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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 4, 2015 7:06:19 GMT -5
I didn't think you could garnish disability (or SS) unless you're the IRS.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 4, 2015 8:23:19 GMT -5
Karaboo - except if he us getting disability, doesn't that mean that child support and also back child support can be deducted automatically and sent to you? Oh I totally understand and get that. But knowing him, from my point of view, it's like I'm paying myself CS (through taxes). I don't begrudge anyone disability. In his case, it's just another scam which is what I disagree with. Since I haven't seen a dime from the state in over a year, I doubt he's receiving anything at the moment. With Flotsam, anything he says at any given point is the "truth". However, he also leaves out details, important details, that would change the "truth" into a bald-face lie. In other words, I'm not holding my breath unless I see the money.....
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Post by KaraBoo on May 4, 2015 8:28:57 GMT -5
I didn't think you could garnish disability (or SS) unless you're the IRS. In a case like this, I don't believe a disability check would be garnished, rather the dependent child/caregiver would receive an additional check to cover CS. In cases like this, the government recognizes that the parent cannot financially care for a child, so they step in to assist (I believe, but could be wrong). Since I have known Flotsam, he's attempted to get on disability in some form or fashion. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've worked for 25 years and for 20 of those years, Flotsam has attempted to scam the system and everyone he comes in contact with. I wouldn't change places with him, but neither do I approve of his methods. I'd rather receive nothing than to have others pay for his responsibilities.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 4, 2015 8:40:30 GMT -5
I didn't think you could garnish disability (or SS) unless you're the IRS. In a case like this, I don't believe a disability check would be garnished, rather the dependent child/caregiver would receive an additional check to cover CS. In cases like this, the government recognizes that the parent cannot financially care for a child, so they step in to assist (I believe, but could be wrong). Since I have known Flotsam, he's attempted to get on disability in some form or fashion. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I've worked for 25 years and for 20 of those years, Flotsam has attempted to scam the system and everyone he comes in contact with. I wouldn't change places with him, but neither do I approve of his methods. I'd rather receive nothing than to have others pay for his responsibilities. I swear Flotsam is related to my ex-SIL. The stupid cow won't work and is married to husband number four, an end-stage alcoholic. He's on disability with multiple health issues (oh, what a surprise). The reason she won't work: if she did, she'd make too much money and they would lose their Medicaid, food stamps, and other state aid. Meanwhile, she and hubs live in her mother's garage apartment (her mother, grandmother and two of her other lazy sisters live in the house). Six useless adults under one roof (well, grandma is elderly, so she's entitled); that's a lot of stupid in one place.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 10:13:26 GMT -5
If he is on disability, then the child is entitled to also receive partial disability payments. Want to bet he claimed the child is living with him to get a higher amount?
When your life settles down you should call social security to see if he is claiming the child is living with him. You can get the payment re-directed to you as the residential parent. Flotsam should NOT be getting the child's benefit regardless of whether you think his claim is valid or not. Maybe they finally approved him on a mental health disability & that could be totally valid.
I kind of feel like him giving Buddy a little cash is his way of being able to say "but I gave my kid the money" (even if he gave only a fraction of what he receives).
You just call SS and say I understand my ex is on disability and I am concerned he claimed the child that lives with me is living with him. Can you check to make sure my child's funds are not being sent to ex please.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 10, 2015 22:36:42 GMT -5
So...after I posted this last Sunday, I received a text from Flotsam about the money. It was pretty non-specific and typical of communication I receive from him.....rambling and not really giving much information that could be useful.
Being the type of person I am - I poked the hornet's nest (so to speak). I sent him a text on Friday pointing out that "According to our last phone conversation, and your conversation with Buddy this past Sunday, you are now receiving disability benefits. What agency is this through?" This is my EXACT text to him. I asked this specifically because like I said before, he's sneaky and will only talk in half-truths.
Finally received an answer today - Social Security Disability....but with a HUGE additional block of text (his response, only with names changed):
"Social Security Disability. I will be sending you money, not to worry. I AM disabled, Karaboo. I hope you don't go making a beef just so you can cause me some grief. I am paying you back, although it may not be $250/month (which is court ordered CS). Call me before you start getting carried away, alright. If you mess me up, nobody's going to win. I try to start setting things right and now you start implying that I'm no good."
HUGE red flags for me knowing him like I know him. He knows that I if I start asking questions, whatever story he's told someone else will be found out.
Thanks for pointing out that I need to follow up - you guys are right....he's up to something sneaky.....
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Post by Works4me on May 11, 2015 5:39:16 GMT -5
Most likely he is receiving Social Security payments for Buddy as well as himself, thus greatly increasing his SSD income. When an adult is receiving Social Security has dependents, such as minor children,there is a second payment made for the support and benefit of that minor child.
Bottom line is that he is probably receiving about an extra $800 per month, or even more, that is supposed to used for supporting Buddy. If Social Security knows that you have full custody, that money would go to you, instead of Flotsam. That is why Child Support orders and collections are different when a parent us retired or on disability.
If I were you, I would contact the Social Security office ASAP so that this money can be s not to you. The details of his disability issues have nothing to do with you and are really none of your business beyond the fact that he is receiving SSD which entitles Buddy to receive monthly support from Social Security.
One other consideration - if his case took time to process, which they all do, he probably received several months of back payment of benefits which should have gone to you for Buddy's benefit.
And gee, he thought you should be grateful for a hundred or two a month - oops! Of course he is worried, and rightfully so, as his income will be dropping significantly.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 11, 2015 9:38:17 GMT -5
So in the first sentence, he's threatening you. In the second sentence, he's confirming what you already know about him. What a guy. If ever someone needed their own frEEzer, it would be this guy. Frankly, he can shove his disability up his ass. Cheating SS for disability payments is a federal offense. Not to worry, though; most prisons can handle him and whatever his issues are. I hope he gets a hairy cellmate named Bertha who speaks softly and carries a big bar of soap.
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 11, 2015 9:58:18 GMT -5
So in the first sentence, he's threatening you. In the second sentence, he's confirming what you already know about him. What a guy. If ever someone needed their own frEEzer, it would be this guy. Frankly, he can shove his disability up his ass. Cheating SS for disability payments is a federal offense. Not to worry, though; most prisons can handle him and whatever his issues are. I hope he gets a hairy cellmate named Bertha who speaks softly and carries a big bar of soap. If he gets put away, at least Kara and Buddy don't have to deal with his shit. FWIW, I would absolutely contact the proper authorities so that Buddy is getting his due, as opposed to the POS ex.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 11, 2015 10:15:58 GMT -5
So in the first sentence, he's threatening you. In the second sentence, he's confirming what you already know about him. What a guy. If ever someone needed their own frEEzer, it would be this guy. Frankly, he can shove his disability up his ass. Cheating SS for disability payments is a federal offense. Not to worry, though; most prisons can handle him and whatever his issues are. I hope he gets a hairy cellmate named Bertha who speaks softly and carries a big bar of soap. If he gets put away, at least Kara and Buddy don't have to deal with his shit. FWIW, I would absolutely contact the proper authorities so that Buddy is getting his due, as opposed to the POS ex. Agreed. This is about Buddy, not the selfish sperm donor. Just wait until he winds up behind bars for this, AND owning the gubmit the money he's taken. I would pay to see him dragged off, crying like a little girl. Let's see what a big man he is then, standing before a magistrate, as they total up what he stole.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 12:03:57 GMT -5
Just to clarify. If he is on SSDI then there are child benefits due to his disability (that's the SS where you earned enough work credits to qualify). If he is on SSI then there are not child benefits because there aren't enough work credits, so it is only for the disabled person's benefit.
Since he gave some cash to the kid, I am just guessing that he's on SSDI, and this is how he thinks he "covers himself" because the half truth is that 'he gave the money to the kid' even though it wasn't the full amount.
If Karaboo calls & just says that her ex-H told her he is on disability and she wants to check if there are benefits for the minor child that lives with her, they'll get it sorted out.
They don't typically haul the other parent off to jail for mis-reporting the child's residence; they just fix who the payment is going to once you submit the divorce decree that shows residential assignment. I would just work this with the SS Office and never say a word to the ex. In the nicest way possible, I'm just gonna say that they are used to dealing with ex's that are parasitic a**holes.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on May 11, 2015 12:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 12:28:27 GMT -5
What karaboo knows is that he's a lazy jerk. She may suspect he is scamming the system because of past behaviors, however she does not actually have knowledge that he is scamming. There is every possibility that ex has mental health issues that got him qualified. You can look like an able-bodied individual, but have mental health issues that interfere with your ability to work. If he constantly fails in the work environment or blows up at people, then he has a problem that will make him unemployable. She doesn't live with him & they are not going to tell her what the disability is. How would she know if there is fraud? She's going to call them and say he's a low-life scam artist that abandons his financial responsibilities and I'll bet his claim is fraudulent? A doctor has certified some condition to SS for him to get benefits at all. Why would karaboo know better than a doctor?
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Post by zibazinski on May 11, 2015 12:33:30 GMT -5
True but the scam is that he's collecting and not paying her. Get that scam taken care of ASAP.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 11, 2015 12:38:54 GMT -5
At lunch, so I don't have a lot of time right now. I did research some SSI yesterday, but mostly looking for a number to call.
Does anyone know what the numbers for work credits qualify a person for? I really find it hard to believe he's worked enough in the last 18 years to qualify - but maybe the requirement is lower than Im thinking it should be. Plus I have no idea how much he worked before he hooked up with me, but I don't think it was that much either.
What's upsetting me is the "injuries" he's claiming just don't add up. He's always claimed he has/had back problems, but never went to the doctor for treatment (that I know of - always claimed he couldn't afford to go when I asked about treatment), now he's claiming he's losing his eyesight (this is a new claim on the latest text), but yet he's visiting his son on a motorcycle? I'm just highly suspicious of any of his claims.
I appreciate the links though! I'll be reading them more in depth tonight!!
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Post by KaraBoo on May 11, 2015 12:45:10 GMT -5
What karaboo knows is that he's a lazy jerk. She may suspect he is scamming the system because of past behaviors, however she does not actually have knowledge that he is scamming. There is every possibility that ex has mental health issues that got him qualified. You can look like an able-bodied individual, but have mental health issues that interfere with your ability to work. If he constantly fails in the work environment or blows up at people, then he has a problem that will make him unemployable. She doesn't live with him & they are not going to tell her what the disability is. How would she know if there is fraud? She's going to call them and say he's a low-life scam artist that abandons his financial responsibilities and I'll bet his claim is fraudulent? A doctor has certified some condition to SS for him to get benefits at all. Why would karaboo know better than a doctor? Rock it - I totally agree with you that looking at a person, you can't know if they are disabled or not. I work at a hospital and this is brought home to me all the time. In my ex's case, I'm suspicious based on history of what I've had to deal with him on. I'm not going to say anything about fraud, because you're right, I can't prove it. I am going to make sure he isn't claiming our son lives with him when he clearly doesn't. Now...if I'm asked....that's a whole other story!!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 13:10:10 GMT -5
800-772-1213 You will need to have ex's and son's SS#s. This is the link for how many work credits www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10029.pdf for age, but it is also changed for circumstance and the type of disability. You don't really need to know if he has the credits or not. Just call & they will tell you if the child is eligible for benefit or not, or if he even has a claim in. If they don't have any record of a claim, then that gets interesting
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 12, 2015 12:00:52 GMT -5
I thought it was 40 quarters to qualify for full SS. I have a vague thought it's like 20 quarters for the Disability stuff. But I could very easily be wrong. But 20 quarters would be 5 years total of working.
I'm also told that back injuries are the easiest to fake but that's about all I know.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 12, 2015 12:02:58 GMT -5
I googled "how many quarters does someone need for social security disability" and copies this out of the first answer.
The number of work credits needed for disability benefits depends on your age when you become disabled. Generally you need 40 credits, 20 of which were earned in the last 10 years ending with the year you become disabled. However, younger workers may qualify with fewer credits. Benefits Planner: Number Of Credits Needed For Disability ... ssa.gov/planners/retire/credits3.htmlSocial Security Administration
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Post by Peace77 on May 12, 2015 14:24:58 GMT -5
He may be receiving disability in the basis of a mental disability such as Depression.
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 12, 2015 14:41:30 GMT -5
He may be receiving disability in the basis of a mental disability such as Depression. That may be, but that doesn't entitle him to Buddy's support money.
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Post by Peace77 on May 12, 2015 16:45:48 GMT -5
He may be receiving disability in the basis of a mental disability such as Depression. That may be, but that doesn't entitle him to Buddy's support money. I didn't say that. I was just responding to the statement that he doesn't look disabled.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 13, 2015 8:53:05 GMT -5
Still haven't had a chance to call and find out status. I can't find his SSN. I know I have it, I just can't seem to find the book it's written in (old address book that I know I haven't thrown away - just put up somewhere that's not currently "logical").
For those who may be following the saga, but might not know the whole story, I truly believe my Ex is a sociopath. I've seen him turn the waterworks on and off on a dime (for no apparent reason other than he thought that tactic might work). I've called him out on his manipulations, and he still denied even when I had proof. He uses people for what he wants, regardless of what it may do to the other person. I highly suspect that he "helped" his late wife OD and die based on thing he said and I witnessed, probably with the intention of collecting her money (which turned out she had none).
Now I have no proof of this last item - but he's implied in the past that I might meet an untimely death as well. I've taken steps to make sure my family and friends know to point fingers at him if I die under suspicious circumstances.
So yeah....scamming the government...that's right up his alley.
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Post by KaraBoo on May 14, 2015 20:17:14 GMT -5
In for an interesting evening. We're supposed to be talking to Rowdy about what his plans are going forward.
He gave tons of attitude with us just asking when he'd like to talk. Then, when I got home tonight, friends were dropping him off, so I went up to introduce myself while Rowdy walked away. I was nice and respectful to them. One of them was wearing an ROTC shirt, so I asked if they knew about his plans to drop out. They both said yes, but then re one with the ROTC shirt said...well I do now (know the other one knew, just because of who he is.)
Rowdy walked up and said to his friends, "just so you know, she's a c*nt." and walked off.
The look on their faces was stunned silence. I commented, "I'm telling you about his plans to drop out because what he tells everyone isn't always the truth. Would your parents approve of you saying anything like that to them? Just think about how much help you're willing to give someone. I want everyone on the same page. Have a good evening!" And walked off.
Should be an interesting evening!
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Post by taz157 on May 14, 2015 20:34:36 GMT -5
Wow on what Rowdy said! I hope he gets his act together soon before he does something that has lasting permanent effect.
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Post by mmhmm on May 14, 2015 20:35:57 GMT -5
Oh, man, Kara! I sure don't envy you, hon. This youngun is bent on self-destruction at this point, it would seem. What a shame! I've got a grandson who's doing much the same sort of thing. He's not as "in-your-face" as Rowdy, but he seems to have decided to spend his life playing video games. He's 19 and lazy as sin. Not sure what they're going to do with him. My son is a disciplinarian and is not at all happy with the status quo, but he's the kids' step-dad so doesn't have that much control without mom going off the deep end. It really hurts him to see what the boy is doing (or, perhaps, what he isn't doing). I wish you guys luck and I sure hope Rowdy sees the error of his ways before he goes so far it will be very, very difficult for him to pull himself out of the hole he's digging.
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Post by CarolinaKat on May 15, 2015 8:49:59 GMT -5
In for an interesting evening. We're supposed to be talking to Rowdy about what his plans are going forward. He gave tons of attitude with us just asking when he'd like to talk. Then, when I got home tonight, friends were dropping him off, so I went up to introduce myself while Rowdy walked away. I was nice and respectful to them. One of them was wearing an ROTC shirt, so I asked if they knew about his plans to drop out. They both said yes, but then re one with the ROTC shirt said...well I do now (know the other one knew, just because of who he is.) Rowdy walked up and said to his friends, "just so you know, she's a c*nt." and walked off. The look on their faces was stunned silence. I commented, "I'm telling you about his plans to drop out because what he tells everyone isn't always the truth. Would your parents approve of you saying anything like that to them? Just think about how much help you're willing to give someone. I want everyone on the same page. Have a good evening!" And walked off. Should be an interesting evening! drop out? Just Wow. Do you and Hun have a plan for when Rowdy turns 18 and drops out?
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Post by KaraBoo on May 15, 2015 8:51:44 GMT -5
Have to go into work, but the conversation wasn't as bad as it could have been with Rowdy. I'll post more about it later.
Now Hun is upset at me for something totally unrelated. Probably carry over from last night and thinks I don't care that he's upset. I just can't keep everyone happy, so I'm done trying. I understand why he's upset, but I have to keep myself emotionally strong as well. I can't carry everyone through this. He's going to have to carry his own emotional weight.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 15, 2015 8:58:35 GMT -5
Rowdy walked up and said to his friends, "just so you know, she's a c*nt." and walked off.
WTF?!
Kara you are a saint, if either of my kids called me that they wouldn't live long enough to drop out of school.
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Post by zibazinski on May 15, 2015 9:06:17 GMT -5
First I think I'd send HUN and his offspring somewhere else until they both straighten up. This is complete and utter bull.
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