Florida strikes again- on teen sex- selective prosecution?

[EVT1]

Aug 29, 2013 14:12:30 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 22, 2013 15:29:57 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

It's not 4 years-it's a hair over 3. 

But what I can say is if we prosecuted every HS senior for having sex with a freshman or sophmore
- do we have enough jail space?

At least you agree it isn't molestation- she broke the law and will get punished for it- and apparently I am the lone opinion that the law is bad.  Terms like sexual predator, pedophile, child molester actually mean specific things and the people on here using those terms need to do their homework.

Well, like I said- I turned 18 in the fall of my senior year of high school, and I KNEW what that meant in Illinois. We don't prosecute ALL, we only prosecute those who get caught. And again, for the male of the species- we all KNOW what we're in for if we got caught. Some chose to take the risks, I didn't.

If anything times have changed to the point where the laws should be more stringent. When Florida made the age of consent 16, it was at a time when finishing high school wasn't a forgone conclusion and someone may drop out, get a job- or already have a job- and get married at 16.

Biblical scholars speculate that Mary may have been as young as 14.

Today, probably unfortunately, 16 is as far away from adulthood as 10 or 12. The age of consent has more to do with pubes, boobs, and blood flow. It has to do with emotional maturity, decision making prowess and power. I frankly think Florida should raise the age of consent to 18 for sex with anyone 18 years and older. And no, it doesn't frankly matter if they were 16 and 17 when things started, and now they're 17 and 18. Tough shit- think it through before you begin a relationship-- or have exceptions for emancipated minors and marriage.

Dude- 18 today is barely adulthood from what I have seen. I had a part time job at 16, had an apartment at 18 working full time and going to college. I worked two jobs for around 6 years and paid my way through school. Nevertheless- I dated a few girls in the  FL danger zone- as in under 16- when I was 18.  It was senior/sophomore and nobody- including parents- had a problem.  And really- if you look at modern relationships- how many people are within 2 years of age of each other?  About none! 

But let's agree for once- can we agree that a pedophile is a sexual deviant attracted to pre-pubescent children? Can we agree that a child molester is a shitbag- and horrifically normally a family member that preys on young family members?

How can anyone with a working brain equate some HS relationship with this kind of degenerate behavior?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 29, 2013 23:06:30 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Aug 29, 2013 14:12:30 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Well, like I said- I turned 18 in the fall of my senior year of high school, and I KNEW what that meant in Illinois. We don't prosecute ALL, we only prosecute those who get caught. And again, for the male of the species- we all KNOW what we're in for if we got caught. Some chose to take the risks, I didn't.

If anything times have changed to the point where the laws should be more stringent. When Florida made the age of consent 16, it was at a time when finishing high school wasn't a forgone conclusion and someone may drop out, get a job- or already have a job- and get married at 16.

Biblical scholars speculate that Mary may have been as young as 14.

Today, probably unfortunately, 16 is as far away from adulthood as 10 or 12. The age of consent has more to do with pubes, boobs, and blood flow. It has to do with emotional maturity, decision making prowess and power. I frankly think Florida should raise the age of consent to 18 for sex with anyone 18 years and older. And no, it doesn't frankly matter if they were 16 and 17 when things started, and now they're 17 and 18. Tough shit- think it through before you begin a relationship-- or have exceptions for emancipated minors and marriage.

Dude- 18 today is barely adulthood from what I have seen. I had a part time job at 16, had an apartment at 18 working full time and going to college. I worked two jobs for around 6 years and paid my way through school. Nevertheless- I dated a few girls in the  FL danger zone- as in under 16- when I was 18.  It was senior/sophomore and nobody- including parents- had a problem.  And really- if you look at modern relationships- how many people are within 2 years of age of each other?  About none! 

But let's agree for once- can we agree that a pedophile is a sexual deviant attracted to pre-pubescent children? Can we agree that a child molester is a shitbag- and horrifically normally a family member that preys on young family members?

How can anyone with a working brain equate some HS relationship with this kind of degenerate behavior?

I GET that age is an issue in "high school relationships" - I get that it happens.  My point is that the 18 year olds know, or should know the law.  Ignorance is not an excuse.  The fact that most don't get caught, or in your case the parents didn't care has absolutely no bearing on the law.

A pedophile must be attracted to pre-pubescent children? So no child past puberty can be the victim of a pedophile? No, I won't agree to that.  I think a molester is, what the law defines as a molester.  It is an adult having sex- even so-called "consensual" sex with a minor.  Period.  Because by law, a minor may not consent.

I don't necessarily equate a Senior - Freshmen relationship with pedophilia.  What I do equate with pedophilia is what this offender did, and continues to do:  she identifies a weak victim, and manipulates and preys upon them without regard to their own, or even her own well being.  People who will risk something for principle are one kind of person, but people who engage- almost as if unable to control themselves, or have any capacity to govern themselves whatsoever- in behavior so detrimental to themselves, and others are worrisome to me.

I think when you've reached the point where you realize that you've crossed a line, you've had a brush with a potentially VERY long prison term, it is at that point that someone who is not a pedophile or a degenerate of some kind is able to step back, get ahold of themselves, and properly evaluate the decision and make corrections.  This girl is completely unable to control herself.  She is, by definition, out of control.  She committed a serious offense- whether you agree with the law or not, there's no debating this- she got caught and charged with a crime that could ruin her whole life.  She managed to pull a successful "squeaky wheel" campaign and was handed an incredibly easy deal- one simple to comply with, and she couldn't manage to follow the direction of the courts- let alone abide by the terms of the deal she was offered.  It is this about her that concerns me.  

Can we agree at least that even if I were to concede that she was the victim the first go-round, she is most certainly not the victim now?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Aug 29, 2013 19:56:24 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 29, 2013 19:49:12 GMT -5 frankq said:

I guess this asswipe never learned the "guy equation". For a guy to find a woman of the perfect age at any time in his life, take the guy's age, divide by two and add 10. Never fails. 

That puts paul's perfect mate around 31 years old.  The same age he states he has no interest.

So much for your theory.

Suffice it to say Paul is an odd bird who would not be surprised, or offended at the fact that most guys would disagree with me that 35 to 45 is about the perfect age for a woman.  Unless Paul is married- which he is, making the perfect age his own age plus a couple months.  I'm at the age now where there's no longer any point lying about my wife's age.  Most people naturally assume I didn't marry her when she was 12.  I grew up in Illinois, not Montana.

[EVT1]

Aug 29, 2013 23:35:58 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Aug 29, 2013 23:06:30 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Dude- 18 today is barely adulthood from what I have seen. I had a part time job at 16, had an apartment at 18 working full time and going to college. I worked two jobs for around 6 years and paid my way through school. Nevertheless- I dated a few girls in the  FL danger zone- as in under 16- when I was 18.  It was senior/sophomore and nobody- including parents- had a problem.  And really- if you look at modern relationships- how many people are within 2 years of age of each other?  About none! 

But let's agree for once- can we agree that a pedophile is a sexual deviant attracted to pre-pubescent children? Can we agree that a child molester is a shitbag- and horrifically normally a family member that preys on young family members?

How can anyone with a working brain equate some HS relationship with this kind of degenerate behavior?

I GET that age is an issue in "high school relationships" - I get that it happens.  My point is that the 18 year olds know, or should know the law.  Ignorance is not an excuse.  The fact that most don't get caught, or in your case the parents didn't care has absolutely no bearing on the law.

A pedophile must be attracted to pre-pubescent children? So no child past puberty can be the victim of a pedophile? No, I won't agree to that.  I think a molester is, what the law defines as a molester.  It is an adult having sex- even so-called "consensual" sex with a minor.  Period.  Because by law, a minor may not consent.

I don't necessarily equate a Senior - Freshmen relationship with pedophilia.  What I do equate with pedophilia is what this offender did, and continues to do:  she identifies a weak victim, and manipulates and preys upon them without regard to their own, or even her own well being.  People who will risk something for principle are one kind of person, but people who engage- almost as if unable to control themselves, or have any capacity to govern themselves whatsoever- in behavior so detrimental to themselves, and others are worrisome to me.

I think when you've reached the point where you realize that you've crossed a line, you've had a brush with a potentially VERY long prison term, it is at that point that someone who is not a pedophile or a degenerate of some kind is able to step back, get ahold of themselves, and properly evaluate the decision and make corrections.  This girl is completely unable to control herself.  She is, by definition, out of control.  She committed a serious offense- whether you agree with the law or not, there's no debating this- she got caught and charged with a crime that could ruin her whole life.  She managed to pull a successful "squeaky wheel" campaign and was handed an incredibly easy deal- one simple to comply with, and she couldn't manage to follow the direction of the courts- let alone abide by the terms of the deal she was offered.  It is this about her that concerns me.  

Can we agree at least that even if I were to concede that she was the victim the first go-round, she is most certainly not the victim now?

I am not agruing this girl has not fucked up left and right, that her lawyer made the right choice. But a pedophile is freaking defined by being attracted to those who have not reached puberty- it is a mental conditon.  Same with sexual predators. She doesn't fit.

[pappyjohn99]

But let's agree for once- can we agree that a pedophile is a sexual deviant attracted to pre-pubescent children?

Conceded. I accept that definition.

Can we agree that a child molester is a shitbag- and horrifically normally a family member that preys on young family members?

Yes, shitbags that should burn. But I think that a neighbor that preys on a tween or young teen girl next door, or one he meets at the park, or the mall, is a molester as well.

Let me lay this out. Did Miss Hunt harm this young girl by making out with her and slipping her a finger? I doubt it. Did the young girl participate freely and enjoy it? Probably. Are there similar situations happening all over the country every day, even as we speak? No doubt. But look around, things in this country are seriously jacked up. Shall we let the children run the world or as the adults should we say enough is enough?

[Value Buy]

Here I northwest Indiana, we have a former middle school teacher going through a trial for multiple sexting with female students. Pictures include his genitals to the girls.
Prosecutors worked out a plea deal with no jail time.
The Judge has taken it under advisement, but the hope is she throws it out
How the prosecutor ever agreed to this easy plea, I cannot comprehend.

www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Sexting-Teacher-Agrees-to-Plea-Deal-222419851.html

Local hearsay is he had sex with one of the students, two weeks before she turned 16 (legal consent in Indiana) but, has not been brought out in the trial.
He was fired from the teaching position after the initial investigation.

My thoughts? Long, long, jail sentence. Hopefully the Judge throws out the plea agreement. 

[EVT1]

Because a teacher having sex with a student is exactly like a student having sex with a student..... Is there no end to stupid?

[zibazinski]

If it didn't happen in Florida, it doesn't count. Don't you know that by now? Oh, the teacher must have formerly taught in Florida or maybe visited there one time.

[pappyjohn99]

Kaitlyn takes a plea.


news.msn.com/crime-justice/gay-student-accepts-plea-deal-in-sex-crime-case

"Kaitlyn Hunt is accepting the plea deal in her best interest as well as that of her family, the 'victim' and the 'victim's' family," Graves said. "It is time to enter a plea given the current state of the law and get back to living a somewhat normal life without fear of the unknown for everyone involved.

Under the deal, Hunt entered no contest pleas to a series of charges including misdemeanor battery and felony interference with child custody.

The deal calls for Hunt, who has been held in jail since late August, to remain in jail until December 20, followed by three years of felony supervision. If Hunt adheres to the conditions of her release, she will not be branded a convicted felon or registered sex offender and can ask for her case to be sealed or expunged.


I think she got off easy.

[zibazinski]

No shit. Shame on the prosecution.