FDA: Over-the-counter sale of morning-after pill OK for ages

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swamp and others

some of us were raised with much stricter standards, and raised our kids the same way

it was "my way or the highway" in our house

my house...my rules

dont like it, no problem....dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out

now...after saying that, there was open discussion, but i had the final say (and you can believe my teenagers had issues with plenty of my decisions)

as they grew up, they were given more freedom....and they screwed it up on occasion

but all finished school.....none get pregnant.....two of three went on to college....and they are productive adults

i am not naive to believe i "know" everything they did....but under my rules, i know they did much less than others

every parent has their own style....what works for one, wont necessarily work for another

and every teen had different things that motivate them.....

it is not a one size fits all world...and discipline/rules have their place

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So, because you were raised a certain way, and choose to raise your kids a certin way, all people should live by your rules?

Say, if you taught your kids 'correctly', they never lie to you and always do the right thing, What does it matter if this is legal for a fifteen year old... Obviously it's not going to impact you, or your teen...

[Tennesseer]

Children aren't stupid. They tell their parents what their parents want to hear. I imagine there are literally thousands of women who never told their parents they had an abortion.

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May 1, 2013 15:32:51 GMT -5 oped said:

So, because you were raised a certain way, and choose to raise your kids a certin way, all people should live by your rules?

Say, if you taught your kids 'correctly', they never lie to you and always do the right thing, What does it matter if this is legal for a fifteen year old... Obviously it's not going to impact you, or your teen...

did i say that?

please reread my statement

i bolded the part that matters

no....it isnt going to impact me

but i have nieces and nephews

and i like the law...just not the age allowable

i think it should be "age of consent "depending on the state where you live

so 16 in most...17 in a few

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I didn't intend that necessarily towards you. 

As for age of consnt, 1) it isn't always a delineated issue with same age peers. I can't say I now any state that will prosecute 13, 14, 15 year olds if they are having sex with each other... If you can find me different facts?
2) sometimes girls don't consent. 

[billisonboard]

May 1, 2013 15:54:32 GMT -5 oped said:

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2) sometimes girls don't consent. 

Over the counter morning-after pills for a rape victim makes me a hesitant.

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May 1, 2013 15:54:32 GMT -5 oped said:

I didn't intend that necessarily towards you. 

As for age of consnt, 1) it isn't always a delineated issue with same age peers. I can't say I now any state that will prosecute 13, 14, 15 year olds if they are having sex with each other... If you can find me different facts?
2) sometimes girls don't consent. 

see post 103

it depends on the state

in california both could go to jail

in colorado, neither

laws vary greatly by state

2) sometimes girls don't consent.

i understand that....

the feds with this law are saying sex as a 15 year old is ok.....probably not the message everyone is getting, but some definitely are

how can that be, when in most states the child cannot legally consent to having sex at 15?

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No, they are saying 15 year olds are able to have say in managing their own bodies. If 15 year olds can raise kids, they should be ale to access plan B.

it isn't most states. Can you point me towards info on CA prosecuting a person under 15 for having sex with a same age peer? Thanks. 

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May 1, 2013 11:26:39 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 1, 2013 9:56:50 GMT -5 oped said:

Lol. I wasn't trying to change my mind or anyone's. I was trying to acertain how likely it is your son would tell you the whole truth. Admittedly not my business, but I think you brought it up.

She did.  And I also don't think her son is telling the whole truth. 

I will going to make a one last statement to my sceptical message board members.
Don't you ever bring up our Son into your conversation. 

You guys are going way overboard. There's fine line between being plain rude and ignorant. I am as A Mom I know my child more than anyone beside my higher power. 

[swamp]

I have kids too. I know know full well they can be selective about the truth they tell me. It's not a personal affront to you, it's just how kids are. 

Youre the one telling us your son tells you everything about his sex life. Don't get your undies in a bunch when it's pointed out to you that he may not be being completely honest with you. 

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May 1, 2013 17:52:54 GMT -5 @snowbird said:

May 1, 2013 11:26:39 GMT -5 swamp said:

She did.  And I also don't think her son is telling the whole truth. 

I will going to make a one last statement to my sceptical message board members.
Don't you ever bring up our Son into your conversation. 

You guys are going way overboard. There's fine line between being plain rude and ignorant. I am as A Mom I know my child more than anyone beside my higher power. 

I don't think anyone actually thinks anything bad about your son, snowbird.  But technically, the best you can do is 3rd place.  You might know your son better than anyone besides (1) your higher power and (2) your son.  And the gap between 2nd and 3rd place varies with the kid.

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May 1, 2013 17:56:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

I have kids too. I know know full well they can be selective about the truth they tell me. It's not a personal affront to you, it's just how kids are. 

Youre the one telling us your son tells you everything about his sex life. Don't get your undies in a bunch when it's pointed out to you that he may not be being completely honest with you. 

When did I said my Son tells me anything at all about his s## life.

The mutual respect is earned over the years with trust.  

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Good night! Folks

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Why, if things are as you say, does it matter then if it becomes legal for 15 year olds to get Plan B. how will that impact your son at all? 

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May 1, 2013 18:10:51 GMT -5 oped said:

Why, if things are as you say, does it matter then if it becomes legal for 15 year olds to get Plan B. how will that impact your son at all? 

You just don't get it, don't you!

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Sorry about commenting again! Folks

Nighty, night.

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I get it. I fell for it again. You love to do drive bys where you stimulate conversation until I respond and then refuse to contribute, make comments against me and or pretend to leave the conversation. 

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May 1, 2013 12:11:50 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

May 1, 2013 12:06:01 GMT -5 swamp said:

Plan B prevents implantation after creation of the zygote, so it's technically an abortifacient.  However, I don't consider the failure to implant of 6 cells to be an abortion. 

Call it whatever you want. The term isn't important.

 To people who spend hours of each day narcissistically splitting hairs, precise terminology is not only important, but it's also an opportunity to score "(moral) superiority" points as well.

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May 1, 2013 13:41:37 GMT -5 @craftysarah said:

May 1, 2013 13:24:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

You equated teens who demonstrate genuine parental respect to "wind-up-toys". Like everyone else here, you've endorsed the wrongheaded notion that once kids get to a certain "young adult" age, it's perfectly normal and acceptable for them to say "screw that" to their parents' wishes and then do as they like.

If memory serves, didn't you choose a different religion than the one in which you were raised?  It is normal and acceptable for children to shift from parroting their parents' values to choosing their own set of values.

I think the hope is that kids will land somewhere close to their parents' values, or choose to do better than the generation before, but the act of choosing for yourself is part of growing up.

 Wow...
 is there anything more disrespctful that rejecting the religion of one's forebears?

 

[steff]

When I was in High School, in our group of 6 girls, 5 of them had a kid while still in school.  1 of them even had 2 by the time I graduated (clearly she didn't graduate).  Something I took notice of with kiddo's group of friends & the girls now is that they are NOT getting knocked up. Of kiddo's group, there is 1 girl who just had a baby & she graduated from HS 2 years ago.  Her story will rip your heart out & I understand why she wanted a baby. I don't agree with her reasoning or doing it so young, but I get it in her case. 

 My generation (I graduated HS in '86) was spitting out babies as teens on an insane level. And it was due to stupidity.  We knew next to nothing about condom use, no real "sex ed" was taught beyond naming the parts inside and ignoring everything else.  If we did know about condoms, everyone was too chicken to go into a store & buy them.  No girl was going to ask her mom to put her on BC.    I like to think that my generation finally got smart & started teaching safe sex to our kids & it's working.  Our kids aren't spitting out babies at 16 like we did.  Not saying that teen pregnancy doesn't still happen & these baby pacts that young girls make are insane, but overall, I don't see the rampant teen pregnancy like when I was a teen.  And it's because we learned something and that something was safe sex & easier access to condoms & birth control IMO. 

[mmhmm]

May 1, 2013 21:25:22 GMT -5 @patstab said:

Well we could be like Sarah Palin, abstinence only, remember how well that worked?

I respected my folks, was scared as hell of them.  They taught me nothing about how not to get pregnant, I knew nothing.  The only information I got from my mom was if I got in trouble I would go to a house of correction.  A what? What BS was that.  She told me NOTHING!  Then expected me to know. There strategy was I just never date!

Back then we girls didn't really talk much about stuff like that at least not the ones I ran with, I'm sure their moms explained to them.  I had to learn from books at the library and the tiny bit taught at school.  Thankfully the guy I went with my only boyfriend and now husband had been taught responsible sex.  If not for him I would likely have gotten in trouble.  Can you even imagine a situation like that.  I'm 67 and it was sure different. Noone should end up in a situation like that.

Ahh, patstab, how I remember!  We knew from nuthin'!  I had no clue what sex was, or even that there was such a thing.  Nobody talked about that sort of thing.  Every once in awhile, some girl would just up and disappear from school to "go live with an aunt" (or something equally inane).  I believed they'd gone to live with a freakin' aunt!  It wasn't until I'd graduated and moved on I finally figured out what happened to 'em.  Nobody, BUT NOBODY, should ever be kept that ignorant!

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I agree Pat!  I laugh my butt off when a holier than though politician gets busted with his pants down (yes most so far have been the men).  I am not a Christian so why should my life be dictated by Christian beliefs? 

[cronewitch]

I am in favor of children consulting decent parents about decisions. Not all children have decent parents who can help them.

Some parents would force a girl to give birth over having any sort of birth control or abortion even if she was raped or in case of incest. That is the only reason I think a girl shouldn't need to get her parents consent for birth control, abortion or morning after pills.

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aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/08/sr/statelaws/

these are all the 'current" laws concerning statutory rape on the books in all 50 states

and they vary greatly state by state

whether or not these are actually prosecuted is another matter entirely

and oped....just because a law will not directly affect someone's life, doesnt mean they dont/cant/wont care about it

my kids are grown....but i think this goes a little too far

saying any 15 year old can get this by walking into a pharmacy seems wrong to me

i dont trust 15 year olds to use common sense and intelligence enough

and i worry some may use this instead of much safer practices

[cronewitch]

I was raised in the 60s and we weren't told anything about sex like Pat said. I didn't know what sex was until I was raped and I figured out that must be where babies came from. The rape wasn't violent but an older man who stopped when he figured out I didn't know what was happening and I was crying. His kids were asleep in their rooms, I was babysitting.

[Opti]

Oh My Crone, I'm so sorry that happened to you. Where you younger than 15 at the time?

[Jaguar]

So sorry Crone, so very sorry.

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But you trust a 15 year old to raise a baby?

[djAdvocate]

May 2, 2013 14:07:43 GMT -5 cronewitch said:

I am in favor of children consulting decent parents about decisions. Not all children have decent parents who can help them.

Some parents would force a girl to give birth over having any sort of birth control or abortion even if she was raped or in case of incest. That is the only reason I think a girl shouldn't need to get her parents consent for birth control, abortion or morning after pills.

i worry about cases where parents are not only not decent, but are responsible for the problem.  but i am sure these bills offer exceptions for such instances.

don't they? 

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I'm so sorry you had to go through that, crone.

DJ, of course.  Court orders never take more than 72 hours...