America was attacked again on 9-11

[Value Buy]

yesterday.

The President's official backing of Arab Spring has brought results that were anticipated by a few of us here, who were condemned as being anti- Obama thugs.........

Anyway, an attack of an Embassy is an attack on American soil.
The assassination of an American Embassador is unaccceptable.
Seeing the President and Hillary Clinton at the White House this morning where the President stated he thanked the Libyan Government for taking the Embassador to the hospital where he was already dead, or dieing.

Not the correct response.
As the two turned from the podium, he put his hand around Hillary's back and walked away.
Not exactly, politically correct, imo.
I just wonder if once inside he asked Hillary if Bill had any ideas to pull him out of theis fiasco.

On the job training. Remember that four short years ago?
Well we got it.

[Value Buy]

I assume the liberal members here can at least agree, 9-11 was not an accident as the date of this attack.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2012 10:10:22 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I will let this thread stand as is for now, but it may be merged with the other similar thread about the embassy attacks depending on what course it takes.

deminmaine- Moderator.

Dem, I looked and did not see another thread.....sorry

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2012 10:12:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:10:22 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I will let this thread stand as is for now, but it may be merged with the other similar thread about the embassy attacks depending on what course it takes.

deminmaine- Moderator.

Dem, I looked and did not see another thread.....sorry

How could you miss an obvious thread titled 'Flag in Cairo & Consulate in Libya-WTF?'

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2012 10:07:36 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I assume the liberal members here can at least agree, 9-11 was not an accident as the date of this attack.

I will wait for more information as to whether or not it was or was not an accident. If it was intended, pretty pitiful terrorist attack. Surely Muslim extremists can do better than that.

[Tennesseer]

Sept 12, 2012 10:21:27 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Well, I think that the starting premise of this thread is slightly different than that of the other thread, and the other thread is also dropping back. They could very easily become the same topic and warrant merging however.

I thought the other thread was about U.S. embassies/consulates being attacked. No?

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2012 10:18:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:12:35 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dem, I looked and did not see another thread.....sorry

How could you miss an obvious thread titled 'Flag in Cairo & Consulate in Libya-WTF?'

Well, it was down belowmy screen.
I thought it would be like the first five threads here, but I keep forgetting this board is basically dead now, and we barely acknowledge there is even an election here in November. Hell if the Canadians here did not keep reminding us of this, we could put this board as a "minor" title under EE and be done with it

[Tennesseer]

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Hillary is now asking " how could this happen"?
In a country that we helped........



Ahh, maybe if they let the CIA do their job......

[Value Buy]

Between Hillary and the President, I can see them asking themrselves "what would Bill do in this situation?
Issue a statement along the lines, I feel your Pain"?

"Justice will be done" sounds good, but, this demands action.
This is an act of war.

[Value Buy]

Sidenote:
Two American Embassies attacked in Middle East.
Crude oil futures are actually down although Brent crude slightly up.
Egypt does not export oil, but Libya certainly does.

So much for the theory of ME turmoil raising oil prices......Obviously the cost of oil already is priced in on "just the thought of turmoil"
Buy the rumor, sell the news is true today, as much as thirty years ago in the markets.

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2012 10:38:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Between Hillary and the President, I can see them asking themrselves "what would Bill do in this situation?
Issue a statement along the lines, I feel your Pain"?

"Justice will be done" sounds good, but, this demands action.
This is an act of war.

OK maybe I don't know all the info on this incident, but I understood that an American posted a home made video that incited some of the far right Muslim groups to protest against Americans? You think the release of the video was timed to come out on 9-11?

So if a group of right wing Christians from Tennessee surrounded the Egyptian embassy in D.C. and burned it to the ground with some Egyptians inside, would that be an act of war by America against Egypt? Or just one more instance of our home grown terrorists run amoke (like Timothy McVeigh?)

Personally I need to know more about what happened. Who made the video, who released the video, who spread the video around the Mideast, and what will the Libyian government say in response to this deplorable incident?

But then I'm not in the 'bomb them back to the stone age" camp.

[Value Buy]

Sept 12, 2012 10:59:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:38:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Between Hillary and the President, I can see them asking themrselves "what would Bill do in this situation?
Issue a statement along the lines, I feel your Pain"?

"Justice will be done" sounds good, but, this demands action.
This is an act of war.

But then I'm not in the 'bomb them back to the stone age" camp.

Neither am I. We know it is a radical few, along with some yound exhuberant males who got carried away with the crowds.
This has more to do with the President backing and encouraging Arab Spring and having it bite him in the butt.

[workpublic]

but I understood that an American posted a home made video that incited some of the far right Muslim groups to protest against Americans? You think the release of the video was timed to come out on 9-11?


the "movie" was made in june or july last year, not yesterday.

entertainment.time.com/2012/09/12/director-of-anti-muslim-film-goes-into-hiding-after-u-s-consulate-attacks/

It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

Read more: entertainment.time.com/2012/09/12/director-of-anti-muslim-film-goes-into-hiding-after-u-s-consulate-attacks/#ixzz26GwQMwNq

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2012 10:07:36 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I assume the liberal members here can at least agree, 9-11 was not an accident as the date of this attack.

no, it was no accident.

however, i am very much in favor of the Arab Spring, and other local, popular movements that move these nations away from authoritarian regimes and more in line with the Western model of elective government.

[deziloooooo]

Sept 12, 2012 10:23:29 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:18:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How could you miss an obvious thread titled 'Flag in Cairo & Consulate in Libya-WTF?'

Well, it was down belowmy screen.
I thought it would be like the first five threads here, but I keep forgetting this board is basically dead now, and we barely acknowledge there is even an election here in November. Hell if the Canadians here did not keep reminding us of this, we could put this board as a "minor" title under EE and be done with it

"but I keep forgetting this board is basically dead now, and we barely acknowledge there is even an election here in November."

Huh? Where are you getting that idea...seems there are new threads most days and as far as the election is concerned , from the recent Poll completed with comments and the back and forth regarding candidates..third party disagreements ...can't see how your coming to the conclusion that not much happening here.

Grant you we are a nice small clique here , unlike some message boards were there are so many posters one doesn't have a clue who is who and it seems people come by, throw up something and just move on never to be seen again..here , for most , they hang around, read what is being said and weigh in with their ideas and thoughts , again, and again , and... ;D

I will say more discussions and less back biting as it was back in the day, say 6 months or so ago..many of those types are no longer with us, either from just leaving or being shown the door..

[actually some allowed back after promising to mend their ways I am guessing, which is a nice thing to see...very mature way of handling things]

As far as the attack and sad news of the Ambassador in Libya..that is just not done..very serious. I thought that the attacks , both Egyptian and in Libya, were triggered by that docu/movie ..depicting Mohamed in some way..which is nuts but not being of the faith I might, well forget that...don't understand or accept as a excuse for.
However, didn't even put the two together ..anniversary of 9/11...interesting theory and very plausible , especially since Egypt, Libya..so close together both in location and recent events , Arab Spring...instigators of both located in both countries..

However , between the two countries..if that is the reason, not the anniversary of 9/11 being the catalyst..I can almost give Libya a bit of a bye....their government...vs Egypt. It isn't only a few months since Gaddafi was over thrown..do not even know how their government is formed..didn't think they have had elections yet..still trying to sort out controls with the Tribes..very Tribal community..42 years under Gaddafi and his control..didn't even know they had a real armed forces there..said they re the ones who took back the Embassy..

In Egypt..while a new government...Military is still in control, elections had been held, Muslim Brother hood is majority party..Military very strong..we are giving Egypt almost three Billion a year in aid..should have been in much better control..cannot allow mobs to go off like that when ever they get p off about something....That's why you have governments..to control things...if any one gets P off it is they in a official way..pulling ambassadors, breaking relations..declaring war..publicly denouncing..the civilized way..not breaking and entering as it was done in these two cases..

Regarding the comment on today's press announcement by the POTUS and Secretary of State, [Hillery]...arm around as the walked away after..seems the author of that post is really reaching ..all I will say..election hopes for the opposition candidate in his eyes must really be tanking..As far as thanking the Governments for their help in restoring order..getting medical aid for murdered Ambassador..in my opinion, he's, Obama, is being presidential..trying to keep a lid on it..Me, members of Congress, the General public..we can act like a mob..call for bombing the SOB's back to the stone age, "how dare they.." He has a different role and he is fulfilling it..

If he gives the order for putting them back to the time of their ancestors who lived in caves..it would be done less emotional, coached in terms that are a bit more civilized..and if he just keep the lid on and privately tells those in charge the way it is and what will not be tolerated..to get their act together , they will be held accountable..well that's what POTUS do.

[reasonfreedom]

Sept 12, 2012 10:59:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:38:26 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Between Hillary and the President, I can see them asking themrselves "what would Bill do in this situation?
Issue a statement along the lines, I feel your Pain"?

"Justice will be done" sounds good, but, this demands action.
This is an act of war.

OK maybe I don't know all the info on this incident, but I understood that an American posted a home made video that incited some of the far right Muslim groups to protest against Americans? You think the release of the video was timed to come out on 9-11?

So if a group of right wing Christians from Tennessee surrounded the Egyptian embassy in D.C. and burned it to the ground with some Egyptians inside, would that be an act of war by America against Egypt? Or just one more instance of our home grown terrorists run amoke (like Timothy McVeigh?)

Personally I need to know more about what happened. Who made the video, who released the video, who spread the video around the Mideast, and what will the Libyian government say in response to this deplorable incident?

But then I'm not in the 'bomb them back to the stone age" camp.

Technically, if we did that to the Egyptian embassy it would be an act of war. I personally think we should expect these things when we try to be an influence in other countries affairs.

[workpublic]

So if a group of right wing Christians from Tennessee surrounded the Egyptian embassy in D.C. and burned it to the ground with some Egyptians inside, would that be an act of war by America against Egypt?

if

i'll eat my hat when that happens.

[b2r]

The Movie clip in question.

[workpublic]

I personally think we should expect these things when we try to be an influence in other countries affairs.

so we shouldn't have supported the "arab spring"?

[workpublic]

It will be interesting to see how the Libyan and Egyptian governments react
so far; libya lip service, eygpt silence.

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2012 11:03:09 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Sept 12, 2012 10:59:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

But then I'm not in the 'bomb them back to the stone age" camp.

Neither am I. We know it is a readical few, along with some yound exhuberant males who got carried away with the crowds.
This has more to do with the President backing and encouraging Arab Spring and having it bite him in the butt.

Sorry I'm not following.

Why would we NOT encourage the Arab Spring? Aren't we always supposed to support countries that are struggling to rid themselves of oppressive dictators and impose a more democratic form of government?

What do you think Obama should have done when the first signs of unrest began in Libya and Egypt? Used that as an opportunity to attack them? Side with the dictators and try to help keep them in power? I don't understand what you think SHOULD have happened.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2012 11:09:23 GMT -5 b2r said:

The Movie clip in question.

wtf is that s(*t?

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Sept 12, 2012 11:08:57 GMT -5 workpublic said:

So if a group of right wing Christians from Tennessee surrounded the Egyptian embassy in D.C. and burned it to the ground with some Egyptians inside, would that be an act of war by America against Egypt?

if

i'll eat my hat when that happens.

No you will watch the Tennesseans being shot by Government troops with Chris Mathews on MSNBC demanding that the sons of the attackers be held accountable for their father's actions.

[workpublic]

move these nations away from authoritarian regimes and more in line with the Western model of elective government.

what? meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

you really think that the MB govt of eygpt is "more in line" with western democracy? ask the eygptian copts and other eygptian christians what they think.

[reasonfreedom]

Sept 12, 2012 11:09:42 GMT -5 workpublic said:

I personally think we should expect these things when we try to be an influence in other countries affairs.

so we shouldn't have supported the "arab spring"?

nope

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2012 11:08:57 GMT -5 workpublic said:

So if a group of right wing Christians from Tennessee surrounded the Egyptian embassy in D.C. and burned it to the ground with some Egyptians inside, would that be an act of war by America against Egypt?

if

i'll eat my hat when that happens.

What, you haven't heard about the radical religious right in this country bombing abortion clinics and killing abortion doctors because they think what they do is wrong?

There are Christian religious extremists just like there are muslim extremists. When they do idiotic things that should not be interpreted as the official policy of the country they're from.

[happyhoix]

Sept 12, 2012 11:15:24 GMT -5 workpublic said:

move these nations away from authoritarian regimes and more in line with the Western model of elective government.

what? meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

you really think that the MB govt of eygpt is "more in line" with western democracy? ask the eygptian copts and other eygptian christians what they think.

Doesn't matter what I think. We are not the policemen of the world. If Egypt wants to over throw their dictator and establish a new government, we need to stay out of their way. If we can stand on the sidelines and encourage them to try to establish a government that is more open and democratic, we should encourage that, too. And that is ALL we should do - no meddling.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2012 11:15:24 GMT -5 workpublic said:

move these nations away from authoritarian regimes and more in line with the Western model of elective government.

what? meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

you really think that the MB govt of eygpt is "more in line" with western democracy?

no, but i think they are far more representative of Egyptians than Mubarek was.

ask the eygptian copts and other eygptian christians what they think.

i am not talking about the government per se.

i am actually kinda shocked that Americans don't support democratic movements. i thought we at least PRETENDED to do that at one time.

but to be perfectly clear: i would rather have a dictator overthrown by popular movement under any circumstances, including the installation of a new dictator that was LESS "pro Western", than to have US come in and do it for them.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 12, 2012 11:25:21 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Sept 12, 2012 11:15:24 GMT -5 workpublic said:

move these nations away from authoritarian regimes and more in line with the Western model of elective government.

what? meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

you really think that the MB govt of eygpt is "more in line" with western democracy? ask the eygptian copts and other eygptian christians what they think.

Doesn't matter what I think. We are not the policemen of the world. If Egypt wants to over throw their dictator and establish a new government, we need to stay out of their way. If we can stand on the sidelines and encourage them to try to establish a government that is more open and democratic, we should encourage that, too. And that is ALL we should do - no meddling.

bingo.