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Post by zibazinski on Feb 7, 2015 13:45:07 GMT -5
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 7, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -5
Rowdy.....Rowdy is another story. <sigh> We're at our wits end with him.... He's stubborn and headstrong and insists that things need to be his way or it is wrong. He was arrested the other day and blamed everyone else but himself. Thankfully, the arrest was not for anything serious. He was caught by the police skipping school (with a girl) and hanging out in an area the police have been patrolling (apparently there have been some robberies around the area lately). They took them both back to school, wrote them citations and they were both given in-school suspensions. Because of this, we also found out he's been lying to us (for about 2 weeks now) that his schedule was changed - it wasn't.
He is currently failing ALL of his classes. We're afraid he's not going to pass for the year, which puts him in serious danger of not graduating on-time.
We have a meeting scheduled with his mom and her boyfriend (without Rowdy or the other kids) this afternoon to see what the 4 of us can do to help him. We'll see if she/they have anything constructive to suggest.
DH and I are almost to the point of giving in and allowing him to go back to live with his mom, hoping against hope that it will help him, and knowing in our hearts it probably won't. This would be bad on so many levels, but he's refusing to do anything with us to attempt to be successful.
I cried last night even thinking about it. I feel like we're giving up on him. He's already given up, how much worse will it be if he knows the two people pushing him to be successful have also given up?
I talked with my brother and dad yesterday - they are both unsure of a different direction we could go to help him any more than we already have.
I had an idea that might work - kind of a hail mary so to speak - so I'm going to ask for help in thinking this through:
Rowdy's biggest complaint is he hates school. He doesn't struggle when he does the work, I'm positive that he's just bored stiff. But he is also lazy and doesn't want to do harder work that AP courses would require - plus he doesn't have the grades to support the school putting him in those classes.
What if we offer this option: Finish the school year with all of your grades passing to where you will be classified as a senior when the year ends. If he does that - we will allow him to take the GED and skip his final year of school. If he stays with us, he will be required to get a job and pay his bills like LaLa does, but he'll have a lot more freedom than he does now. If he doesn't pass, we'll let him reap his actions, allow him to fail and struggle, but still have requirements on him just like we do now.
The reality is - if he passes the GED, he'll immediately move in with his mom. But at that point, we did everything we could to set him up for success by at least making sure he had his GED at the very least. What he does after that is his choice.
Thoughts? Pros? More importantly....Cons?
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 7, 2015 13:55:44 GMT -5
I'm afraid getting that GED won't help him much. I know finances are tight or I'd suggest boarding school. One in the middle of nowhere. My mom looked into one for her stepson but balked at the cost. Would have been the best thing for him. As it was, she managed to get him into the military. He's still a piece of work but he has a job in a prison, where he probably abuses inmates. He needs alternative school or a trade school program. Do you have anything that's the equivalent of our PTEC? It teaches AC repair and other trades but still is a high school. What does his school suggest?
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 7, 2015 14:03:28 GMT -5
We have trade programs (like mechanics, construction, nursing school, travel/tourism, etc) through the school, but they require the students to be current in their course credits. Because he failed so many classes last year, he doesn't qualify for the trade classes. Instead, they put him in a class that is specifically made for kids to make up failed credits. It's all computer based and he just has to listen to the lessons, do the work and he "recovers" the credit. I'm not sure where he's at currently in that class as it doesn't post grades. But if that class is anything like the classes he's failing, he's behind there as well (pretty sure that's the class he's been skipping that he lied about and claimed they pulled him out of).
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 7, 2015 14:14:25 GMT -5
I'm positive Rowdy has ADD. I've talked to both his parents about it in the past. Both were less than encouraging about it for different reasons.
DH might be more now that he's on the meds himself, but hasn't made any effort in getting him in to see the doctor. (I brought it up about 2 months ago - probably time I bring it up again.)
I have talked to Rowdy about it - he waffles between: Yes, it will help him and he's willing to try. No! He will refuse to take any medication, there's nothing wrong with him, it's everyone else's problem.
I can only help to a point since I'm step-mom - DH has to take the lead on this!
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Post by Works4me on Feb 7, 2015 14:21:40 GMT -5
IIRC, won't he be 18 soon? I think that the situation there is so terrible that for many reasons he should not be allowed to move back there until he is of legal age.
It seems to me that, realistically, the most that he could possibly accomplish by then, would be to pass his GED. If he chooses to move in with his mother at that point, it is his choice and his responsibility.
ETA - with children like Rowdy, sometimes all one can do is to get then to 18 and then let go.
I also think that it is entirely possible that he would want to come back home to you at that point. In irder for everyone to survive and thrive, it will be necessary to have some rules or guidelines in place.
i am glad to hear that LaLa, Monkey, and Buddy are doing well and that you and Hun are continuing to work thing through.
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 7, 2015 14:24:51 GMT -5
Kara! It's so good to see you posting, and with mostly good news! Yay!
I know you guys have really tried with Rowdy. Unfortunately, if he's not willing to put out the effort there's not a lot you can do. I think you've got a good idea to offer. It's up to him, though, to pick up the ball and run with it. Now that DH is on meds and noticing his own improvements, perhaps input from him will help Rowdy understand. Still, it's on Rowdy, I'm afraid. All the best. I hope things work out for him.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 7, 2015 14:40:23 GMT -5
He turns 17 in May - so still another year to go before he's 18. I agree, moving in with his mom would be terrible - the area she lives in is not good at all. I've only been there once and Rowdy pointed out what he believed to be drug dealers on the corner, 3 doors down, and the house where someone had been shot 4 doors in the other direction (I kept the doors locked the entire time I was there - it was at night, and a little scary!). The girls commented that whenever they go over there to visit, something is always on fire (car or structure) in the area. It is a bad bad area of town - even my dad was shocked to hear where she lived, he thought she was somewhere else. DH and I agree - if he does move in with her, he'll be back at some point (he's stubborn, so it's anyone's guess how long it would take him). At that point, we will have more control because there will be rules in place and we can say "take or leave it - there's the door". The one thing that is in our favor with Rowdy - if the lesson hits him hard enough, he learns from it and doesn't do it again. When he ran away that one night (several years ago), he did it on a day just like today: warm, in the upper 60's-70's, but the nights drop down into the 40's. He wore shorts and a t-shirt to school that day - no jacket and no jeans. He spent the night outside. When the police found him the next day, his skin was ice cold and he was starving (no food either for over 24 hours). He used to threaten to always run away when he didn't like something we said or did - he's not threatened that since.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 7, 2015 19:05:43 GMT -5
Okay - so the meeting with Rowdy's mom is now over.
Surprise, surprise - her boyfriend/fiance did not show up (they've been together for a while now, I still have not met him). When we were leaving, DH mentioned to me, "I wonder why he didn't come?" I pointed out to him that he really is a guy and really is dense! Her tone of voice, plus body language, coupled with the fact that she was late told me that she wasn't happy with him at all! When she said down, she tersely said, "He's not coming". My best guess is he refused to come - probably something along the lines of "not my kid, not my problem - you deal with it".
We talked for an hour.
About 30 minutes of it was her trying to (calmly - since we were in public at a McDonalds) blame us for all of Rowdy's problems. She puts all of the blame for Rowdy's problems straight on me, with DH thrown in for good measure. That of course he'd grow up "struggling" if he didn't have his mom there with him. And if he hadn't been "taken away to somewhere he didn't want to go, then these issues wouldn't be issues now".
We kept trying to redirect the conversation back to - how are we going to help him? He's responsible for this situation, not anything we did or didn't do in the past. We can't change the past, how can we make it better going forward?
I know where Rowdy gets his denial habit from.....
She hesitantly brought up him coming to live with her. It wasn't how I imagined her bringing it up though. She didn't insist on it. She didn't push for it. She just stated, "I KNOW he would do better with me." We pointed out that she couldn't guarantee that. She just shrugged and said she knew he would.
To be honest - I don't think she wants him to move in with her - then he would be her problem instead of sitting on the sidelines pointing the blame at us and she would have to take responsibility for him.
I then brought up my idea of allowing him to get his GED early. At first she balked and said that the state wouldn't allow him to unless he was 18. I brought up the website (that I had already researched) and told her the requirements for him getting it at 17:
17-Year-Old Test-Takers To qualify for an age exception, a 17-year-old must:
have a government (national or foreign) issued photo ID (see above for ID requirements); have proof of Texas residency (see above for residency requirements); verify you are not currently enrolled in school (unless enrolled in an approved in-school High School Equivalency Program); not have an accredited high school diploma; and have parent or guardian permission.
The only thing going against us is the "not currently enrolled in school" - but if he finishes the school year, we might be able to "skirt" that requirement on a technicality.
She agreed with this approach. I got the impression that she was glad that we had another suggestion rather than him moving in with her. I could be totally off base....my intuition tells me otherwise.
We're supposed to meet up again tomorrow (at McDonald's again), with Rowdy to discuss this option with him. We're going to put a contract together for all 4 of us to sign. When we've tried this approach in the past, Rowdy's actually followed through on what he agreed to.
Fingers crossed for us!
(Ironically - I'm leaving to go to a graduation of one of my cousin's kids who graduated off-cycle. He's truly struggled in school with learning - not just refusing to do the work like Rowdy - and we're really proud of him and his accomplishments! I'll be back later!)
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Post by Sharon on Feb 7, 2015 20:07:49 GMT -5
Kara I wonder if bio-Mom's boyfriend has told her that Rowdy will not be living with them and she doesn't want to admit that.
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Post by taz157 on Feb 7, 2015 20:20:53 GMT -5
Kara I wonder if bio-Mom's boyfriend has told her that Rowdy will not be living with them and she doesn't want to admit that.
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Post by taz157 on Feb 7, 2015 20:21:28 GMT -5
Good luck tomorrow with Rowdy.
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Post by swasat on Feb 8, 2015 0:17:11 GMT -5
KaraBoo, all i have to say is I have such utmost admiration for you! I would be a basket case with all the stress you seem to manage on a day to day basis. You do it with such grace and with so much love for the step kids. To be perfectly honest, my own 2 kids drive me nuts some days and I question my decision to have kids Honestly. And here you handle so much with so much dignity.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 0:25:54 GMT -5
Kara I wonder if bio-Mom's boyfriend has told her that Rowdy will not be living with them and she doesn't want to admit that. I strongly suspect this as well. On the way to the graduation party, I commented to DH - I really hope the boyfriend didn't say that in front of Rowdy! I wasn't aware of it until right before the meeting (had laid down to take a nap), but she picked Rowdy up from our house first and then took him to hers before coming to meet with us. So Rowdy was there when she left to come talk with us. It is highly likely/possible that he is aware of whatever happened to make her mad at the boyfriend. I can't control that and I can't fix it if it did happen - it just makes me incredibly sad for him.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 0:38:34 GMT -5
KaraBoo, all i have to say is I have such utmost admiration for you! I would be a basket case with all the stress you seem to manage on a day to day basis. You do it with such grace and with so much love for the step kids. To be perfectly honest, my own 2 kids drive me nuts some days and I question my decision to have kids Honestly. And here you handle so much with so much dignity. You are too kind! Believe me - I am not always this dignified! LOL! There are days I just want to run away from it all, tell DH the whole lot is his problem and drop off the face of the earth! It has also helped tremendously that my doctor doubled my anti-depressant medication. I have a feeling I won't be going off of it any time soon. What's worse - I can't drink on the meds at all - I feel like I drank all night after just one drink and feel like I have the hangover from hell. Not cool when trying to cope with stubborn teenagers! It should be my god-given right to be able to drink to deal with this!!!
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 8, 2015 0:40:42 GMT -5
Poor Rowdy is really getting some lessons in how rough life can be. In the end, it will help him but it's sure not easy while you're learning it. I sounds like his bio-mother is more interested in herself than in Rowdy. If her BF didn't care enough to come along to discuss the boy's future, I can tell you for sure he wouldn't be my BF! I feel for him, too, Kara, but you and your DH are doing the best you can with a bad situation. All you can do is hope Rowdy can see through all the mess to what's important for his future. That's not easy for a kid his age as they rarely think much about the future. They tend to live in the moment.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 8, 2015 7:12:59 GMT -5
There's still so much stigma applied to a GED. It's be better for him to repeat than do that route. Plus, a lot of struggling students including my own cousin have told me the GED is harder than real high school. She never did pass the test although she lied to everyone and said she did. I'd make it that he has to take ADD meds for 6 months and then revisit the whole issue again. Ugh, he had to spend time with the boyfriend? Awkward because given what you say about her, he's no treat
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Post by suesinfl on Feb 8, 2015 8:29:36 GMT -5
Great to hear from you Kara!!
I know that the GED is not the way you want to go, but at least he will have something to show for HS, which is better than nothing. At least when he gets his life straight, he will be able to attend a trade school or college with the GED. It may also mean a change in him as he will have completed something successfully. While I know that you would like to see him graduate HS, with the way he is struggling, he may not. I don’t think that pushing him to keep taking classes that he will repeatedly fail, will be good for him or the rest of your family with the stress that it will cause. I’m thinking that mom doesn’t really want him to live with her because of the responsibility and either she will kick him out or he will leave on his own once they realize that it will not be all sunshine and roses. Plus the BF may make life hell for both of them. Hopefully, he will realize that there is so much more to life than just hanging with friends and doing nothing productive. I’m sure that the positive changes he sees in the family will make him want to be a part of those changes. He just may need some time to make sure the changes will continue and not backslide. I really wish that I could give you the same help that you have given me in the past in dealing with my kids and their father. Best of luck to all of you!
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 8, 2015 9:50:04 GMT -5
I still say ask him to try the meds for 6 months, then revisit.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 13:37:23 GMT -5
There's still so much stigma applied to a GED. It's be better for him to repeat than do that route. Plus, a lot of struggling students including my own cousin have told me the GED is harder than real high school. She never did pass the test although she lied to everyone and said she did. I'd make it that he has to take ADD meds for 6 months and then revisit the whole issue again. Ugh, he had to spend time with the boyfriend? Awkward because given what you say about her, he's no treat Zib - at this point, there isn't as much stigma as you think any more. Maybe in your circles it is different, but people are starting to realize that public education is so cookie cutter, that in some cases the set up is detrimental to a child's well being. Not everyone is cut out for formal school and would be miserable being forced to go to college. That is why so many parents are starting to home-school, or do on-line school, or seek alternatives for their children. They realize that how education is currently set up is not working for "their" child(ren). I believe at this point, Rowdy is the same way. Even though he's being stubborn - and if he had been born to me instead of my step-son things would be different - where he's at right now is just not working for him. Us trying to force his square peg into a round hole is making him resentful and us frustrated. It's past time to find an alternate route for him. At the party last night, I talked to several family members who know Rowdy. They all agreed that it is frustrating and that the preference is for him to finish high school. However, they also see his and our frustrations and think this route just might work. They are being cautiously optimistic - with some reality thrown in as well. Their biggest question was - what if you make this agreement with him and he doesn't follow through? He's well known in the family for not following through. DH's and my response were - then we're right back to where we started now and we allow him to reap the consequences of his choices - he fails and he has no one to blame but himself at that point.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 13:43:07 GMT -5
I'm going to throw the ADD medication into the mix as well, but I'm not going to make it part of the contract unless they agree to it. I'm trying to type the first rough draft to the contract now. I'll post it to get feed back and suggestions. The agreement when we left mom yesterday was that I'd have the contract typed up on the computer for everyone to read, make changes to, etc until all were happy with the final. Then we'd go to our house so she could visit with Monkey, while I printed the contract off for all to sign. I plan on also scanning the contract and printing off a copy for everyone - with the signatures - so everyone has access to it whenever they want. <sigh> The lengths I go through!
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Post by Works4me on Feb 8, 2015 14:00:00 GMT -5
Question - if Rowdy adheres to the contract and earns his GED, will he really be able to move in with his mother? Is it possible and is there space there for him?
Also, as nice as it sounds for her to visit with Monkey, I really think this needs to be about Rowdy and only about Rowdy.
It sounds like the best plan possible and I hope it works. You are truly amazing!
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Post by stillmovingforward on Feb 8, 2015 15:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 15:29:33 GMT -5
Question - if Rowdy adheres to the contract and earns his GED, will he really be able to move in with his mother? Is it possible and is there space there for him? Also, as nice as it sounds for her to visit with Monkey, I really think this needs to be about Rowdy and only about Rowdy. It sounds like the best plan possible and I hope it works. You are truly amazing! For your first set of questions - No (not easily), No (again, not easily) and No. I have the contract done - you'll see what I mean in a moment. The visiting with Monkey is only so I can get the approved contract printed out and signed by everyone. We (bio mom and DH and I) already discussed that we're concerned that this move might affect her (Monkey) negatively - which is why we're doing the bulk of the conversation away from the home and at a McDonald's.
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 15:40:39 GMT -5
Education Agreement This agreement is being made in good faith between Rowdy (bio-son and step-son, a minor), Jetsam (bio-mom, an adult), Hun (bio-dad, an adult) and Karaboo (step-mom, an adult). The adults in this agreement recognize and agree that the situation that Rowdy is in with school is the result of his actions and/or inactions and the responsibility of those actions and/or inactions falls squarely back onto Rowdy. The adults in Rowdy’s life have repeatedly offered assistance in various forms, included but not limited to, summer school, tutoring assistance, and help with homework. The utilization of these offers to help by Rowdy have either been non-existent or met with resistance. As a final attempt to help Rowdy complete his high school education as dictated by society, the adults in this agreement have discussed and agreed to the following plan: IF Rowdy completes ALL coursework as requested by EACH class the teacher; AND IF Rowdy attends ALL classes as scheduled (unless absence is previously approved by an adult listed above); AND IF Rowdy shows proper and expected behavior in class, on school property, during school events and towards ALL educators and adults in the education setting, including the adults listed in this agreement at ALL times; AND IF Rowdy finishes the current school year with the education credit equivalent as a Senior; AND IF the adults listed above receive NO more notices (regardless of notice type – phone, text, email, mail) that Rowdy is not complying with ANY of the stipulations outlined above; THEN The adults in this agreement have agreed to allow Rowdy to take the High School Equivalency Test (GED) the summer of 2015, or as soon as a testing date is available after completing the above requirements, and allow him to forego his senior year of High School. Once the GED is obtained by Rowdy, he will have the option of completing his senior year with his friends, along with all associated experiences of a senior about to graduate without the pressure of grades, OR Rowdy may choose to skip his senior year and will be REQUIRED to complete the additional steps outlined below. Cancellation of Above Contract; IF Rowdy does not complete the requirements as set forth above; the adults in this agreement will allow Rowdy to experience the consequences of his choices. This includes, but is not limited to, failing classes, not paying for additional summer school, being held back in school and not graduating with fellow classmates. Additionally; Hun and Karaboo agree to the following, IF Rowdy complies with all stipulations outlined above: IF Rowdy finishes the current school year with the education credit equivalent as a Senior, AND Rowdy continues to reside at _____ Street (fyi - our house), THEN Hun and Karaboo agree to assist Rowdy in getting his driving permit/license. IF Rowdy receives his driving permit/license, AND Rowdy continues to reside at ____ Street, THEN Hun and Karaboo will pay all associated vehicle insurance and fees (NOT including traffic tickets, fines or arrests) until Rowdy has gained sufficient employment and has been employed for 45 days. For the purpose of this contract, residing at ____ Street is defined as sleeping at _____ Street for a MINIMUM of 5 nights per week until Rowdy reaches the age of 18 years old. Exceptions to this clause will only be made at the sole discretion of Hun and/or Karaboo. IF Rowdy does not abide by the additional stipulations listed below, the above agreements by Hun and Karaboo are null and void immediately. Additionally; IF Rowdy finishes the current school year with the education credit equivalent as a Senior; AND IF Rowdy continues to reside at _____ Street; AND IF Rowdy receives his driver’s license, THEN Rowdy agrees to diligently apply for jobs until sufficient employment is gained to cover listed living expenses (below). ONCE Rowdy is employed, AND IF Rowdy continues to reside at _____ Street, ALL vehicle expenses (included but not limited to insurance, gas, repairs) become the responsibility of Rowdy. Exceptions to this clause will only be made at the sole discretion of Hun and/or Karaboo. Living Expenses are defined as: • Vehicle expenses • Proportionate part of phone bill • All clothing • Personal care needs • Entertainment expenses not currently paid for by Hun and Karaboo • Additional food and household supplies not currently purchased by Hun and Karaboo Cancellation of Contract; IF, at any point before the age of 18, Rowdy fails to comply with the residing requirement at ______ Street, then any agreements put forth by Hun and Karaboo will immediately be cancelled and all associated benefits will immediately end. Revision of Contract; IF, at any point, any of the associated parties of this contract wish to change any portion of this contract, a meeting of all parties must be called, and all must be in attendance. IF, any changes are agreed to, it will be comprised of 100% agreement by all parties, reached by way of respectful compromise, and changes will be made in writing and agreed to with signatures by all parties. What do you think??
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Post by KaraBoo on Feb 8, 2015 15:48:01 GMT -5
Since we will be reviewing the contract at 4pm today, Rowdy and Jetsam have the opportunity to include their own clauses into the contract. These are the things Hun and I agree with. Nothing will be put into the agreement that EVERYONE does not agree to. If either of them do not agree to what is outlined above, we'll work to reach a compromise that is acceptable to EVERYONE. I'm not about to sign a contract with either of them if something is in there that I don't agree with.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 8, 2015 16:17:54 GMT -5
Dayum, Karaboo. You work really, really hard.
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Post by justme on Feb 8, 2015 16:25:41 GMT -5
You can go to high school after you get your GED? That seems odd.
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Post by taz157 on Feb 8, 2015 16:27:38 GMT -5
The agreement sounds good to me. Sounds fair.
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