Market on life support?

[damnotagain]

Bank stocks took a hit. Might want to add some cash to your home banking systems.

Next thing you know , you'll wake up and only be able to draw a few thousand out a day. While taking a 60 percent haircut on your savings. 

Hey comrades!

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 3, 2013 14:47:27 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Bank stocks took a hit. Might want to add some cash to your home banking systems.

Next thing you know , you'll wake up and only be able to draw a few thousand out a day. While taking a 60 percent haircut on your savings. 

Hey comrades!

DNA 

Long time my friend...Buy Picasso's and Wine.. Long term investing in tangible things.. Cows are also nice but the moooo a lot. 

Buy a 10 bedroom house and have nine friends help you with the meals and back yard garden and fish pond..I will plant the Medical garden for my natural Pharmacy...Red Rice Yeast anyone... Red wine for the heart..

Money in the your bank.;Best Way to rob a bank.. Buy It..
Bank stocks are one sale..15% off from 1/1/2013!!  60% of book..

How can I become a lender with no money?  Paper the deal with IOU"S = 105% of cost....Keep up the great post!!Please

Your old Friend,
BiMetalAuPt

[damnotagain]

Sent you a pm Bruce . It's not VL he was much more articulate than me. Thank you sir all the same. We do go back ... Even to old msn. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Apr 2, 2013 12:11:02 GMT -5 bimetalaupt said:

Apr 2, 2013 11:24:40 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

And today because of factory orders.... Lol... Wait, so there IS something to this US manufacturing comeback? Who knew? TooT TooT!

You should see the yard full of  new pumpers just ready to go Frac all those new wells in West Texas.. Also Sand haulers and Mixers for sand and water with the all those 2500 HP pumps.  15,000 brl a minute.. Did I say water haulers

And New Vans... Command centres on FWD Super heavy 6X6 with six computers and wire control  to control up to 40 pumper running a one time.. Did I say new 4X4 Ford 250's...

What factory?   

Just a thought,
BiMetalAuPt

I would love to see that. However, I would like to see some of those pumps being gravity fed with no need for diesel fuel.. 



The USA factory is going to be able to tell Iran to go screw themselves soon, and that is one of the issues facing us now isn't it.    I'd love to see the numbers on some of those leases as well BiMetal. 

[damnotagain]

Market going to be breathing a little harder today. Even with the fed pumping 17 billion into the markets lungs since march 28th. 

[Deleted]

markets go up

markets go down

doesnt matter in the long run.....

prices will correct themselves as the earnings change

only matters if you need to sell.....and if that is/was the case, you shouldnt have money in the market

the issue is whether or not 10 years from now, GE will be worth more than the $ 22 it is currently at

Or if DOW chemical will be worth more than the $ 32 it is currently at

and during that 10 years, both companies will pay me 3-4% annually just for holding them

not a bad deal...considering that 10 year treasuries are paying what 1.85% annually

[Deleted]

I am a fan of GE. since I knows and relate to the company for over 25 years.
The growth rate of GE. is slower than high flying tech company but they are more diversified in all sector of economy. 

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 5, 2013 8:34:08 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

markets go up

markets go down

doesnt matter in the long run.....

prices will correct themselves as the earnings change

only matters if you need to sell.....and if that is/was the case, you shouldnt have money in the market

the issue is whether or not 10 years from now, GE will be worth more than the $ 22 it is currently at

Or if DOW chemical will be worth more than the $ 32 it is currently at

and during that 10 years, both companies will pay me 3-4% annually just for holding them

not a bad deal...considering that 10 year treasuries are paying what 1.85% annually

g+,
Yes, But if you always invest.. Average into the market and reinvest your dividends.. You will increase your income.. Keep your expenses down and have a life time income.  Like going to Lost Wages,NV and always bet on black.. Double if you lose.. You will make money.. Be Feed and get great discounts .. Pit boss will love you as your action in gaming get some sucker into the game.


Just a thought,
BimetalAuPt
PS!!!: if the Stock market goes down..future returns go up!!  Just in from 50/50.. Bonds are up..returns down   erp = equity risk premium...
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0.60352

LOW BETA SYSTEM = 0.60352 BETA
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return low beta	5.3018%
10Y T-Note	1.70000%
ERP	3.60183%
erp beta 1	5.96809%
market	7.66809%
ZERO GROWTH	HYPOTHESES
ERT	5.96809%
scf B=1.18	7.04234%
TR	8.74234%
COST	1.27000%
NET	7.47234%
RE 1.42	8.47468%
TOTAL	10.17468%
COST	1.14000%
NET TO INV	9.03468%

[usaone]

Theres still no substitute for the US of A. The Fed is supporting the economy as it is being repaired. We will come out of this stronger than ever.

[frankq]

Making a few buys in this market. XRX and TNH. I don't own EXC anymore, haven't for a while, but it has been resilient. I'm glad for Driftr.

[Deleted]

anyone seen drftr lately?

did he leave us?

[frankq]

Haven't seen him. Wanted to ask him if he was still holding EXC. It looks like it might work out.

[frankq]

And another new record for the DOW ...........

[frankq]

The Comex set up and ran by jpm and how the great buys are swelling TooT! TooT! as if you are helping to support theft and mismanagement along with with demise,then such jibberish would be spot on. Those that would have you set up to believe in such as good things are really fools. And to tell you the TRUTH,I don't personnaly think that there is that many dumb,dumbs around as we have come a long way down the rabbit hole.

Ok.....since damnitagain "liked" this post, maybe he can explain it to us so that we might come one more step closer to understanding this language.

[bimetalaupt]

MMXV HAS POSTED THE PLAUSIBLE CRASH OF SMALL CAPS AND ULITLITY..LIKE WHAT COULD BE THE RESULTS IF BEN B. PULLS ON THE BRAKES.

Just a thought,
BiMetalAuPt   
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4/10/13	Forecast	current	discount	sd	12/31/2009 low for day
djia	12686.3	14673.5	11.393518352704%	12.3714%	10428	2258.3
djtm	16523.03906	16336.5	10.25724653%	14.5830365%	11182.4	5340.64906
djua	484.606	517.330	18.621860%	17.6126132400%	379.200	105.406
russell 2m	801.990	929.34	9.55405092%	15.66852479%	625.39	176.600	<style type="text/css">tt { font-family: courier;}td { font-family: helvetica, sans-serif;}caption { font-family: helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; text-align: left;}</style> 4/10/13 Forecast current discount sd 12/31/2009 low for day djia 12686.3 14673.5 11.393518352704% 12.3714% 10428 2258.3 djtm 16523.03906 16336.5 10.25724653% 14.5830365% 11182.4 5340.64906 djua 484.606 517.330 18.621860% 17.6126132400% 379.200 105.406 russell 2m 801.990 929.34 9.55405092% 15.66852479% 625.39 176.600 qqqq 82.2694 68.68 19.7865334143% 18.4762% 45.98 36.2894 trend djia 10776.0 11425.3 −5.68316% 12.3714% 10428 347.991 djtm 10715.4 16336.5 −34.40836% 14.5830365% 11182.4 −466.99 djua 433.541 517.330 −16.19640% 17.6126132400% 379.200 54.3411 russell 2k 697.374 929.34 −24.96031% 15.66852479% 625.39 71.9839 qqqq 49.5445 53.69 −7.7211907152% 18.4762% 45.98 3.56449 ballanced djia with black swan weighted average 12686.3 projected loss including loss −$1987.16 MMXV-Black Swan alpha class (c) 2013 Bruce C. Lendrum MBA LenData,USA
qqqq	82.2694	68.68	19.7865334143%	18.4762%	45.98	36.2894
	trend
djia	10776.0	11425.3	−5.68316%	12.3714%	10428	347.991
djtm	10715.4	16336.5	−34.40836%	14.5830365%	11182.4	−466.99
djua	433.541	517.330	−16.19640%	17.6126132400%	379.200	54.3411
russell 2k	697.374	929.34	−24.96031%	15.66852479%	625.39	71.9839
qqqq	49.5445	53.69	−7.7211907152%	18.4762%	45.98	3.56449
ballanced	djia with black swan		weighted average	12686.3
	projected loss		including loss	−$1987.16
MMXV-Black Swan alpha class		(c) 2013	Bruce C. Lendrum MBA		LenData,USA

[bimetalaupt]

Let me try this again...
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4/10/13	Forecast	current	discount	sd	12/31/2009 low for day
djia	12686.3	14673.5	11.393518352704%	12.3714%	10428	2258.3
djtm	16523.03906	16336.5	10.25724653%	14.5830365%	11182.4	5340.64906
djua	484.606	517.330	18.621860%	17.6126132400%	379.200	105.406
russell 2m	801.990	929.34	9.55405092%	15.66852479%	625.39	176.600
qqqq	82.2694	68.68	19.7865334143%	18.4762%	45.98	36.2894
	trend
djia	10776.0	11425.3	−5.68316%	12.3714%	10428	347.991
djtm	10715.4	16336.5	−34.40836%	14.5830365%	11182.4	−466.99
djua	433.541	517.330	−16.19640%	17.6126132400%	379.200	54.3411
russell 2k	697.374	929.34	−24.96031%	15.66852479%	625.39	71.9839
qqqq	49.5445	53.69	−7.7211907152%	18.4762%	45.98	3.56449

[damnotagain]

Apr 9, 2013 17:21:08 GMT -5 frankq said:

The Comex set up and ran by jpm and how the great buys are swelling TooT! TooT! as if you are helping to support theft and mismanagement along with with demise,then such jibberish would be spot on. Those that would have you set up to believe in such as good things are really fools. And to tell you the TRUTH,I don't personnaly think that there is that many dumb,dumbs around as we have come a long way down the rabbit hole.

Ok.....since damnitagain "liked" this post, maybe he can explain it to us so that we might come one more step closer to understanding this language.

 Frankq , we talked about comprehension on another thread. I know exactly what decoy is saying. I find it odd that a grown man can put so much energy in trying to ridicule decoy. You have more than one thread just for that purpose. If its not a thread started for that purpose your conversation turns to His post or remarks sooner or later. He post news and comments on it . Nothing more nothing less. I would rather read the information from him than anything you have to say. 

[frankq]

Oh....it's not so much energy at all. You guys provide plenty of grist for the mill with the nonsense and intentional misinformation that you both post. I burn nary a calorie responding. Neither he, nor you, is interested in an UNBIASED account of anything. You quote sources that are questionable at best to support your extreme and inaccurate views. It's only "news" if it's real. You guys take a morsel of truth, add a pound of nonsense and call it a meal. It appears that the post you source is directed at me and others as an insult. I responded as appropriate. I didn't call him names. I am illustrating the FACT that speaking in tongues does not make you sound any more intelligent. Any view other than yours or his is a lie, propagated by "fools" and "thieves" regardless of the information we present, from a variety of sources. Ridicule is how you guys operate and it's what you guys understand. Since you enjoy his posts so much, feel free to stay on his threads and read them. You're certainly not making a case via the facts for much of what you say on my threads. You sound like, the same bitter guy, that lost a bunch of dough in his 401K a few years ago and never got over it so the world sucks. Too bad.  Should have held on a little longer......

I would rather read the information from him than anything you have to say.

Really? For a guy that isn't interested in what I have to say, you spend a lot of time on my threads. If they bother you, stay off of them. As the mods say, there is an "IGNORE" button. The really interesting thing is, other people actually post on my threads.........unlike some others out here.

[bimetalaupt]

MARTENSON CALLED IT RIGHT IN 2008!! S&P500 OFF 40% NOW PER HIS.. SOUNDS LIKE THE PROJECTION OF MMXV-ALPHA LOW CALL.. ADD TO THIS THE BULL PROJECTION YOU GET WHAT IS QUOTED. 

S&P 500 May Fall More Than 40% By Fall: Chris Martenson

BiMetalAuPt. .Sell in May? and Eat Texas beef and wine.. Make your Texas 1015 Onion Soup.. See Soup for system.. Mine!!!
finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/p-500-may-fall-more-40-fall-chris-120957460.html

Even though the S&P 500 (^GSPC) and Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) are hovering at all-time highs, Chris Martenson, author of PeakProsperity.com and the “Crash Course” Series, is forecasting a major market correction.

Martenson predicts the S&P could fall 40% to 60% to the 600-800 level by this fall. His last major market call was in March 2008, before the financial crisis.

Related: U.S. Stock Market Is 'Overvalued, Overbought and Overbullish': John Hussman

The Daily Ticker’s Lauren Lyster sat down with Martenson at the 2013 Wine Country Conference in support of Les Turner ALS Foundation to get his market and economic predictions.

"I see recessionary signs all over the landscape. In particular, Europe is already in recession [and] Japan is already in recession," he says. "We are looking at global economic slowdown."

As for corporate earnings, a stronger U.S. dollar could bring down profits this year, Martenson believes. Corporate profits currently account for 11% of GDP, which is way outside the norm of 6% of U.S. growth. He's also bearish on the U.S. economy and sees weakness in sectors that have shown improvement like the housing market.

Related: The Real Reason the U.S. Economy Won’t Take Off

Will the Federal Reserve's $85 billion monthly stimulus program continue to inflate asset prices?

"Fundamentally there always has to be some connection between where markets actually are and their price," Martenson says. He believes the Fed's monetary policy has reached a point of diminishing returns and could result in "a pretty significant" market pullback.

Right now he's telling investors to sell in May and go away -- the same advice he gives every year.

"This is not the time to be greedy," Martenson

JIM CHANAS AGREES.. WE HAVE HUGE HIDDEN FRAUD..IE BLACK SWANS!!

[frankq]

Bruce,

I read your material, particularly this from :The Real Reason the U.S. Economy Won’t Take Off

If you want evidence that the U.S. economy is rebounding, forget analyzing common economic indicators like home sales, retail sales, consumer confidence and manufacturing data. Economists and individuals need to track just one key measure of data: oil consumption. That’s the thesis of Chris Martenson, author of PeakProsperity.com and the “Crash Course” Series. Martenson says oil has always been very tightly associated with economic growth. Oil prices have not returned to their 2008 all-time highs and that’s not necessarily a good thing, he argues.

“If you want to have economic growth you’re going to need growth in oil consumption,” he says in an interview at the 2013 Wine Country Conference in Sonoma benefiting the Les Turner ALS Foundation. “Oil is the lifeblood of any economy.”


With all due respect for the authors, I couldn't disagree more. Anyone that truly believes that actual demand drove prices to $140/bbl. in 2008 must be slightly high. Oil at $140 was due to massive speculation and manipulation, not demand. Demand for oil did not double over a matter of months. I would wager that oil at $140 would kill the economy since oil is a integral raw material in our society. Martinson also does not discuss natural gas and the huge increase in it's utilization and in it's supply as it relates to the economy. Oil at $140 means $5-$6 gasoline, increased costs for product transportation and production and these increases are sure to outstrip any wage increases, particularly when the speculators jump back in. That means less money for consumers and businesses alike to purchase finished products for home and businesses. That means less economic growth. While I agree that oil is the lifeblood of our economy, like any entity dependent on blood, blood pressure a too high a level is deadly.....

By the way, John Hussman has to be the only guy running a non-hedge fund that hasn't made money in the market over the last year or two...

That said, there is always a time to take profits and step away from the market, and we could be getting close to one. I think there will be a better price point to re-enter down the road. I'm not going bearish, but I think traders will be traders and take the market down some. That's pretty much standard operating procedure.

[usaone]

I agree FrankyQ. Plus the 12 to 15 Million cars sold each year for the last 4 years are much more efficient than the cars they are replacing. Along with conservation, Nat gas, ect that has to be considered. 

[frankq]

Yeah, I think these guys would love to have a second chance to buy in at a 40% discount.........LOL!!

[damnotagain]

Apr 10, 2013 5:00:51 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

Apr 9, 2013 17:21:08 GMT -5 frankq said:

The Comex set up and ran by jpm and how the great buys are swelling TooT! TooT! as if you are helping to support theft and mismanagement along with with demise,then such jibberish would be spot on. Those that would have you set up to believe in such as good things are really fools. And to tell you the TRUTH,I don't personnaly think that there is that many dumb,dumbs around as we have come a long way down the rabbit hole.

Ok.....since damnitagain "liked" this post, maybe he can explain it to us so that we might come one more step closer to understanding this language.

 Frankq , we talked about comprehension on another thread. I know exactly what decoy is saying. I find it odd that a grown man can put so much energy in trying to ridicule decoy. You have more than one thread just for that purpose. If its not a thread started for that purpose your conversation turns to His post or remarks sooner or later. He post news and comments on it . Nothing more nothing less. I would rather read the information from him than anything you have to say. 

[damnotagain]

You asked me a question?  Ill just send my reply via sign language next time. Lol

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 10, 2013 11:04:50 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

You asked me a question?  Ill just send my reply via sign language next time. Lol

mmhmm,

Now this is like the old days...

DNA, You are number one..
Ok USA WON!!TOO 

expert #Where we talk the talk and Walk the walk.... [img src="http://images.proboards.com/new/shocked.gif" alt=" " src="http://images.proboards.com/new/shocked.gif"]50/50 has an answer.. bond= 50% stocks =50%

#Where we talk the talk and Walk the walk....

BiMetalAuPt..

[usaone]

Thanks Bruce! Right back at you.

[bimetalaupt]

Apr 10, 2013 9:52:25 GMT -5 frankq said:

Yeah, I think these guys would love to have a second chance to buy in at a 40% discount.........LOL!!

frankq,

 Was I right,
Was I wrong.
A little of each..
A little of both..

Expert 50/50 did it in Oct 2008 and March 2009!!  Ready to do it again.. Back up to 20% T-Bonds..  I have been selling stock into the Bull to remake the balance..Also use 100 for T-Bond value as I will not sell it.

Now what to do with HNZ Cash?

BiMetalAuPt

[usaone]

Bruce sells when that VIX bottoms, as it has over the last three months.....good advice.....

[frankq]

Apr 10, 2013 11:04:50 GMT -5 damnotagain said:

You asked me a question?  Ill just send my reply via sign language next time. Lol

Good idea. You would make more sense that way...

[frankq]

Apr 10, 2013 11:23:31 GMT -5 usaone said:

Bruce sells when that VIX bottoms, as it has over the last three months.....good advice.....

No doubt. Like I said, we may be close to the point where it's prudent to take some profit. Lots of talk of Jap money coming in though. Still like the decent yielders. I trust Bruce's judgement before Martenson. That guy must be on the needle .........