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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2013 8:12:27 GMT -5
To be fair to my mom, she has been nothing but nice to DH since I made it clear her opinion was not well-received. But that was a conversation it would have been best to never have in the first place
No kidding. I certainly understood where my dad was coming from but it was not his business. Some rather mean things were said between us because he couldn't accept I was an adult and it was my decision. We had a HUGE blow out two hours before the wedding.
I sat in the church office and thought about things, nobody would have blamed me if I called off the wedding.
I didn't. I decided it was no one else's f-ing business who I marred and I didn't need to justify it to anyone. We proceeded with the wedding.
My dad did end up coming because he decided his relationship with me was more important than being right. We spent the next couple of years working things out and it was really awkward between my father and DH for a long time.
I knew what I was getting myself into, I wasn't stupid or a "codependent spineless twit" as a poster on here so nicely called me. I decided my life was better with DH in it.
I don't expect anyone to agree with me and in fact have had some quite nasty things said about DH and myself at times.
But here we are five years later, we've worked thru our cap and our marriage is still going strong.
And funny enough, now DH stands to make more than me and rise higher. He drifted thru most of his life and has now found something he really takes pride in and wants to move upwards.
Meanwhile I decided a goal I was working towards my whole life isn't what I want and now I'm drifting trying to figure out what I want to be when I grow up.
It'd make me a hypocrite if I decided that my daughter's fiance was someone less worthy because he made less. There could be other things he contributes. My husband isn't a career superman but he's a fantastic husband and father, that's important to me.
As long as she is going into marriage with ANYONE with her eyes wide open she'll have my acceptance. Maybe not my approval, but she'll be an adult and doesn't need me to approve her decisions anymore.
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 8:19:31 GMT -5
I agree, but I think most people (or at least most YMers) tend to define "ambition" in the employment context only.
Most people I know aren't passionate about their jobs - they want to put in their 40 hours, collect their paycheck, and spend their leisure time focused on hobbies or family. They're happy with a promotion if it comes with a pay raise, but taking on more work for personal/professional fulfillment? No thanks. To many, it seems the lack of desire to climb the ladder equals a lack of ambition. In the OP's example, the only thing indicating the fiance's 'lack of ambition' is the fact that he works at a Dodge dealership making $45K and (I'm assuming) is happy to spend the rest of his life doing the same thing.
Under your definition, as long as he is passionate about something in his life, he IS ambitious, but I'm not sure everyone would agree.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 8:35:43 GMT -5
I personally would not want my kids to marry a minimum wage worker, but I would be ok with them marrying someone with a trade (mechanic, plumber, electrician, etc). My husband and I grew up very poor and it was a miserable way to live. I don't want my kids to ever experience that kind of life so we worked hard to give them a decent middle class life. My husband and I were dirt poor when we got married. Neither of us married beneath our social status (although his ex-wife said I was beneath her....). We were both in college and working hard to make a better life. I would hope my kids would marry for love and not money, but I do realize that they do need to look at the whole picture. Love doesn't pay the bills or put food on the table. Hard work does. I would hope that they really think hard about their potential spouse. I want my kids to be happy. I want them to be loved as much as their father loves me and I love him. I also want them to have a good life where they aren't worried about whether or not they have enough money to pay the light bill AND buy groceries. For the record: I expect MY children to do more in life than work at Wal-Mart or McDonald's. I am fine with them going to trade school and making $45K a year. I would however feel that I failed as a parent if all my kids wanted to do in life was work for minimum wage. Maybe that makes me a snob, I don't know. well join the club apparently a lot of us on here have our noses up in the air but i be damned if i at least wont try to steer my children through decisions that may affect the rest of their life i am not a dictator...they are adults, and can and will choose their own path, but i at least get my two cents in as far as the OP, the mechanic is a great trade, and if he has ambition, is easily a 100k job 10 years down the road most of my comments came from shooby's brain surgeon/walmart cashier comparison....which is not comparable to a mechanic
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Post by kgb18 on May 7, 2013 8:45:37 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yeahthat.gif) I'm curious if the guy in the OP is really unambitious or if he just likes his job. I don't make a lot of money, but I love my job. I work really hard, but it's not a high-paying field. I have a friend from college who is now a doctor. Her husband went to college, has a professional job, but he doesn't make anywhere near what my friend makes. My friend's dad is a doctor. Her parents hated when she started dating her now-husband because, even though he was nice and educated, he didn't make enough money. I thought that was such a snotty attitude. I'm glad she did what she wanted and married him. Her parents really pressured her to break up with him because of money.
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Post by giramomma on May 7, 2013 8:53:56 GMT -5
My dad did end up coming because he decided his relationship with me was more important than being right. Kinda OT, but you are rather fortunate about this. My folks preferred to be "right" rather than have a relationship with me and the kids.
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Post by swasat on May 7, 2013 8:53:59 GMT -5
I personally would not want my kids to marry a minimum wage worker, but I would be ok with them marrying someone with a trade (mechanic, plumber, electrician, etc). My husband and I grew up very poor and it was a miserable way to live. I don't want my kids to ever experience that kind of life so we worked hard to give them a decent middle class life. My husband and I were dirt poor when we got married. Neither of us married beneath our social status (although his ex-wife said I was beneath her....). We were both in college and working hard to make a better life. I would hope my kids would marry for love and not money, but I do realize that they do need to look at the whole picture. Love doesn't pay the bills or put food on the table. Hard work does. I would hope that they really think hard about their potential spouse. I want my kids to be happy. I want them to be loved as much as their father loves me and I love him. I also want them to have a good life where they aren't worried about whether or not they have enough money to pay the light bill AND buy groceries. For the record: I expect MY children to do more in life than work at Wal-Mart or McDonald's. I am fine with them going to trade school and making $45K a year. I would however feel that I failed as a parent if all my kids wanted to do in life was work for minimum wage. Maybe that makes me a snob, I don't know. well join the club apparently a lot of us on here have our noses up in the air but i be damned if i at least wont try to steer my children through decisions that may affect the rest of their life i am not a dictator...they are adults, and can and will choose their own path, but i at least get my two cents in
as far as the OP, the mechanic is a great trade, and if he has ambition, is easily a 100k job 10 years down the road
most of my comments came from shooby's brain surgeon/walmart cashier comparison....which is not comparable to a mechanic I am already a declared snob ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) I agree with you. My comments are based on Shooby's Walmart cashier comments too. For the record I have not expressed any opinion about my neighbors unhappiness. Since everyone is so hung up on the fiance's "ambitions", well here is more info. He is totally non-ambitious. He refused a job offer from local Lexus dealer even though it would have paid him higher and the benefits are much better. The reason: His hours would change from 8-4 to 8-6. I know most of you will say "So what? Maybe he values his life more than extra hours". I do not agree with it though. The Dodge dealership offers tuition assistance. He can choose to go to a trade school or local university or community college and they cover 50% of the tuition. He is totally not interested. He is 32 YO and has been making 45K since he was 25. Doesn't bother him at all. His entire savings amount to 15K. No 401K, no retirement accounts, no home ownership. How do I know all this? We are close to our neighbors. They are like our pseudo parents. There you go....more fodder for discussion ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 8:54:41 GMT -5
But what if he doesn't? What if he's happy to make $45K/year for the rest of his career?
I agree a Wal-Mart cashier is not really comparable to a mechanic, but I know a lot of mechanics and the only ones who are making $100K/year are the ones who went back to school to become engineers. For your typical dealership/shade tree mechanic, $45K - $50K/year is pretty standard... at least in this area.
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Post by 973beachbum on May 7, 2013 8:56:01 GMT -5
it's good to know that a person's worth is directly related to their career ambition and salary. It isn't. But I am old-fashioned enough to not have it in me to support a man. Over time I would resent him...I work because it provides us a nice lifestyle. I do not work because I am one of those "I can't imagine my life without a career"...I CAN imagine my life without my career but I cant' have the lifestyle we want AND a life without my career. So if I'm sucking it up for the better of the family, my husband better damn well do it, too. Tina where I see problems is when the couple don't agree on what level of lifestyle is necessary to their happiness. Not to say that anyone's is bad. If rich is what you want and can make the money to live like that great. If someone is happy living a simple and cheap life more power to them. But if one person wants what only working a high income, and the high hours and stress that comes with it and the other doesn't is when it causes problems IMO. If they talk about what they want and how much it will cost and can agree I don't think their disparate salaries will be a problem. They would need to either decide that they have a combined salary of blank and use it for the family good together or choose to have seperate finances and choose a lifestyle that works for both their wants and salaries. If she wants him to pay half of her McMansion on his modest salary regardless it will be a big problem. I could have sworn I saw a Dear Prudie that had a woman complaining about getting married and her new husband insisting on separate finaces. It wasn't the seperate finances that was killing her it was the way his home and lifestyle was set up to require her to pay 100% of her salary on the mortgage type bills and left her with nothing left for even the littlest want while he was buying new BMW's and living the high life. She knew he made more than her when they got married but she didn't know that meant she would have to pay for half of his lifestyle whether she wanted it or not.
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 8:59:39 GMT -5
well join the club apparently a lot of us on here have our noses up in the air but i be damned if i at least wont try to steer my children through decisions that may affect the rest of their life i am not a dictator...they are adults, and can and will choose their own path, but i at least get my two cents in
as far as the OP, the mechanic is a great trade, and if he has ambition, is easily a 100k job 10 years down the road
most of my comments came from shooby's brain surgeon/walmart cashier comparison....which is not comparable to a mechanic I am already a declared snob ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) I agree with you. My comments are based on Shooby's Walmart cashier comments too. For the record I have not expressed any opinion about my neighbors unhappiness. Since everyone is so hung up on the fiance's "ambitions", well here is more info. He is totally non-ambitious. He refused a job offer from local Lexus dealer even though it would have paid him higher and the benefits are much better. The reason: His hours would change from 8-4 to 8-6. I know most of you will say "So what? Maybe he values his life more than extra hours". I do not agree with it though. The Dodge dealership offers tuition assistance. He can choose to go to a trade school or local university or community college and they cover 50% of the tuition. He is totally not interested. He is 32 YO and has been making 45K since he was 25. Doesn't bother him at all. His entire savings amount to 15K. No 401K, no retirement accounts, no home ownership. How do I know all this? We are close to our neighbors. They are like our pseudo parents. There you go....more fodder for discussion ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) I still think the parents need to stay out of it if they value their relationship with their daughter. It sounds like he does lack ambition. But: 1) they're not the ones who have to live with him; and 2) it's entirely possible he brings other assets to the relationship that are - to the daughter - more important than career ambition or income potential. As long as the daughter is happy and the parents aren't being hit up for loans, it's none of their business.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 9:04:18 GMT -5
It isn't. But I am old-fashioned enough to not have it in me to support a man. Over time I would resent him...I work because it provides us a nice lifestyle. I do not work because I am one of those "I can't imagine my life without a career"...I CAN imagine my life without my career but I cant' have the lifestyle we want AND a life without my career. So if I'm sucking it up for the better of the family, my husband better damn well do it, too. I could have sworn I saw a Dear Prudie that had a woman complaining about getting married and her new husband insisting on separate finaces. It wasn't the seperate finances that was killing her it was the way his home and lifestyle was set up to require her to pay 100% of her salary on the mortgage type bills and left her with nothing left for even the littlest want while he was buying new BMW's and living the high life. She knew he made more than her when they got married but she didn't know that meant she would have to pay for half of his lifestyle whether she wanted it or not. oh, I'd raise a GIGANTIC stink about that.... that just ain't right.
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Post by giramomma on May 7, 2013 9:04:26 GMT -5
apparently a lot of us on here have our noses up in the air but i be damned if i at least wont try to steer my children through decisions that may affect the rest of their life i am not a dictator...they are adults, and can and will choose their own path, but i at least get my two cents in At what cost, though? What's more important? Being right? Or having a relationship with your kids? My folks get upset with me (as in, I will get the silent treatment) if I don't do what the tell me to. I'm almost 40. Also, never mind that I generally don't ask for their advice. Maybe I'm too loosey-goosey. But I want my kids to WANT me around when they are adults. I don't want my kids to spend the obligatory holidays with me simply because they feel they have to. I don't want to drive them away with the message that I know more about how their lives should go than they do. It really is not good having a parent act/think/behave like that.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2013 9:05:27 GMT -5
Kinda OT, but you are rather fortunate about this. My folks preferred to be "right" rather than have a relationship with me and the kids. I know. I was floored when my dad showed up. He even walked me down the aisle and danced with me at the reception. At the time I had accepted the fact I'd probably never speak to my dad again. I owe my best friend a kidney. She was with me when my dad blew up at me over the phone. She kept everything together and got me to the church. He apologized to her too for dragging her into it. His entire savings amount to 15K. No 401K, no retirement accounts, no home ownership
Better than my DH was doing. He wasn't even a Wal-mart cashier, he worked part time in can collection! Part of our behind the closed door discussions nobody else was privy to and I didn't feel needed to be shared was that if he wanted to marry me had to get off his ass and get to work. I didn't expect him to be CEO overnight but full time was a good start. He agreed and moved to Bass Pro. Not the most glamorous or high paying job but he was a very good salesman. Now he's a QA at a meat processing plant. The same job my paternal grandfather did his whole life. DH is shooting for a supervisor position. He's come quite a long way since we met. Another behind the scenes discussion we had was that if he couldn't agree to my terms then the time to back out was now. I made it clear all the way up till the wedding day if he wanted to back out he was free to do so. Hell I said it ON the wedding day because after my dad's behavior I thought for sure DH would run for the hills. He didn't. He stuck around, got the fire lit under his butt and has "exceeded expections". ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png)
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 9:05:45 GMT -5
And I wanted to add - when it comes time for them to start a family, it can be useful to have a lower-earning spouse with more flexibility and/or better hours to balance out the higher-earning spouse who often has longer hours/more job stress.
For a couple earning about the same amount, unless they're saving 50% of their salary (rare), it can be harder to adjust if they decide one needs to become a SAHP.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 9:10:43 GMT -5
And I wanted to add - when it comes time for them to start a family, it can be useful to have a lower-earning spouse with more flexibility and/or better hours to balance out the higher-earning spouse who often has longer hours/more job stress. For a couple earning about the same amount, unless they're saving 50% of their salary (rare), it can be harder to adjust if they decide one needs to become a SAHP. no - you just hire nannies/people to pick your kids up from school/homework helpers/boo-boo kissers and keep it movin'. Caring for your own kids? Ain't nobody got time for that! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 9:11:39 GMT -5
But what if he doesn't? What if he's happy to make $45K/year for the rest of his career? I agree a Wal-Mart cashier is not really comparable to a mechanic, but I know a lot of mechanics and the only ones who are making $100K/year are the ones who went back to school to become engineers. For your typical dealership/shade tree mechanic, $45K - $50K/year is pretty standard... at least in this area. well....now we are talking my area of expertise i have been in the auto business for almost 30 years i currently have 16 ase mechanics, and another 8 lube tech's or non certified technicians that work in our recon department 4 of the 16 ase made 150k + last year another 4 made 120k + last year of the 16, only 2 failed to crack 80k ase certified mechanic's are worth their weight in gold....people are keeping their cars longer, therefore maintenance and repair work is on the upswing is it easy to make 150k? hell no....that is a 60 week, and these guys bust their ass...but it is very possible the lowest wage for any of my ase certified guys is $ 26 hr book rate time gas station mechanics/midas/quick oil change places.....these are the guys making 40-60k on average with exceptions dealership mechanics make good money...and earn every cent
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 9:19:47 GMT -5
But what if he doesn't? What if he's happy to make $45K/year for the rest of his career? I agree a Wal-Mart cashier is not really comparable to a mechanic, but I know a lot of mechanics and the only ones who are making $100K/year are the ones who went back to school to become engineers. For your typical dealership/shade tree mechanic, $45K - $50K/year is pretty standard... at least in this area. well....now we are talking my area of expertise i have been in the auto business for almost 30 years i currently have 16 ase mechanics, and another 8 lube tech's or non certified technicians that work in our recon department 4 of the 16 ase made 150k + last year another 4 made 120k + last year of the 16, only 2 failed to crack 80k ase certified mechanic's are worth their weight in gold....people are keeping their cars longer, therefore maintenance and repair work is on the upswing is it easy to make 150k? hell no....that is a 60 week, and these guys bust their ass...but it is very possible the lowest wage for any of my ase certified guys is $ 26 hr book rate time gas station mechanics/midas/quick oil change places.....these are the guys making 40-60k on average with exceptions dealership mechanics make good money...and earn every cent It must vary widely by region, then. My husband is the service manager at the largest dealership in our county. Their master techs bill at $75/hr and are paid $25/hr. They typically turn 30-60 hours a week, so $39K - $78K/year (assuming they never take a day off). Certainly good money, but not six figures. The guys working at Midas/Jiffy Lube make maybe $25K/year, if that - which makes me think it must be a regional cost difference. I do agree that dealership mechanics earn every cent. As service manager, DH gets a cut of all hours turned in the shop each week, so he is incentivized to keep as many good, productive mechanics as he can. Laziness isn't tolerated.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 9:56:30 GMT -5
well....now we are talking my area of expertise i have been in the auto business for almost 30 years i currently have 16 ase mechanics, and another 8 lube tech's or non certified technicians that work in our recon department 4 of the 16 ase made 150k + last year another 4 made 120k + last year of the 16, only 2 failed to crack 80k ase certified mechanic's are worth their weight in gold....people are keeping their cars longer, therefore maintenance and repair work is on the upswing is it easy to make 150k? hell no....that is a 60 week, and these guys bust their ass...but it is very possible the lowest wage for any of my ase certified guys is $ 26 hr book rate time gas station mechanics/midas/quick oil change places.....these are the guys making 40-60k on average with exceptions dealership mechanics make good money...and earn every cent It must vary widely by region, then. My husband is the service manager at the largest dealership in our county. Their master techs bill at $75/hr and are paid $25/hr. They typically turn 30-60 hours a week, so $39K - $78K/year (assuming they never take a day off). Certainly good money, but not six figures. The guys working at Midas/Jiffy Lube make maybe $25K/year, if that - which makes me think it must be a regional cost difference. I do agree that dealership mechanics earn every cent. As service manager, DH gets a cut of all hours turned in the shop each week, so he is incentivized to keep as many good, productive mechanics as he can. Laziness isn't tolerated. the largest dealer in your county....any idea how many units per year they sell largest in the country...that would be Longo Toyota in Long Beach Ca that sits on 29 acres of property (so large that you are driven by golf cart around to see their inventory) owned by penske group btw..they sell 56 units on average per DAY.....it is quite an operation (i got to visit after winning a contest when i was a controller for a toyota store, and got to see the Long Beach Gran Prix) dealers in my area charge an average of $110-130 hr for labor...and for mercedes/lexus/porsche/and other luxury makes it does exceed $ 150 hr You are in a depressed market, or a very low col area.....$ 75 hour rates were what we charged 20 years ago.....and yes HCOL area here
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 10:02:49 GMT -5
At what cost, though?
What's more important? Being right? Or having a relationship with your kids?
who said you had to have one or the other
you can steer your kids in a direction without being an ass doing it
they will eventually make the decision....every parent knows and understands that.....
doesnt mean i cant let my feelings be known, and my worries for their well being
you dont have to berate, or belittle.....
medicine best goes down with a spoonful of sugar
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Post by midjd on May 7, 2013 10:08:09 GMT -5
Yes, it's a very LCOLA (which is why I said mechanic pay probably varies by region). Even the dealerships in Indianapolis (that I know of) don't charge more than $100/hr, and DH's employer is in a more rural area.
Not knowing where Swasat lives or whether it's a HCOLA or LCOLA, it's hard to say whether $45K/year for a Dodge mechanic is good. Around here it's average, whereas in your area it would be unusually low.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 10:40:03 GMT -5
Yes, it's a very LCOLA (which is why I said mechanic pay probably varies by region). Even the dealerships in Indianapolis (that I know of) don't charge more than $100/hr, and DH's employer is in a more rural area. Not knowing where Swasat lives or whether it's a HCOLA or LCOLA, it's hard to say whether $45K/year for a Dodge mechanic is good. Around here it's average, whereas in your area it would be unusually low. that makes more sense now here....mechanics are at a premium not enough to go around for the need if you arent turning 50-60 hrs week, you arent trying.....there is NO down time...unless you want it a mechanic turning 30 hours per week would be taking up valuable space..... i know of two exceptions (both over 45+ years at same store, and the owner gives them carte blanche to come/go as they please) they are the only 2 i know of that arent given production minimums..... service is too valuable around here....most dealers make their profit in service/parts/used and finance new car sales just drives the customer base
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Post by thyme4change on May 7, 2013 10:46:52 GMT -5
Salary.com has 3 jobs listed as Mechanic Technician I, II and III
Median annual national salary for II is $45k. So, that seems pretty average of all the averages, when averaging it all together to find the average. III the median is $51.4k, with the top range being up the $65k area. $50k might be his salary forever.
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Post by alabamagal on May 7, 2013 11:13:17 GMT -5
I have a cousin who is a "blue-collar worker". Never went to college, worked as a sheet metal worker then as a utility lineman. He married his HS gf, he worked and put her through college, then medical school. My cousin is the most work motivated person I know. Several years ago when all those hurricanes hit Florida, he worked tons of OT and made more money than his Dr. wife. When you consider his lifetime earnings, since he worked since he was 18, and his wife was Family Medicine, I bet his lifetime earnings are more than hers.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2013 11:27:03 GMT -5
I do not have a problem with my kids marrying a hard working blue color worker.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2013 11:30:52 GMT -5
On the "garbage man" subject here the job is heavily unionized and VERY well paying. You can make up to six figures.
There are also quite a few other unglamorus jobs, like at the sewer plant, where you can make bank.
But you're still "just a garbage man/sewer plant worker". Be careful assuming you know what people make based on the job title.
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 7, 2013 12:35:28 GMT -5
Thank you ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) . I think the odds would be slightly higher because my grandmother.. uncles and a brother have red hair. It doesn't matter really and was just a light hearted comment....I would be thrilled to bits with a grandchild no matter what. The point was that all sorts of things go through your mind when your beloved offspring chooses a partner. Some of it valid, some of it not. We may be worrying unnecessarily. My girl's boyfriend is perfect for her and seeing as Prince William is taken... I'm pleased with her choice.
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Post by alabamagal on May 7, 2013 13:00:00 GMT -5
On the "garbage man" subject here the job is heavily unionized and VERY well paying. You can make up to six figures. There are also quite a few other unglamorus jobs, like at the sewer plant, where you can make bank. But you're still "just a garbage man/sewer plant worker". Be careful assuming you know what people make based on the job title. And I heard during the potential dock workers strike a couple months ago that the average dock worker makes over $100k per year. Sending my daughter out to the port next chance we get......
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The Captain
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Post by The Captain on May 7, 2013 13:13:22 GMT -5
Dock workers are also a very insular union. You pretty much have to born into a "famliy" to get one of those jobs.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 7, 2013 13:21:45 GMT -5
You pretty much have to born into a "famliy" to get one of those jobs.
Same with garbagemen here. Your dad was a garbage man, your grandfather was a garbage man and so on. Knowing their salary is why I wouldn't flip out if my daughter announced she was marrying "just a garbage man". You go right on ahead honey! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/wink.png) Never would have though a garbage man made that much. Job titles don't always reflect salary. Someone said it best that we tend to look down our noses at trades/garbage men type jobs while elevating the degreed/office jobs. One is not automatically better/higher paying than the other.
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Spellbound454
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Post by Spellbound454 on May 7, 2013 13:27:08 GMT -5
I think a person who pays their taxes, obeys the law and is a decent human being.... is as good as the next person. We shouldn't be looking down our noses at anyone.
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