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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 8:36:29 GMT -5
Not to mention blaming unwed moms for gun violence ??
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 8:37:44 GMT -5
Let's face it. If someone goes into a building and starts shooting, that's an act of terror. It doesn't matter if the person doing the shooting is a known terrorist, an unknown terrorist, the terrorist down the street, or the terrorist across town. Shooting at people is an act of terror. You can bet everybody anywhere near the shooting is terrified! no, no, no, it was a band of upset Muslims. Just ask Biden. He said "we" did not know, just last week in his debate. Honestly, the American public knew it was terrorism the 2nd day after it happened. Despite this administration's best effort to deny it. A "terror act" does not specifically speak to an act of terrorism in the sense it was committed by a known terrorist group. the administration never mentioned a terrorist group, although we knew it was a terrorist group and not a mob violence act. Yes, it is a matter of semantics, but in reality, there is a difference and the President knows this full well.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 8:42:53 GMT -5
Kudo's Mr. President. Mr. Romney looked like a kid with his hand caught in a cookie jar at that point. Ah, the President did play politics in a sense. It was so unimportant, he left for Denver for a fund raiser and political re-election speech the very next day, and the day after that.
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What Biden said is that they did not know about the request for more security. It was denied at a lower position than the president (or even the SOS...) ... and he also reminded, that, even had they known abou the request.... the Repubs have denied/blocked funding for things like extra security...
The administration has a responsiblity to the people ON THE GROUND in the face of danger, and to maintaining displomacy in a manner that protects them. I'm willing to wait for the full details. Hell, I was more than willing to give Bush the time he needed after 911 to do what was informed and right... i'll give the benefit to whomever is in charge... I don't need to anyone to give ME any quick statement based on emotion.... like you said, we all knew it was an act of terror, premedicated or not.... What I need him to do what is necessary to remain calm and do what is in the best interests of our troups on the ground.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 8:48:10 GMT -5
Not to mention blaming unwed moms for gun violence ?? HMMMMMMMM talk about spin. Where did he single out Unwed Moms, I see a merntion of single moms and dads Reality is a kick in the shins
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 8:50:12 GMT -5
The Benghazi matter is settled in my book. Whoever wants to can keep living in the fantasy world where Obama successfully re-wrote the history of the Obama regime's catastrophic national security failure that cost the lives of four Americans, and then spent a month obfuscating and outright lying about it. As for me? Moving on... My main point holds- like the killing of Bin Laden, Obama should not think that a tactical victory last night amounts to a strategic success. Obama captured some pieces, but it Romney had check mate on the big issues: blog.sfgate.com/nov05election/2012/10/16/cnn-poll-obama-wins-overall-romney-wins-many-issues/
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 8:51:23 GMT -5
What Biden said is that they did not know about the request for more security. It was denied at a lower position than the president (or even the SOS...) ... and he also reminded, that, even had they known abou the request.... the Repubs have denied/blocked funding for things like extra security... The administration has a responsiblity to the people ON THE GROUND in the face of danger, and to maintaining displomacy in a manner that protects them. I'm willing to wait for the full details. Hell, I was more than willing to give Bush the time he needed after 911 to do what was informed and right... i'll give the benefit to whomever is in charge... I don't need to anyone to give ME any quick statement based on emotion.... like you said, we all knew it was an act of terror, premedicated or not.... What I need him to do what is necessary to remain calm and do what is in the best interests of our troups on the ground. What troops on the ground? In Libya protecting the embassy? If you are referring to troops atound the world, they are prepared for attacks at all times. Or should be. That is how we did it in Nam-we never assumed they were not coming over the wire on any given night. Especially during Tet. Now we would assume this administration would consider the anniversay of 9/11 their Tet".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2012 8:52:49 GMT -5
Tell me again, the statistics, are there more single moms or single dads? ...
I'm just saying... I don't think it plays well to answer gun violence with single parents... the majority of whom are women... there... did i use the right words now...
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 8:56:53 GMT -5
Obviously our ee'ers have not shown up like they did last time.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 17, 2012 8:58:50 GMT -5
Kudo's Mr. President. Mr. Romney looked like a kid with his hand caught in a cookie jar at that point. Ah, the President did play politics in a sense. It was so unimportant, he left for Denver for a fund raiser and political re-election speech the very next day, and the day after that. Should he have gone to Benghazi to don a set of gloves to do CSI work? Acts of terror are done to alter the normal course of human behavior. It is a defeat of terrorism when it does not. In this situation, that normal course is continuing. Killings took place. Those who investigate such things are investigating. Those who have administrative responsibility make statements concerning the situation as they continue to perform their other duties. Families grief and bury their dead. Those who planned this act have to be frustrated that it has had so little impact. At the same time, there is the glimmer of hope being provided by conservatives in this country.
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Post by rockon on Oct 17, 2012 9:06:25 GMT -5
"I'm just saying... I don't think it plays well to answer gun violence with single parents... the majority of whom are women... there... did i use the right words now..."
Have to agree with you on this part. I thought both of their answers to gun violence and control were pretty weak. Obama and Romney both primarily went with better schools and education as their answer with Obama trying to throw in just enough words about gun control to keep the far left off of his back and Romney trying to not go far enough to offend the NRA. For the most part it seems Obama would be better off to just state what he really believes about gun control and Romney missed a major opportunity to make the case that violent crime has dropped quite dramatically since many states have allowed more access to guns and right to carry laws which seldom happens during a recession.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 9:11:48 GMT -5
"I'm just saying... I don't think it plays well to answer gun violence with single parents... the majority of whom are women... there... did i use the right words now..." Have to agree with you on this part. I thought both of their answers to gun violence and control were pretty weak. Obama and Romney both primarily went with better schools and education as their answer with Obama trying to throw in just enough words about gun control to keep the far left off of his back and Romney trying to not go far enough to offend the NRA. For the most part it seems Obama would be better off to just state what he really believes about gun control and Romney missed a major opportunity to make the case that violent crime has dropped quite dramatically since many states have allowed more access to guns and right to carry laws which seldom happens during a recession. This is probably a harder nut to crack than anything else facing America Foreign policy is a no brainer compared to this issue. Social security, medicaid/medicare is a no brainer compared to this. There is no politically acceptable answer that the American public will accept on this issue. Half the country wants the Fed to run the school system Half the country wants them totally out of the school system. Drugs have more to do with this issue of broken families than poor schooling, although poor schooling can lead to drugs being an escape for the people in Mr Obama's neighborhood. Or is it Mr. Rodger's neighborhood?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 17, 2012 9:16:20 GMT -5
... This is probably a harder nut to crack than anything else facing America .. For clarification, what exactly is "this"?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 9:24:34 GMT -5
I thought it was refreshing- Romney's answer on family. And maybe- just maybe having a conscious thought about the long term consequences of getting pregnant and having a baby out of wedlock. And I think it fits nicely with the liberal notion that poverty causes crime, because nothing causes poverty like single parenthood, so if poverty causes crime, then what you need to do is reduce poverty. But this is part of a larger point that moral issues ARE economic issues, and you cannot separate the two. Disastrous personal decisions, and government policy that subsidizes said stupidity is virtually our ENTIRE economic problem.
Overspending and failure to save for retirement- a decision fueled by, and fanned by the false promise that your retirement is the government's responsibility. That retirement is an entitlement, not something you earn.
Failure to finish school, go to college, and get a good job- and all the government programs that support these poor decisions.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 9:26:04 GMT -5
Tell me again, the statistics, are there more single moms or single dads? ... I'm just saying... I don't think it plays well to answer gun violence with single parents... the majority of whom are women... there... did i use the right words now... Well 10 years ago 88% were headed by single mothers now it is down to 70% and by this time in 2020 it should more evenly split closer to 50/50. Taking statistics that are written by the court (which has been on a trend since the 1960's awarding the children to the mother whether in the child's best interests or not) is not the best indicator. Lets look at a racial breakdown including home life, gang involvement and who is actually speaking into the lives of the children. Is it the parent a peer or a gang.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 17, 2012 9:42:13 GMT -5
... And maybe- just maybe having a conscious thought about the long term consequences of getting pregnant and having a baby out of wedlock. And I think it fits nicely with the liberal notion that poverty causes crime, because nothing causes poverty like single parenthood, so if poverty causes crime, then what you need to do is reduce poverty. ... Cause and effect can be a little tricky. I would contend that those who do not possess the capacity of "having a conscious thought about the long term consequences" of their actions engage in behaviors such as dropping out of school, early pregnancies, criminal activity, and not handling personal finances well. That is why I do not support schools just teaching kids how to read, write, and do math.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 10:06:36 GMT -5
... This is probably a harder nut to crack than anything else facing America .. For clarification, what exactly is "this"? OK, the question was gun issues, but I was referring to schools. That was what both candidates focused on after Obama ignored the original question.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Oct 17, 2012 10:08:01 GMT -5
"Women Binders' - another lie.... blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspxRomney's claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.
a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)
Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 10:09:53 GMT -5
Just finished the replay of the debate. My analysis?
Adraw. The difference? The President showed up for a debate. Romney held his own, but since the President was vastly improved over the first debate, it looks like he won. That and the fact Candy kept lobbing softball foolowup questions to the President, and her cutting Romney off, and backing the President on his Rose Garden speech when she was totally wrong about it.
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Just finished the replay of the debate. My analysis? Adraw. The difference? The President showed up for a debate. Romney held his own, but since the President was vastly improved over the first debate, it looks like he won. That and the fact Candy kept lobbing softball foolowup questions to the President, and her cutting Romney off, and backing the President on his Rose Garden speech when she was totally wrong about it. The the conservatives claim a "draw" you KNOW Obama won!!!!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 10:10:47 GMT -5
I really don't understand the question, but I think I have an inkling. Can I get some clarification before I respond to it-- to make sure I'm responding to the right question? Is the question is: For every single mom, isn't there- or probably more accurately "shouldn't" there be- a single dad?
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2012 10:12:10 GMT -5
I really don't understand the question, but I think I have an inkling. Can I get some clarification before I respond to it-- to make sure I'm responding to the right question? Is the question is: For every single mom, isn't there- or probably more accurately "shouldn't" there be- a single dad? No. Some of those dads are married ... to someone else.
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I really don't understand the question, but I think I have an inkling. Can I get some clarification before I respond to it-- to make sure I'm responding to the right question? Is the question is: For every single mom, isn't there- or probably more accurately "shouldn't" there be- a single dad? No what they are trying to say is that dads do not matter that only women raise kids by themselves. Dads get to "run away" while mom stays.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 10:13:35 GMT -5
I really don't understand the question, but I think I have an inkling. Can I get some clarification before I respond to it-- to make sure I'm responding to the right question? Is the question is: For every single mom, isn't there- or probably more accurately "shouldn't" there be- a single dad? No. Some of those dads are married ... to someone else. As are some of those moms
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 17, 2012 10:14:42 GMT -5
If the mom is married, she's not exactly a single mom. If the dad is married, she can still be a single mom.
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Post by cme1201 on Oct 17, 2012 10:15:27 GMT -5
If the mom is married, she's not exactly a single mom. If the dad is married, she can still be a single mom. reverse your mom/dad roles. What is your point
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 17, 2012 10:20:44 GMT -5
Just finished the replay of the debate. My analysis? Adraw. The difference? The President showed up for a debate. Romney held his own, but since the President was vastly improved over the first debate, it looks like he won. That and the fact Candy kept lobbing softball foolowup questions to the President, and her cutting Romney off, and backing the President on his Rose Garden speech when she was totally wrong about it. The the conservatives claim a "draw" you KNOW Obama won!!!! I thought Obama won on points. My caveat is that debates aren't boxing matches where you record jabs, tally them up, and then declare the one who landed the most punches the winner. And the facts bear this out. Once again, Obama lost on substance. I actually maintain that once we've had a week for this thing to fester, it will not redound to Obama's benefit. The incident that's going to be disastrous for Obama was when the moderator stepped in, joined the debate on the side of Obama, and then quickly backtracked because both were wrong is not a good situation for the Obama campaign. It created the worst possible political optics for Obama: The fringe kook media and Obama on one side- WRONG; and Romney on the other side- Right. And the Obama water carrier and media moderator was quickly forced to admit it. That's probably going to be looked back upon as one of the defining moments of the whole campaign. And let's not forget, the Benghazi intelligence and foreign policy failure and subsequent cover-up specifically, and the Obama Mid-East meltdown generally is still simmering out there. So, the situation is still fluid for Obama and can only do two things: 1. Not get any worse; or 2. Get a whole bunch worse. Attempts to pin it on him notwithstanding, there's no possible way it can hurt Romney. So, since it's the central focus of the debate, and a huge moment in the campaign, it's not going to bode well for Obama. And when CNN can't even scrape together an even split on the economy for Obama- that's trouble for the Obama regime on two counts: first, by basically 60 / 40 a CNN audience found Romney stronger on the economy; and the moderator's misstep means the media will have a hard time turning it around because they lost credibility by joining the debate on the loser's side.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 10:22:26 GMT -5
GG I am shocked you made a funny about Clinton, the Grand Puba of Democrats. Shocked I tell you, Shocked
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 17, 2012 10:24:02 GMT -5
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