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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:11:21 GMT -5
I didnt see where it was a 'delicate' sense that was offended. Could you tell me what the offense was? He ran to management rather than handling it like an adult (which means either leaving the party, leaving the room where the drunk guy was or setting the guy straight). That tells me he is a delicate flower. I don't know the guy obviously, but I sense a very weak individual. Kidn of like the kid in elementary school who has to run and tattle to the teacher over everyone little thing the other kids do. No one likes a tattler. I'm assuming nothing illegal was happening otherwise he would have called the cops immediately. Outside of something illegal, he handled it like a weeny.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:11:53 GMT -5
I didnt see where it was a 'delicate' sense that was offended. Could you tell me what the offense was? He ran to management rather than handling it like an adult (which means either leaving the party, leaving the room where the drunk guy was or setting the guy straight). That tells me he is a delicate flower. I don't know the guy obviously, but I sense a very weak individual. Kidn of like the kid in elementary school who has to run and tattle to the teacher over everyone little thing the other kids do. No one likes a tattler. I'm assuming nothing illegal was happening otherwise he would have called the cops immediately. Outside of something illegal, he handled it like a weeny.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
::If I hang out with my co-workers off-the-clock as friends, then I absolutely do not think they have the right to run to management because I did something that offends their delicate senses.::
The very first problem though, is that your "if" does not apply to this situation. They were not all off the clock as friends.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:15:11 GMT -5
::If I hang out with my co-workers off-the-clock as friends, then I absolutely do not think they have the right to run to management because I did something that offends their delicate senses.:: The very first problem though, is that your "if" does not apply to this situation. They were not all off the clock as friends. Ok...do you think the guy that went whining really understood that this guy was technically still on-the-clock? he still made a weenie move by complaining.
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Post by souldoubt on May 8, 2013 15:18:59 GMT -5
I realize it's a messageboard and we make assumptions all day but to simply say someone is a wimp when we don't know what was said is kind of a stretch. If anything I think the offendee should have taken it up with MMC when he had the chance at the party but again who knows what was said. Regardless what you say and do off the clock can come back to bite you in the ass albeit not usually in a situation like this. At my current job I don't really do much with co-workers outside of work because I don't want to be there when people get drunk and act like idiots when I have to see them 9-5 5 days a week.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:21:11 GMT -5
::If I hang out with my co-workers off-the-clock as friends, then I absolutely do not think they have the right to run to management because I did something that offends their delicate senses.:: The very first problem though, is that your "if" does not apply to this situation. They were not all off the clock as friends. Ok...do you think the guy that went whining really understood that this guy was technically still on-the-clock? he still made a weenie move by complaining. I agree with you on the "weenie move", I'm disagreeing with you on the "doesn't have a right to go to management". There's a difference between my personal feelings about actions and what someone has a right to.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:25:42 GMT -5
I don't care how you slice it, even if the person on travel was 'technically' on the clock, this whole incident never should have been considered as something that happened while at work. I'm on travel in 2 weeks and if we're all out at dinner and someone acts inappropriately towards me, I'll cal them on it but I would never consider going to somebody at work about it. If we're at a meeting during work hours, then yes, I may go to manaement or HR.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:32:58 GMT -5
::I don't care how you slice it, even if the person on travel was 'technically' on the clock, this whole incident never should have been considered as something that happened while at work.::
One person is working, one is not, is that the line by which we should separate things?
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:34:25 GMT -5
::I'm on travel in 2 weeks and if we're all out at dinner and someone acts inappropriately towards me, I'll cal them on it but I would never consider going to somebody at work about it. ::
Does your company have the policy in place that states you rtravel time is still work time. And I think there can be a difference (if only a small one) to distinguish if someone does something toward you while you are on work time, and waht your actions are while YOU are on work time.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:37:31 GMT -5
I don't care how you slice it, even if the person on travel was 'technically' on the clock, this whole incident never should have been considered as something that happened while at work. I'm on travel in 2 weeks and if we're all out at dinner and someone acts inappropriately towards me, I'll cal them on it but I would never consider going to somebody at work about it. If we're at a meeting during work hours, then yes, I may go to manaement or HR.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:38:07 GMT -5
::I'm on travel in 2 weeks and if we're all out at dinner and someone acts inappropriately towards me, I'll cal them on it but I would never consider going to somebody at work about it. :: Does your company have the policy in place that states you rtravel time is still work time. And I think there can be a difference (if only a small one) to distinguish if someone does something toward you while you are on work time, and waht your actions are while YOU are on work time. I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2013 15:38:47 GMT -5
If this were a company party, I would be 100% behind the fact that the guy was out-of-line. But he was on his own time, at a party thrown by a friend. I can be as big of an ass as I want when I'm not at work. I shouldn't be able to have my career hurt over it (assuming we are not talking about anything illegal....because a jackass isn't illegal)
But he was NOT on his own time. His living expenses were being paid by the company as he was traveling. He likely was staying at a hotel and renting a car, both at company expense.
This story would be way different had the interaction been between 2 normal employees who WERE on their own clock.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:39:03 GMT -5
I realize it's a messageboard and we make assumptions all day but to simply say someone is a wimp when we don't know what was said is kind of a stretch. If anything I think the offendee should have taken it up with MMC when he had the chance at the party but again who knows what was said. Regardless what you say and do off the clock can come back to bite you in the ass albeit not usually in a situation like this. At my current job I don't really do much with co-workers outside of work because I don't want to be there when people get drunk and act like idiots when I have to see them 9-5 5 days a week. Sorry, I disagree. If someone is so delicate that they are offended by the words of a drunk co-worker, than he/she is a wimp. Blows my mind that anyone thinks it is ok to run to management for somethign that happened at a party.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:39:57 GMT -5
::I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.::
Not everyone gets paid by the hour. So this seems an arbitrary distinction at best.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 8, 2013 15:40:59 GMT -5
I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.
But you are being housed and transported on the company dime.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:42:27 GMT -5
::I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.:: Not everyone gets paid by the hour. So this seems an arbitrary distinction at best. so how do people who are salaried (and I'm an exempt employee but I still get paid for my hours over 80 in a pay period) determine when they are on and off the clock? was the offender on the clock (travel) and the offendee off the clock? what if it was the other way around?
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:42:53 GMT -5
For all of you saying the guy was justified in tattling because the drunk co-worker was technically on the clock...what you have eto say if they were just co-workers hanging out at MMC's with no travel policy to be blamed...would the guy be a giant weenie for tattling or justified in his actions?
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 8, 2013 15:43:53 GMT -5
::I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.:: Not everyone gets paid by the hour. So this seems an arbitrary distinction at best. so how do people who are salaried (and I'm an exempt employee but I still get paid for my hours over 80 in a pay period) determine when they are on and off the clock? was the offender on the clock (travel) and the offendee off the clock? what if it was the other way around? How can you be exempt but get paid overtime? I'm confused... I'm straight salaried so I don't know when the lines cross...but if I'm getting crocked somewhere I'm assuming I'm off the clock
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Post by swamp on May 8, 2013 15:44:09 GMT -5
For all of you saying the guy was justified in tattling because the drunk co-worker was technically on the clock...what you have eto say if they were just co-workers hanging out at MMC's with no travel policy to be blamed...would the guy be a giant weenie for tattling or justified in his actions? giant weenie.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:46:20 GMT -5
::so how do people who are salaried (and I'm an exempt employee but I still get paid for my hours over 80 in a pay period) determine when they are on and off the clock?::
In this case it's easy, the company has a policy about it.
::was the offender on the clock (travel) and the offendee off the clock? what if it was the other way around?::
I'm not sure it matters all that much, but maybe a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:46:37 GMT -5
I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.But you are being housed and transported on the company dime. true....but if someone offends me while we're out at dinner having a few cocktails, I'm not going to report it to management
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:47:37 GMT -5
For all of you saying the guy was justified in tattling because the drunk co-worker was technically on the clock...what you have eto say if they were just co-workers hanging out at MMC's with no travel policy to be blamed...would the guy be a giant weenie for tattling or justified in his actions? Could be either depending on what actually happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:48:40 GMT -5
so how do people who are salaried (and I'm an exempt employee but I still get paid for my hours over 80 in a pay period) determine when they are on and off the clock? was the offender on the clock (travel) and the offendee off the clock? what if it was the other way around? How can you be exempt but get paid overtime? I'm confused... I'm straight salaried so I don't know when the lines cross...but if I'm getting crocked somewhere I'm assuming I'm off the clock that's how my company bills the government, for the actual hours worked.
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:50:32 GMT -5
I have no idea what the official policy is, but if I'm not charging my hours then it's not work time.But you are being housed and transported on the company dime. true....but if someone offends me while we're out at dinner having a few cocktails, I'm not going to report it to management You're on travel to try to sell your widgets to a client. At night, you, the client, and some coworkers in that branch go out to eat and have some drinks socially. While at dinner you start talking about how terrible your widgets really are, how your coworkers suck, and how the company is probably going belly up. Do you think it's appropriate for your coworkers to report you? Or shoudl they just keep their mouth shut because it's "not work time".
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 15:50:46 GMT -5
::so how do people who are salaried (and I'm an exempt employee but I still get paid for my hours over 80 in a pay period) determine when they are on and off the clock?:: In this case it's easy, the company has a policy about it. ::was the offender on the clock (travel) and the offendee off the clock? what if it was the other way around?:: I'm not sure it matters all that much, but maybe a little bit. in MMCs case, only one of the employees was on the clock...how can it be something that happened 'at work' when only one of the parties was 'at work'?
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Post by hoops902 on May 8, 2013 15:54:33 GMT -5
::in MMCs case, only one of the employees was on the clock...how can it be something that happened 'at work' when only one of the parties was 'at work'?::
If he's the one acting inappropriately, it's easy. He's at work, he's acting inappropriately. It doesn't really matter who he's being inappropriate to. Client, coworker, random guy.
If he's the one who's offended it's different a bit. But if you were at work one day, and a coworker with the day off came in, to your desk, and started threatening you, harassing you, etc. Would you really say "eh, they weren't on the clock, it's ok if they do that"?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 20:37:16 GMT -5
I'll tell you the same thing I tell my 9 year old; the problem isn't that someone told on you, it is that you did it in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 20:50:55 GMT -5
For all of you saying the guy was justified in tattling because the drunk co-worker was technically on the clock...what you have eto say if they were just co-workers hanging out at MMC's with no travel policy to be blamed...would the guy be a giant weenie for tattling or justified in his actions? It depends on what the offense was. There are situations where reporting to management is appropriate. There are other situations where reporting it is okay if you can't handle the situation but it is a heads up that you aren't management material yourself since you can't handle this situation. And finally there are situations where you are just being a PITA and asking someone else to fight your battles for you. For example, being out in public dissing the company or sharing sensitive information in a derogatory way is something the company probably should know.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on May 8, 2013 22:20:05 GMT -5
I think there's an assumption that the offense was just in the annoying to obnoxious range. What if the offender--in his drunken state--threatened bodily harm the next time he saw the tattler? At that point, if it were you, wouldn't reporting it HR be a reasonable response instead of giving the police a call?
I'm sorry your poker game has potentially been ruined MMC.
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Post by Shooby on May 9, 2013 5:44:30 GMT -5
For all of you saying the guy was justified in tattling because the drunk co-worker was technically on the clock...what you have eto say if they were just co-workers hanging out at MMC's with no travel policy to be blamed...would the guy be a giant weenie for tattling or justified in his actions? Could be either depending on what actually happened. Well, what actually DID happen? Maybe i missed it.
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