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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Nov 17, 2012 23:13:23 GMT -5
I don't mind or disagree with donating to kids' sporting events or activities - but cheerleading is neither a sport, or necessary - especially for the younger kids.
When we needed funding for sporting events,scouts, guides, etc. we held bottle-drives and car-washes. We also did bake-sales and raffles - or carnival-type events to raise money. We didn't just go door-to-door asking for a handout - and cheerleading (which is what this thread was about to begin with) wasn't a top priority of things we wanted funding for.
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Post by Malarky on Nov 18, 2012 8:18:47 GMT -5
Wow, an awful lot of hating towards cheerleaders.
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 18, 2012 8:28:11 GMT -5
Well, some of it is deserved. When it became a "sport" you could buy your way on, it started to lose its class. I'm glad I was on it when you just had to be good enough to make it. Now there are other choices for young women, better ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 10:11:44 GMT -5
Why is it a "better" choice for a girl to do something else? I think that stinks. There are lots of lovely young gals in dd's class who are cheerleaders. Sheesh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 10:28:03 GMT -5
That's fine. Go from young girls to doing a fun and innocent activity and then compare them to strippers. Why not whores and hookers? I guess there isn't much respect for other people's young daughters.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 10:36:14 GMT -5
I don't mind or disagree with donating to kids' sporting events or activities - but cheerleading is neither a sport, or necessary - especially for the younger kids. When we needed funding for sporting events,scouts, guides, etc. we held bottle-drives and car-washes. We also did bake-sales and raffles - or carnival-type events to raise money. We didn't just go door-to-door asking for a handout - and cheerleading (which is what this thread was about to begin with) wasn't a top priority of things we wanted funding for. I will not argue whether cheerleading is a sport or not...hell, I think it is ridiculous to call golf a sport..you drive around looking for a little white ball and then you whack it a few times but in our school golf was considered a sport...... But I do think you are all confusing the "rah rah" cheerleaders you see at football games with competitive cheerleaders. It takes a lot of athletic ability to do the stunts that they do. Most competitive cheerleaders have years of gymnastics behind them so that they have the foundation. Not to mention, it is a hell of a lot more dangerous to do the flips and stunts that they do then to whack a baseball and run to home plate. Oh, and for the record, not everyone makes the team for competitive cheerleading. I can't speak for high school cheerleading but I will say that I have seen some fatty cheerleaders that cheer for schools but you will never see that on a competitive team. You need to be in super shape to make it to a competitive level. Based on that, I'm guessing that the competition isn't as strict for high school cheerleaders. I'm teh parent that just buys out of all fundraising. I do not want to waste my time trying to sell stuff to co-workers, family, etc so I just cut a check. But I can afford to do that and not all families can. So I guess only girls that come from money should be allowed to be competitive cheerleaders
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 10:37:40 GMT -5
That's fine. Go from young girls to doing a fun and innocent activity and then compare them to strippers. Why not whores and hookers? I guess there isn't much respect for other people's young daughters. Don't get up in arms...for some reason, cheerleaders are seen as the popular girls and those that weren't popular love to hate on them...
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 10:40:23 GMT -5
Sometimes in life people are allowed to enjoy the frivolous. In fact, it is often these little things that make life wonderful. Taking grandma in her wheelchair to watch my son play basketball or hear my daughter's 4th grade bandconcert is a very meaningful thing. I have no problem with enjoying sports. My son played hockey, baseball and soccer. However, cheerleading is not a sport. It's waving around pompoms to entertain the crowd at the slowest and most boring game on earth. Wait...you will sit and watch baseball but think football is the slowest and most boring game on earth? Competitive cheerleaders do not actually cheer at football games. They train for the sole purpose of competing.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 10:43:55 GMT -5
I don't mind or disagree with donating to kids' sporting events or activities - but cheerleading is neither a sport, or necessary - especially for the younger kids. so what fits into your definition of what is 'necessary' for kids? I don't think basketball is necessary for anyone - I think it's boring beyond belief. so should nobody else support basketball? what about scouts? that isn't necessary. Who made you in charge of deciding what is and isn't a sport (and cheerleading is classified as a sport at the college level) and what is and isn't necessary?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 10:49:53 GMT -5
I don't mind or disagree with donating to kids' sporting events or activities - but cheerleading is neither a sport, or necessary - especially for the younger kids. so what fits into your definition of what is 'necessary' for kids? I don't think basketball is necessary for anyone - I think it's boring beyond belief. so should nobody else support basketball? what about scouts? that isn't necessary. Who made you in charge of deciding what is and isn't a sport (and cheerleading is classified as a sport at the college level) and what is and isn't necessary? So this.... What I have found over the years at YM is that cheerleaders are right up there with welfare moms in the eyes of the YM'rs....I think some have war wounds from not being part of the popular crowd
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 18, 2012 10:58:30 GMT -5
I really don't have an issue with cheerleaders (although honestly I hope that my kids don't take it up), but I do think it would be a bit odd to just ask for money for any extra curricular activity regardless if its band, cheerleading, or football.
At the risk of sounding like a good ym'er I really did appreciate the things I paid for on my own by getting jobs in school (trip to Florida, professional level clarinet). I also did fundraising, gs cookies, selling thanksgiving turkeys, grocery store gift certificates (they cost $100 and were worth $100 at the grocery store, but then the store gave us $3 for every $100. I had a handful of family that bought these from me that paid almost entirely for the expensive band I was in).
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 11:02:07 GMT -5
I really don't have an issue with cheerleaders (although honestly I hope that my kids don't take it up), but I do think it would be a bit odd to just ask for money for any extra curricular activity regardless if its band, cheerleading, or football. , And that I agree with and that is why I never solicit donations for anything. If I choose to sign my kids up for an activity I believe it is on me to pay for all expenses. I ask up front to be excluded from all fundraising and just provide a check for the buy out amount. So far it has never been an issue. But I DO find teh cheerleader bashing funny....these are kids, ffs.
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Post by raeoflyte on Nov 18, 2012 19:58:19 GMT -5
Agreed Miss T. The cheerleaders at my highschool practiced every single day, and to say that much physical activity with that much competition isn't a sport is complete crap.
There are so many emotions around cheerleading though for those in it and those outside of it, and not to mention its freaking expensive which is why I hope my kids aren't interested. I also really don't want my kids playing hockey or football because of injuries and expense, so really I'm an equal opportunity hater.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 21:03:39 GMT -5
Agreed Miss T. The cheerleaders at my highschool practiced every single day, and to say that much physical activity with that much competition isn't a sport is complete crap. And it IS expensive...but so are most other activities done outside of school. As for football, I was relieved that I had two dd's because I would not make a good football mom. When I was a teenager my cousin broke his back playing football so I would be a nervous wreck if I had boys that played...and my husband is a huge football fanatic so chances are it would have been an issue.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 18, 2012 21:08:52 GMT -5
What competition does cheerleading have? Are there weekly competitions against another school's cheerleaders?
Or do you mean competition to get on the cheerleader squad?
Additionally, don't these schools have women's gymnastics teams which are considered a sport along with competitions against other schools?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 21:23:52 GMT -5
What competition does cheerleading have? Are there weekly competitions against another school's cheerleaders? Or do you mean competition to get on the cheerleader squad? Additionally, don't these schools have women's gymnastics teams which are considered a sport along with competitions against other schools? In our case, my daughter is on a competite cheer squad. This is NOT part of the school, she does NOT cheer for sports. She trains with her squad for the soul purpose of competing against other cheer teams. My niece was a high school cheerleader and while she did cheer at football games, tehy also competed against other squads up to the national level in Florida.
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Post by swamp on Nov 18, 2012 21:26:28 GMT -5
I don't thinkive ever seen a HS with a gymnastics team. The equipment is waaaay expensive. Cheering is one of the cheap activities for a school.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 18, 2012 21:51:50 GMT -5
I'm flash backing then to my high school years of the 1960s in Massachusetts. Our high school had a men's and women's gymnastics team along with all the equipment you see today. They also competed against other schools and regional competitions.
Many of the young women on the gymnastics team were also the cheerleaders.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Nov 18, 2012 21:57:54 GMT -5
I'm flash backing then to my high school years of the 1960s in Massachusetts. Our high school had a men's and women's gymnastics team along with all the equipment you see today. They also competed against other schools and regional competitions. Many of the young women on the gymnastics team were also the cheerleaders. I've never seen a gymnastics team locally. We paid through the nose to send our oldest to gymnastics. Not because I think she is on her way to the olympics, but because she enjoyed it and seemed to do well...as well as a tall girl can do at gymnastics
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Post by tloonya on Nov 19, 2012 13:42:44 GMT -5
let me tell you something. I had posted same thing on another forum (yes, I post in other forums...) and 99% of people completely agree with me that asking for money just because I want it is a bad message for kids' future. I don't really understand why in here its so debatable. I have to say though in that other forum people do not post 10 times in one thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2012 13:43:21 GMT -5
Because they must not have my brilliance.
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Post by swamp on Nov 19, 2012 13:44:25 GMT -5
let me tell you something. I had posted same thing on another forum (yes, I post in other forums...) and 99% of people completely agree with me that asking for money just because I want it is a bad message for kids' future. I don't really understand why in here its so debatable. I have to say though in that other forum people do not post 10 times in one thread. There's a forum for people who don't know how to run a business?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 19, 2012 14:08:56 GMT -5
Because being a total asshole, all the time, to every person that comes in your store, will only get you so far.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 19, 2012 14:37:36 GMT -5
It was a joke. Granted it was in really poor taste, so I'm still an ass, but it was a joke.
On to the bigger question though, if it's just kids doing a fun innocent activity why do they do it in short skirts? You see any other female sports that consider that a uniform? Parts of the routines are designed to be flirty and sexy, and the only reason they have the skirts is to add an element of strip tease to it. Actual gymnasts perform in leotard type outfits. Cheerleaders are pretty much wearing the same thing, except they add a little skirt that flies up to show flashes of the singlet under it to make it look more like a flash of underwear. They are kind of stripping. Emphasis on kind of.
I know there are some cheer moms on here, so don't bite my head off. I wouldn't forbid my daughters from doing it, but certain aspects of it would bother me more than them doing other sports. Competitive cheerleaders are incredible athletes, but there's still an element of objectifying those athletes based on their looks kind of baked into the sport, and you don't see that in a lot of other female sports.
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Post by swamp on Nov 19, 2012 14:38:36 GMT -5
figure skaters wear those flouncy little skirts
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 19, 2012 14:43:52 GMT -5
For the exact same reason. Notice how the male skaters can do the same spins and flips and whatnot in an outfit that's full length pants and a long sleeve shirt. The ice princesses need to be half naked and have a little skirt that flies up and shows a flash of the panty like bit under it. Nothing sexist there at all...
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Post by swamp on Nov 19, 2012 14:44:59 GMT -5
if the guy wore a little leotard, his junk would fall out.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Nov 19, 2012 15:01:37 GMT -5
Male wrestlers don't wear much and I've never seen somebody have a wardrobe malfunction at a meet. But, in figure skating it's not important for the guy to show off his body, just the woman.
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