Heaven, Purgatory, and Hell

[mrsdutt]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you think reincarnation is viable, or are we just a speck of energy that dies when our physical being is lifeless? And if so, where does the energy a person generates go? If you believe in heaven or purgatory or hell, where do you think they are located?

Modified for spelling.

[Deleted]

I don't believe in Purgatory. One destination or the other. And, life is eternal and never extinguished.

[Opti]

Reincarnation is not only possible I go to the Salon.
(Well, I did. Reincarnations.)


No Purgatory, made up for monetary purposes by the Catholic Church IMO.

[mrsdutt]

LOL I'd forgotten about that! Good thing we now have access to education. ;D

I agree there were (are, have been) greedy pos in the Catholic church throughout history. I'm not sure if they made it past 'the gates'. I think if a person has a great responsibility to others, they're judged using the level of responsibility they accepted. Of course this isn't written in stone.

[Deleted]

Sept 11, 2012 6:56:38 GMT -5 Opti said:

Reincarnation is not only possible I go to the Salon.
(Well, I did. Reincarnations.)


No Purgatory, made up for monetary purposes by the Catholic Church IMO.

Yup. Don't forget to slam the Catholic church.

[Deleted]

Yup. Don't forget to slam the Catholic church.

That's not a slam. It is a legitimate historical evaluation. the next post is the slam

I think reincarnation is possible. Honestly, if life is eternal how the heck would we entertain ourselves for eternity?

[Deleted]

I'm open to suggestion about what happens upon death.

It might just be wishful thinking that we live on in some way.

I think that Heaven and Hell are concepts sprung from the imaginations of primitive men, though this does not remark upon their existence.

[Reckless Roselia]

Do you think reincarnation is viable, or are we just a speck of energy that dies when our physical being is lifeless?

I am sceptical on reincarnation but I have read convincing case studies of reincarnation so I don't know.

Resurrection is something that I would believe in as per my faith's requirements.

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Energy doesn't die.

[mrsdutt]

INNER said: I'm open to suggestion about what happens upon death.

If you are serious, PM me and I would be willing to share with you my thoughts.

[Deleted]

I don't believe heaven, purgatory or hell are physical places they are psychological places.

Reincarnation. If reincarnation is the evolution of the soul through lives and time then yes I would have to say I believe.

[busymom]

I do believe there is both a Heaven and a Hell. Just because a body dies, doesn't mean our spirit goes with it. I personally find the stories of people with near-death experiences facinating.

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Sept 11, 2012 18:33:58 GMT -5 busymom said:

I do believe there is both a Heaven and a Hell. Just because a body dies, doesn't mean our spirit goes with it. I personally find the stories of people with near-death experiences facinating.

You might enjoy this non fiction book.
Dying To Be Me: My Journey from Cancer, to Near Death, to True Healing by Anita Moorjani (Author)

[busymom]

Thanks Apple! I'm also trying to find a copy (at my library) of "Heaven is for Real", about that little boy's near death experience.

[mrsdutt]

Busy: Here's a story for you.

When our son was 4 he had a bone marrow transplant. He was not doing well at all. DH was in the room with him while I was at the R McDonald house with our other children. DH was going to get a cup of coffee when the room became extremely bright and he couldn't get up. We're flexible people, so he just took a nap, since our son was finally sleeping. When DS woke up he asked His dad why God (not Jesus, he was adamant that it was God) wore a dress. He played on God's lap outside the gates of heaven in a rocking chair. There were 3 of his favorite toys on the ground, but he chose to stay with God. When he said he liked the gates, God said he couldn't go in there if he wanted to go back to his mom and dad. He said OK, I want my mom and dad.

When he woke up his blood cell count went up every hour and we went home in 2 weeks.

He's now 31 and has recently let me document the experience ( I wouldn't do it without his permission) He drew a picture for me and wrote it down. He did tell us when he was 4 and the story did not change.

So yes, I have no doubt there is a God. The same God who created each of us in His imagine.

[busymom]

Dutt, that is AWESOME! It sounds like your DS was given the option, and he chose to stay with you.


Here's a story for you. The day one of my neighbor's lost her husband (he died suddenly at work), she told me she "saw" him when she was working in the kitchen. He gave her a hug, and then disappeared. She was reflecting on that, because she knew he was at work. A short time later, she got a call that he had collapsed at work. I think there are lots of spiritual experiences out there, if we're open to them, and I think children are the most receptive because they don't know what's "impossible".

[busymom]

Lone, my Dad was a WWII vet. So many young men died too young during that war. (And Korea, and Vietnam.) It makes you wonder if God gives people another chance to live a long life. How old is your grandson now? Is anyone in your family documenting the things he says? Another great kid! ;D

[mrsdutt]

LONE: How old is your grandson now? Makes you wonder if there's so much more information that we are unaware of.

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Sept 11, 2012 18:00:01 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

If you are serious, PM me and I would be willing to share with you my thoughts.

Hey there. Surely there's no need to rob the rest of the thread of such insights by limiting them to PM?

[femmefatale]

Sept 12, 2012 8:53:29 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Sept 11, 2012 18:00:01 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

If you are serious, PM me and I would be willing to share with you my thoughts.

Hey there. Surely there's no need to rob the rest of the thread of such insights by limiting them to PM?

Exactly. Inquiring minds wanna know.

[mrsdutt]

Sept 12, 2012 8:53:29 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Sept 11, 2012 18:00:01 GMT -5 mrsdutt said:

If you are serious, PM me and I would be willing to share with you my thoughts.

Hey there. Surely there's no need to rob the rest of the thread of such insights by limiting them to PM?

LOL I'm a coward! ;D

[mrsdutt]

Sept 12, 2012 8:54:17 GMT -5 @femmefatale said:

Sept 12, 2012 8:53:29 GMT -5 @devianity said:

Hey there. Surely there's no need to rob the rest of the thread of such insights by limiting them to PM?

Exactly. Inquiring minds wanna know.

I feel more courageous today. Here goes:

I do believe in heaven and hell. I also believe in purgatory. Not because I was told to, but upon years of reflection I have come to this conclusion.

Simply put, God created us. He knows we aren't perfect. Our environment is not perfect. So spiritual flaws are present.

Heaven is perfect, as pertaining to sin. Sin would stain the perfect balance of pure love. Since God loves us, like any parent does, He's provided an opportunity to reach heaven for His imperfect children. Purgatory. Purgatory is a safe place with areas of privacy. Each soul examines their life and comes to terms with their sins. I don't mean saying shit 42 times in one month. I mean how we treated one another. The mean things we've done to hurt each other. Things like this.

Example: A person steals 40.00 from someone. That 40.00 was meant to feed a family of 6. Now that family has no food for the week. The parents are besides themselves with fear and anxiety. One of the children reacts by closing their spirit to the goodness of others and focuses on the mean thing of stealing. This was a life altering experience for that child. The thief is responsible for the change. The child may never recover from the pain. A cycle has been created. Just from one selfish act. To enlarge the cycle, the thief tells his friends who think what he did was cool. So a few other people try this and are impressed with the results. Soon there is a whole area where people do this.

This person does a few other things to harm those around him. Then he becomes uncomfortable and changes his attitude. He moves forward through life being kind.

The person who stole the money has never acknowledged the act as being harmful. He is given an opportunity to examine this in purgatory. When he comes to terms with it he advances, and works on the next thing. Keep in mind God wants him in heaven with Him just because He loves the person. If He had a choice, He wants all of us there. Free will keeps us from spiritual nirvana.

There is a book called The Mist of Mercy, by Anne an Apostle. She wants no notoriety so she won't reveal her identity. For those who are Catholic her books are sanctioned by the church. You can find info at Directions for Our Times dot com if you find you are interested.

So that's my thought on God's love for us. Purgatory is a stop over that allows entrance into heaven for the majority of God's children.

Addendum: I also believe what we ask forgiveness for while on earth is forgiven at that time.

[ktunes]

biblically, there are multiple definitions for both heaven and hell...when i say definitions i mean there are different words used in the greek & hebrew for each...it makes a great bible study to look each one up, check the context of the versus where they appear, etc...

in short, this is what i believe the bible teaches...when you die, you're dead...like sleep with no dreams...until the resurrections...yes, the bible speaks of multiple resurrection...(btw, if we are eternal souls, why would we need resurrections..another interesting bible study btw)...now there are various scenarios depending on which resurrection you're talking about and i'm not going that deep into it...

but the bible clearly indicates that the earth will be made new and God will bring his throne here, to the earth, not us go there, meaning heaven...yes, it's in the bible...

the bible also refers to the second death...basically meaning that after having the chance to see life the way God meant it, and still rejecting it, when they case to exist, it will be for eternity, not being punished eternally...

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

This is a good thread ld. Your energy has to go somewhere that is for sure. I always wonder if this is tied into things like Deja Vu and how lonewolf is saying that her grandson swears he was in a war a one time. When you hear stories like busymom tells it really makes you think there is a purgatory. I don't think that any one religion has a monopoly on creating hell, the concept of demons seems to have followed us around since the beginning of time. I know, more history. This one is about 1h 30 min, it has some interesting info about science and the Earth itself though, not just religion.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Classic... Good evening ktunes..

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the bible also refers to the second death...basically meaning that after having the chance to see life the way God meant it, and still rejecting it, *when they case to exist, it will be for eternity, not being punished eternally...

Ktunes.. From the asterisk forward, is the third time I've heard this stated. I must do the study. One too many folks have been saying this in my hearing.. I am in a need to know mode now..

[Deleted]

Oh gosh, Aham.. That is a very l--o--n--g video.

You're kidding, right?

Hello, by the way..

Goodnight all..

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Thanks. He's 9 and we haven't documented anything. We just go around shaking our heads in disbelief over some of the things he says. He doesn't connect with Korea or Vietnam. It's all about WW2.

It's an interesting thing for sure. Kids pick up on the craziest things..

Oh gosh, Aham.. That is a very l--o--n--g video.

You're kidding, right?

I know, it's so crazy though. You could watch it in 20 min chuncks... ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Those are the things that I always wonder about. Or say dreams that are so real you swear you were there. Again Deja Vu.. It's the recycling of energy that seems to exists that interests me.

The video is very interesting. There is a guy on there that almost dies, has a feeling of blackness come over him the likes he has never felt, kind the opposite of what ld is talking about, and he comes back and spends the rest of his life trying to get people to turn to the light. It's crazy how ALL cultures and religions over the years have had the concept of hell.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

I would imagine that you could make God mad enough with your choices in your lifetime that eventually your spirit would end up on the negative side of the equation.

[ktunes]

Ktunes.. From the asterisk forward, is the third time I've heard this stated. I must do the study. One too many folks have been saying this in my hearing.. I am in a need to know mode now..

heart...i believe most people's beliefs are a byproduct of their raising...i was raised catholic and pretty much accepted that because my parents did...i pretty much thought what i was taught was bible based...

pretty much lost interest in my teens and didn't really didn't get interested in how did we get here type of thinking until my mid 20's...when i actually started to study the bible in subjects, i found it taught vastly different things than what some modern denominations teach in the mainstream...but it's right there to see...

just on this message board alone, so many have said they are turned off by a God that could allow suffering...why does God allow it?...would He punish someone forever?...that message and teaching has been long misunderstood...

a good concordance and lexicon help greatly when you study the bible by subject...hope you have a good look into it...