Tonight's debate

[deziloooooo]

Oct 23, 2012 12:17:18 GMT -5 @shooby said:

BTW, exactly what is Obama's plan for a second term? I haven't heard him say anything except more of the same.

"....proposals he has been offering on the campaign trail for months, such as plans to use half the savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for domestic infrastructure investment; create incentives for companies to bring jobs back to the United States (and end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas); continue investing in “clean” energy and recruit 100,000 new math and science teachers."

guess some haven't been listening or so caught up in their anti obama rhetoric they aren't really interested in discussions..just the babling and thinking of posting anti yadda, yadda as if it's really going to influence and be important in deciding who wins this thing..

just a thought anyway..

there really isn't a lot of new proposals by the POTUS..just a continuation and more concentration of and also working on the deficit..

Some may not agree with his ideas..it's their right of course , but to say he hasn't made proposals..see above..they are , IMHO, wrong..whether they are big enough to say they missed those? ..truthfully..I doubt that..{sigh}

[Deleted]

LOL!!! 100,000 new teachers!!!!!! Bwaaahhhh!!! That is the same BS i have heard from Clinton. Any speech or debate, DH and sit and wait for the proposal of "100,000" new whatevers be it teachers, police officers, etc. So HOW is Obama going ensure and document hiring of "100,000" new teachers? This seems to be the popular number pulled of the place where the sun doesn't shine.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 23, 2012 12:52:30 GMT -5 @shooby said:

LOL!!! 100,000 new teachers!!!!!!

no no- he said T-SHIRTS! does that relieve the confusion?

[Deleted]

Well, produce!

[mmhmm]

Dezi, speak to the issue, not the poster. You might want to reword Reply #183 to remove references to not being "big enough", and "haven't been listening"/"aren't really interested". Thanks.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

[djAdvocate]

Oct 23, 2012 12:37:01 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Romney showed that his above the fray. That he has discipline.

as the first debate showed, this is a really good way to lose.

[cme1201]

proposals he has been offering on the campaign trail for months, such as plans to use half the savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for domestic infrastructure investment; create incentives for companies to bring jobs back to the United States (and end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas); continue investing in “clean” energy and recruit 100,000 new math and science teachers."

OBAMA: "I'll use the money we're no longer spending on war to pay down our debt and put more people back to work — rebuilding roads and bridges, schools and runways. After two wars that have cost us thousands of lives and over a trillion dollars, it's time to do some nation-building right here at home."

THE FACTS: The idea of taking war savings to pay for other programs is budgetary sleight of hand, given that the wars were paid for with increased debt. Obama can essentially "pay down our debt," as he said, by borrowing less now that war is ending. But he still must borrow to do the extra "nation-building" he envisions.

He made a similar statement in his State of the Union address, and it is no less misleading now than in January. And the savings appear to be based at least in part on inflated war spending estimates for future years.

news.yahoo.com/fact-check-obama-phantom-peace-dividend-033637499--election.html

[happyhoix]

Oct 23, 2012 12:37:01 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Romney showed that his above the fray. That he has discipline. It would have been very easy to roll in the gutter with Obama but he choose not to. Voters are going to see that and respond.

After the last debate there was a big stink that both Obama and Romney were too 'aggressive' and that was scaring off the women voters. I heard a comment that they were 'like two roosters going at it" - and apparently all women abhor that (I don't, but I guess I lost my copy of the How to be Female manual).

Women voters generally favor Obama, so Romney tried to tone back his inner rooster and be more 'nice' which probably pleased some people, but also struck other people as being too passive.
Since I don't agree with the argument that all women like 'nice' I don't know if his toned back approach will be successful or not, in the end.

I feel sorry for both debators, no matter what they do, a whole nation of backseat drivers will be flapping their mouths at them the next day.

[Deleted]

Why do you feel "sorry" for them? They both choose to seek the office and position knowing what goes along with it. We are under no obligation to give either one a pass on anything.

[Deleted]

Oct 23, 2012 12:57:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 23, 2012 12:37:01 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Romney showed that his above the fray. That he has discipline.

as the first debate showed, this is a really good way to lose.

Well, that may be true. We don' t know yet.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 23, 2012 13:05:52 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Oct 23, 2012 12:57:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

as the first debate showed, this is a really good way to lose.

Well, that may be true. We don' t know yet.

lose the debate, hon. not the election. yes, we do know.

[TonyTiger]

Oct 23, 2012 12:43:43 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

"...but that's me."

"...North America, on the other hand, DOES NOT refer only to the United States."

Right there alongside ya on that one, M...

[mmhmm]

I'm glad you understand, Tony. The word Americans has been co-opted to mean US citizens. I accept that. My problem with what Romney said was his use of "North American". That was a misstep, IMO.

[TonyTiger]

Oct 23, 2012 12:52:30 GMT -5 @shooby said:

"...number pulled of the place where the sun doesn't shine."

Anchorage? ;D

[weltschmerz]

Canadian's had better be nice to us Americans after all the United States IS Canada's only route to the sea.
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I'm not following. You must be a product of the US educational system.

[TonyTiger]

Oct 23, 2012 14:26:55 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'm glad you understand, Tony. The word Americans has been co-opted to mean US citizens. I accept that. My problem with what Romney said was his use of "North American". That was a misstep, IMO.

Mebbe one of these days our hosts at ProBoards will devise a "Like' function for a remark, but, in the interim...

Oh, and, mebbe ol' Mittens DID mean "North America", in the classical sense of the phrase, and in an Imperial context... ;D

Which would get him off the hook with his usage...

At the cost of opening up a different can of worms...

After all, is our Destiny not Manifest? ;D

[weltschmerz]

Oct 23, 2012 12:15:36 GMT -5 @shooby said:

Oct 23, 2012 10:32:51 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I see that the arrogant little warmonger, Romney, has switched from saying "American energy independence" to "North American energy independence". That little prick does NOT speak for Canada, and we don't like it. It sounds like he doesn't want to be POTUS....he wants to be King of the World.

And, neither do you speak for America or for whom Americans should elect to lead their country.

I'M not running for "Leader of the Free World." My opinion here means squat.

[Virgil Showlion]

Oct 23, 2012 14:26:55 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'm glad you understand, Tony. The word Americans has been co-opted to mean US citizens. I accept that. My problem with what Romney said was his use of "North American". That was a misstep, IMO.

Wasn't he referring to all of North America?

In the sense that Canada doesn't import oil, his statement is a bit off-base, but I believe his intent was to indicate that the North American continent would be energy independent as a multinational unit.

That's why Weltz blew her top. She didn't care for his presumption to speak on behalf of the continent.

Personally, I think Mr. Romney is simply being pragmatic. Canada and the US have a massive energy economy. Having North America's energy independence as a whole rather than having all three nations' energy independence individually is far more practical and realistic.

As for using the term "American" to refer to all North and South Americans: don't worry about it.

I can guarantee you that if you asked 100 people anywhere on either continent to circle "America" on a map, 100 of them would circle the USA. Whatever it's historical origins, "America" now refers to the USA, while "the Americas" refers to the continents. It's a matter of linguistic reality, and I don't believe it came about by any arrogance on behalf of US citizens. Certainly nobody I know sees it that way.

ETA: It occurred to me that "American" cropped up as the term to describe a citizen of the USA, because "United Statian" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

[TonyTiger]

Oct 23, 2012 11:39:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Why the HELL does Romney want to expand an already bloated military by two Trillion dollars? It's already the biggest military in the world, bigger than the next ten countries combined...

He's probably suffering from terminal 'The Democrats Always Allow Our Military to Deteriorate' syndrome.

All this war talk is making me very nervous.

Dunno about that, but he DID play the 'Israel' card early-on and repeatedly, and, even though I'm a supporter of Israel myself, that early and emphatic focus made me raise an eyebrow.

Maybe he really is trying to encourage an Armageddon, and the second coming of Jesus Christ, as per the Mormon predictions.

Can't go there muhself - I doubt that's even on his scope - although one can never tell.

Folks thought that Kennedy was going to be a Papal Lapdog, but that never happened either.

[weltschmerz]

Dunno about that, but he DID play the 'Israel' card early-on and repeatedly, and, even though I'm a supporter of Israel myself, that early and emphatic focus made me raise an eyebrow.
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He also played the Russia card early on, saying it's your biggest threat.

[TonyTiger]

Oct 23, 2012 14:56:46 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Dunno about that, but he DID play the 'Israel' card early-on and repeatedly, and, even though I'm a supporter of Israel myself, that early and emphatic focus made me raise an eyebrow.
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He also played the Russia card early on, saying it's your biggest threat.

Yes, he did, didn't he?

Oh, and, I'm sure he meant OUR biggest threat... ;D

[mmhmm]

Oct 23, 2012 14:46:39 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Oct 23, 2012 14:26:55 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'm glad you understand, Tony. The word Americans has been co-opted to mean US citizens. I accept that. My problem with what Romney said was his use of "North American". That was a misstep, IMO.

Wasn't he referring to all of North America?

In the sense that Canada doesn't import oil, his statement is a bit off-base, but I believe his intent was to indicate that the North American continent would be energy independent as a multinational unit.

That's why Weltz blew her top. She didn't care for his presumption to speak on behalf of the continent.

Personally, I think Mr. Romney is simply being pragmatic. Canada and the US have a massive energy economy. Having North America's energy independence as a whole rather than having all three nations' energy independence individually is far more practical and realistic.

As for using the term "American" to refer to all North and South Americans: don't worry about it.

I can guarantee you that if you asked 100 people anywhere on either continent to circle "America" on a map, 100 of them would circle the USA. Whatever it's historical origins, "America" now refers to the USA, while "the Americas" refers to the continents. It's a matter of linguistic reality, and I don't believe it came about by any arrogance on behalf of US citizens. Certainly nobody I know sees it that way.

ETA: It occurred to me that "American" cropped up as the term to describe a citizen of the USA, because "United Statian" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

I usually use US citizen when referring to same. Agreed that USians doesn't cut it.

IMO, whatever Mr. Romney was trying to say with his remark, he said it badly. As you say, Canada doesn't import oil, so his remark didn't apply to North America, but to the United States. In other words, the man misspoke.

[Waffle]

Let's blame this guy.



1st volume published in 1835.

[zipity]

North America consists of Canada and the United States

and Mexico. Central America begins on Mexico's southern border.

I'm not following. You must be a product of the US educational system.

The debate? Romney - "Syria is Iran access route to the sea"? Never mind, you know what they say about a joke that needs explaining.

Massachusetts, best schools in the country (thanks to MA taxpayers) which means best schools in North America. :-)

[weltschmerz]

Massachusetts, best schools in the country (thanks to MA taxpayers) which means best schools in North America.
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Lol! And yet, other countries in North America are kicking your butt in education.

[mmhmm]

and Mexico. Central America begins on Mexico's southern border.

Yep. I forgot all about Mexico.

[beags]

Oct 23, 2012 11:39:25 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Why the HELL does Romney want to expand an already bloated military by two Trillion dollars? It's already the biggest military in the world, bigger than the next ten countries combined.
All this war talk is making me very nervous. Maybe he really is trying to encourage an Armageddon, and the second coming of Jesus Christ, as per the Mormon predictions.

Wow no democratic fear mongering in that post, is there?

[beags]

IMO, whatever Mr. Romney was trying to say with his remark, he said it badly. As you say, Canada doesn't import oil, so his remark didn't apply to North America, but to the United States. In other words, the man misspoke.

How about if he said the united citizens of the best damn country on the planet.

We must be, there sure are a lot of people from other countries interested in what this young country is doing.

[beags]

Oct 23, 2012 16:28:45 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Massachusetts, best schools in the country (thanks to MA taxpayers) which means best schools in North America.
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Lol! And yet, other countries in North America are kicking your butt in education.

They are concerned about our education as well.

See? we have one damn fine country that others are jealous of. So much so that even when their children belong to a different country with a better education, they have to point that out to us.

We are the greatest country on the planet, must be to have this much focus on it.

Or perhaps they just think they can change us? Or perhaps they want to be a part of it? Or perhaps, their country is boring and so they must poke at the united citizens of the best damn country on the planet.

now all you people go out and vote in two weeks . . .



oh sorry, you CAN'T you have to be a United States of America citizen to do that.

(I guess you're doomed then, because our poor education system has turned out a bunch neanderthals incapable of making a proper voter decision.)

[beags]

yes, my above posts are pure sarcasm. I figure if citizens of a different country can make pot shots at us, I have the right to make shots right back.

Thank you in advance.