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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:25:33 GMT -5
The missed opportunity for Romney was on the question of how he would be different from Bush. How is Romney different from Bush is not the question. The real question is how is Obama different from Jimmy Carter?
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Post by rockon on Oct 17, 2012 7:29:49 GMT -5
but... the gas thing is a tough one to argue when you spent the whole time Bush was president blaming him for high gas prices. They are in fact higher now then before. hard to defend your high deficit spending when you said it was unpatriotic and irresponsible at half the current levels. It's a pretty tough case to make and I think Sketchy was wise to avoid that conversation.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 7:29:54 GMT -5
how he would be different from Bush.
One of the absolute worst questions of the night. Once again, trying to tie people to someone who has been out of office for almost 4 years. The question only makes a statement of if you hated Bush then by proxy you will hate Romney. There is zero substance to the question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 7:33:00 GMT -5
" And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.
As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.
No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
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Post by rockon on Oct 17, 2012 7:34:27 GMT -5
"He clearly called it a terrible act it terror... "
What transcript are you quoting? Axelrod's version?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:35:41 GMT -5
Even Obama water-carrier Candy Crowley has since admitted Romney was right on the issue. Everyone knows this. The best part? Obama is stuck with it now. This story, which strains the credulity of any reasonable person, is Obama's story now, and he's going to be forced to stick to it-- and that's bad news for a President already in big, big trouble in the polls... nation.foxnews.com/candy-crowley/2012/10/16/candy-crowley-walks-it-back-romney-was-right
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:36:20 GMT -5
"He clearly called it a terrible act it terror... " What transcript are you quoting? Axelrod's version? I've got the transcript. Obama never once called it an act of terror.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2012 7:37:14 GMT -5
how he would be different from Bush.One of the absolute worst questions of the night. Once again, trying to tie people to someone who has been out of office for almost 4 years. The question only makes a statement of if you hated Bush then by proxy you will hate Romney. There is zero substance to the question. Again, we agree, cme. I thought that was a lousy question to ask. Bush was yesterday. This is today, and Romney is Romney.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 7:38:07 GMT -5
May I suggest reading comprehension exercises...
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Post by rockon on Oct 17, 2012 7:39:19 GMT -5
It really would make no sense to claim to have declared this act "an act of terror" and then spend the next two weeks claiming it was from a protest of a video. He won that argument on a technicality (he did say those words) and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the points he won for it... but don't try to say it was his best attempt at being a completely honest person.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:39:59 GMT -5
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2012 7:40:59 GMT -5
Let's face it. If someone goes into a building and starts shooting, that's an act of terror. It doesn't matter if the person doing the shooting is a known terrorist, an unknown terrorist, the terrorist down the street, or the terrorist across town. Shooting at people is an act of terror. You can bet everybody anywhere near the shooting is terrified!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:41:42 GMT -5
May I suggest reading comprehension exercises... No. But you can do as I asked, and post the verbiage in the transcript where Obama describes the Benghazi incident as a terrorist attack. Instead of accusing me of being illiterate, how about you put up or shut up?
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Post by dancinmama on Oct 17, 2012 7:43:07 GMT -5
Instead of reading an excerpt out of context, here is a link to the entire speech that Obama made in the Rose Garden on September 12th. newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/10/16/candy-crowley-embarrasses-herself-falsely-corrects-romney-libyaThe discrepancy is whether the attack that resulted in four deaths, including that of a US ambassador, was the result of a spontaneous protest fueled by an anti-Islam video that went bad or whether the attack was a preplanned act of terror by Al-Qaeda affiliates on the anniversary of 9/11. There is a big difference between the two. The former would not be something that could be predicted. The latter would indicate a failure on the part of the administration. Obama had just claimed that Al-Qaeda was "on the path to defeat" in his speech at the Democratic National Convention only five days earlier.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:43:16 GMT -5
Let's face it. If someone goes into a building and starts shooting, that's an act of terror. It doesn't matter if the person doing the shooting is a known terrorist, an unknown terrorist, the terrorist down the street, or the terrorist across town. Shooting at people is an act of terror. You can bet everybody anywhere near the shooting is terrified! Are you really going to sit here and say that Obama and his regime didn't spend a month calling this a spontaneous uprising and saying that they are still investigating what happened, and it isn't clear what happened?
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Post by rockon on Oct 17, 2012 7:43:40 GMT -5
"May I suggest reading comprehension exercises... "
Just for the fun of it try overlaying your original quote "terrible act it terror" with the transcript. Does it still look like reading comprehension or maybe a little spelling and quoting issue?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:45:00 GMT -5
Instead of reading an excerpt out of context, here is a link to the entire speech that Obama made in the Rose Garden on September 12th. newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2012/10/16/candy-crowley-embarrasses-herself-falsely-corrects-romney-libyaThe discrepancy is whether the attack that resulted in four deaths, including that of a US ambassador, was the result of a spontaneous protest fueled by an anti-Islam video that went bad or whether the attack was a preplanned act of terror by Al-Qaeda affiliates on the anniversary of 9/11. There is a big difference between the two. The former would not be something that could be predicted. The latter would indicate a failure on the part of the administration. Obama had just claimed that Al-Qaeda was "on the path to defeat" in his speech at the Democratic National Convention only five days earlier. Precisely. The Obama regime spent a month obfuscating and lying to the public on this. There's no serious debate about this in the mainstream. Obama and a handful of sycophants are the only ones buying this bullshit changed story now.
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2012 7:45:36 GMT -5
Let's face it. If someone goes into a building and starts shooting, that's an act of terror. It doesn't matter if the person doing the shooting is a known terrorist, an unknown terrorist, the terrorist down the street, or the terrorist across town. Shooting at people is an act of terror. You can bet everybody anywhere near the shooting is terrified! Are you really going to sit here and say that Obama and his regime didn't spend a month calling this a spontaneous uprising and saying that they are still investigating what happened, and it isn't clear what happened? Where did I say anything like that, paul? I didn't even discuss what Obama, or anyone else said. Perhaps, if you weren't trying to put words in my mouth you might have noticed that. As far as I know, the event is still being investigated.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:45:55 GMT -5
No. But you can do as I asked, and post the verbiage in the transcript where Obama describes the Benghazi incident as a terrorist attack. Instead of accusing me of being illiterate, how about you put up or shut up? May I suggest you read post #160? She already did put up. Sorry, that doesn't cut it.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 7:47:13 GMT -5
Let's face it. If someone goes into a building and starts shooting, that's an act of terror. It doesn't matter if the person doing the shooting is a known terrorist, an unknown terrorist, the terrorist down the street, or the terrorist across town. Shooting at people is an act of terror. You can bet everybody anywhere near the shooting is terrified! Unless it happens on a military base then it is workplace violence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 7:47:36 GMT -5
I already posted it...
It was an act of terror. He said that in his speech. He did not say at that time if it was a spontaneous or premeditated act of terror, as he was not willing to rush to the podium without all the facts and a clear plan if action, but there was never any doubt that it was a terrible act, an act of terror...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 7:49:21 GMT -5
What doesn't cut it? It was the relevant passage, in context... We aren't supposed to post the whole thong, but it's readily available... And shows exactly what was posted.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 7:50:23 GMT -5
Candy Crowley agrees- "Romney was right in the main". Obama is not going to be permitted by reasonable people to re-write the history of he and his administration deliberately misleading the public on this matter. After spending a month obfuscating and outright lying about this while Republicans were making the case that this was a pre-planned, coordinated terrorist attack- there's no way Obama is going to be allowed to now say he thought it was terrorism all along. This is the thinnest of thin cases.
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Post by b2r on Oct 17, 2012 7:52:08 GMT -5
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Post by dancinmama on Oct 17, 2012 8:08:40 GMT -5
In his speech to the UN on September 25th, two weeks later, the President mentioned the video six times and never once called the incident an act of terror.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 8:19:42 GMT -5
OMG. What kind of country is it that forces people to use a specific phrase in order to pass some kind of test... he used the words attack, assault, by killers... he condemned the act...
Personally i think 'war on terror' is overused. And i respect someone who can, on a national stage, pay homage to our ideals, while not being arrogant or offensive in turn, and while acknoweldging larger/broader conditions... Romney and his ilk, with their rush to judgement and need to use the corresponding 'right words'... do more damage than good...
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Post by mwcpa on Oct 17, 2012 8:20:49 GMT -5
"On energy policy: Romney nailed Obama on oil and gas permits on public lands and public waters. Romney was right. Obama was forced into explaining WHY, but unable ultimately to deny it."
From the AP
"THE FACTS: Both statements ring true, as far as they go. Obama more correctly describes the bigger picture.
According to an Energy Department study published in the spring, sales of oil from federal areas fell 14 percent between 2010 and 2011 and sales of natural gas production fell 9 percent, supporting Romney's point. The lower oil production was a result mainly of a moratorium on offshore drilling imposed by the Obama administration after the April 2010 BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history.
According to the same report, though, oil production from federal areas is up 13 percent since Obama took office despite last year's dip, and analysts say Gulf oil production is expected to soon exceed its pre-spill levels."
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Post by mwcpa on Oct 17, 2012 8:22:52 GMT -5
"Obama won the battle, and lost the war." with 5ish weeks to go, it's been called.... let's all not vote now....
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Post by Driftr on Oct 17, 2012 8:25:52 GMT -5
From what I heard driving in this morning, President Obama slightly won overall, but Governer Romney won by a pretty good margin on the economy. If the economy is as important when they vote as people say it is when they poll, I'm voting this debate a toss-up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 8:29:46 GMT -5
Romney blew the economy in terms of women as far as i'm concerned... He couldn't find competent women without doing a specific targeted search of the binders women's groups gave him? In answer to equal pay for women, he says, hey, i hire them... and when i'm the prez, i'll make so many jobs that at that point people will be more than happy to hire women, and let them get home in time for dinner, and yeah, probably pay them more???... I guess was the implication He was way out of touch with womens issues in my opinion.
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