 2013 15:46:08 GMT -5
I didn't know what I wanted to do in college the first year or so. But I didn't switch schools or throw away scholarship money to figure out what I wanted to do.
If DH is up for it I'd say you aren't paying her tuition if she switches schools and loses the scholarship. She has to figure out how to cover the new school's tuition herself.
As a compromise for DH's peace of mind you could still pay for books and stuff but since she's choosing to give up a 50% scholarship she should be responsible for figuring out how to foot the tuition bill.
If she's actually serious and follows thru then you could discuss covering whatever remains of the tuition bill. But I wouldn't hand over the money for a half baked idea of switching schools for an archeology of all things.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Oct 23, 2013 15:50:09 GMT -5
I don't even know what that means. Gaining weight, yeah I can see, but I don't understand an inadequate wardrobe.
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Post by happyscooter on Oct 23, 2013 15:51:10 GMT -5
Dang Joss, that's good. reply #73
DO NOT GIVE HER THE GRANDPARENT'S MONEY. It was meant for college and it should be used for college.
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 23, 2013 15:51:49 GMT -5
I don't know the answer. The one quote you didn't understand was that your step-daughter sounds like she is modeling something her mom might say. I'm not saying you said any of that. I will say that I never saw a tuition bill or rent. Since I wasn't managing the money, the tuition and rent went directly to my parents and they paid so there was no way for me to screw that up. I still somehow learned how to manage money without that life lesson. Tough situation, but one side has to give or it will continue to be a struggle. Good luck. I can't find the hug emoticon or I would add it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Oct 23, 2013 15:52:11 GMT -5
but I don't understand an inadequate wardrobe
I don't get it either. Based on my college campus you'd think there is a law saying all college students must wear jeans, a hoody and flip flops. Even in the middle of December in Iowa.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 23, 2013 15:53:22 GMT -5
My brother and I were raised by the same parents. My parents were married for over 60 years before my dad passed. My brother was an abject failure and still is. The reason? He was never held accountable. Whatever he did, my parents picked up the pieces for him. They ignored the lies, the cheating, the thefts ... all of it. Heads in the sand and onward! The result wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty, at all.
Now, was I resentful? Maybe when I was very young, but not once I started to see the results. Too late, I think my parents realized what they'd done. I knew it earlier and tried to tell them to put on the brakes and stop the bleeding. Sadly, they didn't listen. My brother is 5 years younger than I (66). While he finally has a job he's been able to hold onto for more than a month or so (about 8 years now), it's certainly not anything to write home about. He has no degree, although he attended college on my parents twice, that I knew of. Up until just a few years ago, he was still begging money from my mother. That's the result when no guidelines are drawn and there is no insistence to adhere to those guidelines. I've seen plenty more like him. Sometimes, tough love is the real love.
I'm sorry your family is having to go through this, honeybbq.
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 23, 2013 15:53:48 GMT -5
...I am frustrated because we want to support her education, but honestly she is just so horrible to deal with my H is so upset... I told him just give her the money (we are joint owners on the primary account and sole owners on the second account) and tell her to do whatever she wants with it. If she gets a degree, fine. If not, fine. Her choices, she's old enough.My parents didn't pressure me in college at all. They paid for everything, gave me an allowance and didn't get mad at my grades. This approach like contributed to preventing me becoming "horrible to deal with", though that's not really my personality. LOL, of course you weren't "horrible to deal with"... you were getting everything for free without having to answer to anyone in return! I'd be awesome to deal with in that scenario too!
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Post by Rocky Mtn Saver on Oct 23, 2013 15:54:43 GMT -5
I don't even know what that means. Gaining weight, yeah I can see, but I don't understand an inadequate wardrobe. Based on what I see the college students wearing around my neighborhood, as long as you're not naked, you're adequately clothed.
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 23, 2013 15:55:08 GMT -5
...I am frustrated because we want to support her education, but honestly she is just so horrible to deal with my H is so upset... I told him just give her the money (we are joint owners on the primary account and sole owners on the second account) and tell her to do whatever she wants with it. If she gets a degree, fine. If not, fine. Her choices, she's old enough.My parents didn't pressure me in college at all. They paid for everything, gave me an allowance and didn't get mad at my grades. This approach like contributed to preventing me becoming "horrible to deal with", though that's not really my personality. LOL, of course you weren't "horrible to deal with"... you were getting everything for free without having to answer to anyone in return! I'd be awesome to deal with in that scenario too! Exactly!
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Post by gooddecisions on Oct 23, 2013 15:59:28 GMT -5
I don't even know what that means. Gaining weight, yeah I can see, but I don't understand an inadequate wardrobe. Based on what I see the college students wearing around my neighborhood, as long as you're not naked, you're adequately clothed. Yes, most students would agree that any wardrobe is acceptable for food halls and classes, but going on dates, parties and events is another story. It's like being a freshman in high school all over again when you're just trying to be liked, fit in and look pretty.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Oct 23, 2013 16:05:21 GMT -5
On the one hand, this is all probably accurate. On the other, "Aww... the poor little spoiled rich girl is depressed... how sad..." Tough shit princess, grow the fuck up and quit being a douche.
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