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Post by dom on Sept 16, 2012 16:15:04 GMT -5
SL,
Sounds the more plausible explanation of any. Some great architect of the universe. People it seems, wouldn't be happy with no explanation or no enitity responsible for creation.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 16:31:40 GMT -5
According to the Catholic faith God has no beginning nor an end. He created heaven first, the earth was last. Since we are made in His image, I can see where He made a couple of mistakes, in that He was hoping for something more than what He got. ( with humans) The Old Testament talks about Noah and the flood. When it was over, God said he would never destroy the earth again with water. It appears He admitted to a mistake in that one. I can think of a couple other things as well.
Prayer, ROSE, is a conversation with God. But, I'm not sure how you stand on God. (the subject) I'm a bit confused about this. Don't ever be afraid to talk to Him. If one searches for Him, there He will be. I can say with all confidence that He would be happy to reveal Himself to any heart searching for Him in earnest.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 16:35:32 GMT -5
WELT said: You just said there has to be a beginning point, so how can God be eternal? From whence did he come?
There doesn't have to be a beginning. Humans can relate to a beginning. Anything else is beyond our present realm of knowledge.
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Post by dom on Sept 16, 2012 16:47:04 GMT -5
Ive heard God in the past being described as unknowable and unfathomable by the majority of religions.
How then does He reveal himself ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 16:47:20 GMT -5
Well a "god" with limitations is no God at all in my opinion. By the defintion that i ascribe to , that is not a "god".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 16:48:34 GMT -5
WELT said: You just said there has to be a beginning point, so how can God be eternal? From whence did he come? There doesn't have to be a beginning. Humans can relate to a beginning. Anything else is beyond our present realm of knowledge. So, matter is eternal then or what? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 16:49:56 GMT -5
Ive heard God in the past being described as unknowable and unfathomable by the majority of religions. How then does He reveal himself ? As i said, I do not believe God is unknowable or unfathomable. We can "know" something of God. He is not completely unknowable. However, we will never truly know or fathom all there is to know and understand . But, that doesn't mean we can't know God on some level. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 16, 2012 16:55:35 GMT -5
Well a "god" with limitations is no God at all in my opinion. By the defintion that i ascribe to , that is not a "god". But the god you say you believe in does have limitations - according to what is written. |
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Post by dom on Sept 16, 2012 16:59:11 GMT -5
My mistake.
Anyway, do you think a entheogenic or similar experience is a sound basis for any belief ?
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 17:00:57 GMT -5
Ive heard God in the past being described as unknowable and unfathomable by the majority of religions. How then does He reveal himself ? In so many ways. How about: (off the top of my head) nature and the eco system science in a person's heart and or spirit - when we are still we hear Him. He's not pushy or demanding. Just waiting for us to say a hi and listen. If we choose not to, then He accepts it. He would prefer we did. Not too much goofy or crazy. He prefers not to do magic tricks. Well, that's my understanding, anyway. |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 17:02:36 GMT -5
WELT said: You just said there has to be a beginning point, so how can God be eternal? From whence did he come? There doesn't have to be a beginning. Humans can relate to a beginning. Anything else is beyond our present realm of knowledge. So, matter is eternal then or what? No SHOO. God is eternal. |
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Post by dom on Sept 16, 2012 17:03:48 GMT -5
Shooby,
What do you imagine Heaven is like ?
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 17:06:45 GMT -5
Well a "god" with limitations is no God at all in my opinion. By the defintion that i ascribe to , that is not a "god". But the god you say you believe in does have limitations - according to what is written. What is written? Where is this writen? |
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Post by dom on Sept 16, 2012 17:09:40 GMT -5
How would i know He has heard me ? Are there any signs or confirmation ?
Years ago i tried talking to Him, but all i heard was my own voice answering myself.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 17:23:46 GMT -5
How would i know He has heard me ? Are there any signs or confirmation ? Years ago i tried talking to Him, but all i heard was my own voice answering myself. You have a spirit that recognizes His voice. With me it's a light bulb moment when I get up in the morning, before I'm out of bed. He conforms to a personality so a person gets the message. After a while, you recognize and know His 'voice'. In the same manner a child learns a parents voice. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 16, 2012 17:24:32 GMT -5
Study the book that is written about this god and come to your own conclusions as to its interpretation - not what someone tells you it means - that's what I have done.
I can't live my life according to some philosophy that was written by mere mortal prophets many eons ago.
I set my own philosophy to live by - part of which is to show tolerance and understanding without judgement or condemnation - even if I don't always agree.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 17:45:27 GMT -5
Study the book that is written about this god and come to your own conclusions as to its interpretation - not what someone tells you it means - that's what I have done. I can't live my life according to some philosophy that was written by mere mortal prophets many eons ago. I set my own philosophy to live by - which is to show tolerance and understanding without judgement or condemnation - even if I don't agree. What book? Are you referring to the Bible? I have read it front to back 3 times in 15 years and have seen nothing about this. What led you to believe I am led to my conclusions by others? Your comment appears to be born of something other than adult conversation. A tad on the condescending side and lacking tolerance. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 17:55:14 GMT -5
Well a "god" with limitations is no God at all in my opinion. By the defintion that i ascribe to , that is not a "god". But the god you say you believe in does have limitations - according to what is written. Well, i don't know what you mean so you will need to elaborate. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 17:56:34 GMT -5
So, matter is eternal then or what? No SHOO. God is eternal. I am not saying i believe matter is eternal, i am asking others if they believe matter is eternal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 17:58:16 GMT -5
Shooby, What do you imagine Heaven is like ? It would be a place of utter joy. No fear, terror, pain, etc. A place of unspeakable joy and beauty. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 16, 2012 17:59:47 GMT -5
If I did that, I'd be preaching my philosophy onto you - it's up to you to interpret what's written (about any religion). I've always been open to learning and understanding all kinds of beliefs (or lack thereof) and the reasons why people feel a certain way.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 16, 2012 18:01:33 GMT -5
I am not saying i believe matter is eternal, i am asking others if they believe matter is eternal. I know that! i mean I think God is eternal. Geez already  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 18:02:21 GMT -5
Do you believe that i believe that you know i believe God is eternal? lol  |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 16, 2012 20:19:17 GMT -5
Prayer, ROSE, is a conversation with God. But, I'm not sure how you stand on God. (the subject) I'm a bit confused about this. Don't ever be afraid to talk to Him. If one searches for Him, there He will be. I can say with all confidence that He would be happy to reveal Himself to any heart searching for Him in earnest.
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Many years ago, I went through a tremendous crisis of faith. I searched and searched for him. I talked to him. I looked for him everywhere. I prayed. I invited him into my heart. You know what happened? Absolutely nothing. He wasn't happy to reveal himself to me.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 16, 2012 21:02:42 GMT -5
Isn't that rather personal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 21:20:12 GMT -5
Lone - I think that is excellent question all around. How do each of think God should reveal Himself? Great food for thought.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 16, 2012 21:31:33 GMT -5
What exactly were you looking for from "him"?
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Looking for from him? I just wanted him to take up domicile in my heart again. He left and I wanted him back. I kept pounding and pounding on that door but he wasn't home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 21:33:59 GMT -5
I have asked myself that question to Lone. Like what do i really need to believe? Do i need a trumpet blast and 3 hallelujah choruses? Or, is God really the "still, small" voice that Elijah heard during a powerful storm. I will be pondering that all night.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 16, 2012 21:34:21 GMT -5
First there has to be proof that this "God" even exists. Maybe that's what some are seeking. Don't say "look around you". That is not proof enough. And thinking that "he" is responsible for all existence is a closed-minded way of thinking.
Have you ever heard of or read the works of Nostradamus ?? Interesting reading.
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