America was attacked again on 9-11

[TonyTiger]

Sept 15, 2012 17:39:26 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

"...Well, this is already making the rounds. It doesn't look good..."

Just more vicious Liberal hor$e$hit...

Not a lick of difference versus vicious Conservative hor$e$hit...

They both leave smelly, gooey steaming road-apples that the Little People have to sweep-up and flush eventually...

[decoy409]

So you do not believe in or what Roberts speaks?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Sept 15, 2012 15:59:32 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Sept 15, 2012 15:49:13 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Ya, you're right spell. It really is just a small percentage of them attacking things all over the world.....

Unfortunately it only takes a small number of people to cause disaster and mayhem.

How right you are Astro... Just think, only 20% of Egypt voted Ultra Conservative..

Man Is Accused of Jihadist Plot to Bomb a Bar in Chicago
www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/us/man-is-accused-of-jihadist-plot-to-bomb-chicago-bar.html

Federal agents arrested an 18-year-old man on Friday who planned to blow up what he believed to be a car bomb outside a Chicago bar, law enforcement officials said Saturday.

There was never any danger that the suspect, Adel Daoud, would actually detonate a bomb because the plot he agreed to carry out was proposed by undercover agents posing as extremists, according to a statement released by the United States attorney’s office in the Northern District of Illinois.

Mr. Daoud, a United States citizen who lives in Hillside, on the outskirts of Chicago, was being closely monitored by law enforcement officials for an extended period of time and, according to the statement, was “offered several opportunities to change his mind and walk away from the supposed attack.”

Mr. Daoud’s older brother, Amr, 21, described him as a very devout Muslim who would go to the mosque for prayers with their father every day at 4 a.m. He said that their parents came to the United States from Egypt but that neither they nor his two sisters were as religious.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

US pulls out embassy staff as Al Qaeda calls for more attacks
www.ndtv.com/article/world/us-pulls-out-embassy-staff-as-al-qaeda-calls-for-more-attacks-267917

The US is braced for more violence aimed at its interests in the Arab and Muslim world, pulling non-essential embassy staff out of Sudan and Tunisia amid Al Qaeda calls for more attacks on US targets.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) has called for more violence against US diplomatic missions in the Middle East and Africa, and urged Muslims in the West to attack US interests, the SITE Intelligence Group said.

The US State Department ordered all non-essential personnel to leave Sudan and Tunisia following embassy attacks sparked by an anti-Islam video, warning US citizens against travel there.

Sudan Rejects U.S. Request to Send Marines to Boost Embassy Security
news.yahoo.com/sudan-rejects-u-request-send-marines-boost-embassy-182822909--abc-news-politics.html

Sudan has rejected a U.S. request to send 50 Marines to that country to help boost security at the American embassy in Khartoum, a U.S. official confirms.

With the Marines en route to Sudan on Friday night, a U.S. official said at the time that it appeared that Sudan might reverse an earlier decision to allow the 50 Marines to enter the country.

Sudan's reversal was made public today when Sudan's Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Karti told SUNA, the official Sudanese news agency, that "Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps."

A U.S. official said the Marines, "were on their way, but turned back" when Sudan rejected the U.S. request.

[jarhead1976]

Not sure who has bigger balls the potus or secretary of state. Maybe neither one does. Our impotent foreign policy is just that.
Islamic country's love our money and hate our country. Even though it is their own governments that have left them in poverty.
Let's be sure not to offend anyone though.

As we continue to talk peace they continue to plan on how to kill US.

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 5:30:23 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Not sure who has bigger balls the potus or secretary of state. Maybe neither one does. Our impotent foreign policy is just that.
Islamic country's love our money and hate our country. Even though it is their own governments that have left them in poverty.
Let's be sure not to offend anyone though.

As we continue to talk peace they continue to plan on how to kill US.

Google drone attacks by US

[jarhead1976]

Thanks bill, It does beat having our men and women in harms way. With any luck we will use them on the rest of the middle east.

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 6:34:55 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Thanks bill, It does beat having our men and women in harms way. With any luck we will use them on the rest of the middle east.

Fortunately we have a President and Secretary of State who don't rely on "luck" (or "balls") but use their brains to target specific individuals and not geographical areas of the planet.

[TonyTiger]

Sept 16, 2012 5:37:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"...Google drone attacks by US..."

What is the conclusion that you would like for us to draw from a Google-search pertaining to drone attacks by the US?

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 6:44:01 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

Sept 16, 2012 5:37:29 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"...Google drone attacks by US..."

What is the conclusion that you would like for us to draw from a Google-search pertaining to drone attacks by the US?

Your own.

[decoy409]

Tony, so #262 and Roberts. Are you saying that Roberts does not know what he is talking about?

We are very curious thjis way as to what you people think of what Dr. Paul Craig Roberts has to say about things. He not only presents one thing,but quite a few.

So while you are talkiing about how hateful these people are,perhaps figure out why they are so hateful and what caused that. And if you simply refuse to learn why and understand why,then you just become all the more mixed up.

Tony the Maccabees since you do not know is from the earliest of recorded history and your sweeping changes that became throughout the Middle east. And you certainly should know about Taxfarmers as they exists today,just in a not so slaughtering way,but still slaughtering.

In short you put your bid in with the king to go and collect as much as you could from folks and if they refused,you hung them up on a pole doused in oil and set them on fire to death.

Why you could accept the matrix and forget about God and his ways and accept the man made incorporated,or die.

[Spellbound454]

I think the real question now that the situation has died down a bit........is what happens now?

You cannot violate another country's embassy.......kill the inhabitants and drag them through the streets
and get away with it. These people must understand this.

Libya seems to be co-operating in that it, in conjunction with the FBI.... have made arrests.
Morsi's response has been disappointing......but the message must go out loud and clear and the purpetrators brough to justice.

The scholars of the region need to explain to the people..... why they cannot have trans-alantic law in place to stop other countries from publishing whatever they want within the bounds of their own laws and freedoms.
Nobody has that kind of jurisdiction...and if they thought they did...they are wrong.

With freedom comes responsibility....and after years of on-going tyranny, they need to wake up to that.

[TonyTiger]

Sept 16, 2012 6:50:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 16, 2012 6:44:01 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

What is the conclusion that you would like for us to draw from a Google-search pertaining to drone attacks by the US?

Your own.

The conclusion that I draw is that drone technology has allowed us to conduct surgical strikes in many instances in which we might formerly have launched an expedtion to make a kill; thereby accelerating the timeline for such strikes, allowing us to be more precise and certain in many circumstances, to lessen collateral mortality and damage, and to keep our own casualty figures down when conducting such operations.

There are substantive pros and cons to such uses of technology, including humanitarian and political effects and concerns.

Care to provide some insight into your own conclusions on this?

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 8:37:20 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

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Care to provide some insight into your own conclusions on this?

First, I will refresh the specific of why I suggested looking at it:

Sept 16, 2012 5:30:23 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Not sure who has bigger balls the potus or secretary of state. Maybe neither one does. Our impotent foreign policy is just that.
Islamic country's love our money and hate our country. Even though it is their own governments that have left them in poverty.
Let's be sure not to offend anyone though.

As we continue to talk peace they continue to plan on how to kill US.

When I take into account the drone attacks, I draw a different conclusion on the potency of current foreign policy, our willingness to offend others, and the significance of "talk peace" in the bigger picture.

[jarhead1976]

Sept 16, 2012 6:42:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 16, 2012 6:34:55 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Thanks bill, It does beat having our men and women in harms way. With any luck we will use them on the rest of the middle east.

Fortunately we have a President and Secretary of State who don't rely on "luck" (or "balls") but use their brains to target specific individuals and not geographical areas of the planet.

It would seem the people in those geographical areas with islamic religious ideals are targeting us.
Without any diplomacy.
Islam..... That's right they just talk peace. Then kill Our Ambassador

[TonyTiger]

Sept 16, 2012 8:49:44 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

"...When I take into account the drone attacks, I draw a different conclusion..."

Ah, you were counterpointing... understood... missed it... thx...

[TonyTiger]

Sept 16, 2012 7:02:34 GMT -5 decoy409 said:

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What is it that you want from me, Decoy?

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 8:57:06 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

Sept 16, 2012 6:42:52 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Fortunately we have a President and Secretary of State who don't rely on "luck" (or "balls") but use their brains to target specific individuals and not geographical areas of the planet.

It would seem that geographical and religious ideals are targeting us.

Geographical and religious ideals don't kill people, people kill people.

[jarhead1976]

Sept 16, 2012 9:01:16 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 16, 2012 8:57:06 GMT -5 @jarhead1976 said:

It would seem that geographical and religious ideals are targeting us.

Geographical and religious ideals don't kill people, people kill people.

Ok the people within those geographical areas along with their religious ideals kill people

[billisonboard]

Begs the question: "Who do you mean by the 'middle west'"?

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Aren't the teachers in the Middle West's largest city on strike? Bunch of greedy people who want more money but don't want to be held accountable for their performance.




(Sarcasm detector: No, the above is not a serious comment about the Chicago teachers strike....)

[cereb]

Sept 12, 2012 10:05:13 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

yesterday.

The President's official backing of Arab Spring has brought results that were anticipated by a few of us here, who were condemned as being anti- Obama thugs.........

Anyway, an attack of an Embassy is an attack on American soil.
The assassination of an American Embassador is unaccceptable.
Seeing the President and Hillary Clinton at the White House this morning where the President stated he thanked the Libyan Government for taking the Embassador to the hospital where he was already dead, or dieing.

Not the correct response.
As the two turned from the podium, he put his hand around Hillary's back and walked away.
Not exactly, politically correct, imo.
I just wonder if once inside he asked Hillary if Bill had any ideas to pull him out of theis fiasco.

On the job training. Remember that four short years ago?
Well we got it.

Do you really believe this would have turned out differently had Romney been POTUS?

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 @bloomscuzzer said:

Sept 16, 2012 9:36:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Begs the question: "Who do you mean by the 'middle west'"?

To beg the question does not mean to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, notmsnmoney forum posters and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse.""

okay.

btw, Middle East should be capitalized.

[mmhmm]

I'm going to combine this thread with the previously started thread about the ME attacks. We don't need several threads about the same thing going at once, and combining them helps maintain continuity of discussion.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 @bloomscuzzer said:

Sept 16, 2012 9:36:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Begs the question: "Who do you mean by the 'middle west'"?

To beg the question does not mean to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, notmsnmoney forum posters and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse.""

also: begthequestion.info/

pla·gia·rism
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noun
1.
an act or instance of using or closely imitating the language and thoughts of another author without authorization and the representation of that author's work as one's own, as by not crediting the original author: It is said that he plagiarized Thoreau's plagiarism of a line written by Montaigne. Synonyms: appropriation, infringement, piracy, counterfeiting; theft, borrowing, cribbing, passing off.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism

[billisonboard]

Message deleted by billisonboard.

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 9:43:00 GMT -5 @bloomscuzzer said:

Sept 16, 2012 9:36:18 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Begs the question: "Who do you mean by the 'middle west'"?

To beg the question does not mean to raise the question." (e.g. "It begs the question, why is he so dumb?") This is a common error of usage made by those who mistake the word "question" in the phrase to refer to a literal question. Sadly, the error has grown more and more common with time, such that even journalists, advertisers, notmsnmoney forum posters and major mass media entities have fallen prey to "BTQ Abuse.""

The part that really pisses me off is that right before I posted it, I thought I shouldn't. Was just too lazy to change the wording. Gets me every time.

[mmhmm]

I'm going to combine this thread with the ongoing thread about the ME attacks to maintain continuity of discussion.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

*Please excuse the delay in combining threads. I got interrupted in the middle of my combining stuff! *

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 10:01:34 GMT -5 @bloomscuzzer said:

Sept 16, 2012 8:37:20 GMT -5 TonyTiger said:

The conclusion that I draw is that drone technology has allowed us to conduct surgical strikes in many instances in which we might formerly have launched an expedtion to make a kill; thereby accelerating the timeline for such strikes, allowing us to be more precise and certain in many circumstances, to lessen collateral mortality and damage, and to keep our own casualty figures down when conducting such operations.

There are substantive pros and cons to such uses of technology, including
humanitarian and political effects and concerns.

Care to provide some insight into your own conclusions on this?

Indiscriminately Killing people with drones is cowardly and evil. Taking the govt word that all the dead are militants is about as wrong as a person can get.

Bow and arrow allows a person to kill with a physical motion away from the person being killed. Starting there, all technological advances have be cowardly and evil.

[billisonboard]

Sept 16, 2012 10:25:32 GMT -5 @bloomscuzzer said:

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Shooting a guy with a bow and arrow, gun or bomber involves the guy doing the killing be at some risk. Obama or Romney ordering some guy in Arizona to target some house in Pakistan is cowardly. ....

I am intrigued by this line of thinking. So it is the fact that the person who has been ordered to kill is not at risk of being killed also that makes it a cowardly act? Is the cowardly act only the ordering or is the act itself cowardly? Once all air defense has been neutralized, does bombing become cowardly? Seems like there is some interesting "gray" in this.