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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 18, 2012 15:19:10 GMT -5
Yes, he knew what was going to happen. If you "knew" that if you had children and some of those children would choose to go down a terrible path in life, would you choose not to have any children then at all? If I knew that my child would become the equivalent of Stalin, and responsible for many atrocities, then no. I wouldn't have children at all.  |
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Post by busymom on Sept 18, 2012 15:41:22 GMT -5
Yup, free will!  Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 16:05:47 GMT -5
Yup, free will! Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... Having created my children I don't think I'll go that route with them.  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 18, 2012 16:16:10 GMT -5
Yup, free will! Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... Exactly. This is what some people fail to understand when it comes to Christanity. God didn't make us into robots upon birth. He gave us "free will"...I have said this time and time again. As children, we're innocent, until we are old enough, to know better. Suffice to say, I sure don't walk the straight and narrow.  But, I believe I know who my Maker is. And as Paul Harvey says, "that's the rest of the story".... ;D |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 18, 2012 16:16:44 GMT -5
Yup, free will! Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... Agreed, but since we have the choice, why destroy all of creation except for for one family and two of each animal? Why can't we just be allowed to live with our choices? Again, sounds like an anger management problem. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 18, 2012 16:18:05 GMT -5
Instead of "You made your bed, now lie in it", it's "I'm really pissed and you're all gonna die!!"
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 18, 2012 16:18:17 GMT -5
Yup, free will! Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... Having created my children I don't think I'll go that route with them. What if one of your children grow up to become a believer, would you try to change their minds? Or would you respect their wishes and let them believe what makes them happy? I've known many raised in churches (made to go) and then when they have grown up, they become atheists. (and vice versa) How would you handle that, Apps? Out of curiosity. (hypothetical question) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 16:19:14 GMT -5
Yup, free will! Everyone is created with a choice. If God had created us without the freedom of choice, we'd be nothing more than mindless robots. I remember hearing some preacher say (I wish I could remember which one) that God loves us so much, (but, wants us to choose to be with Him), that if we wish it, he would walk us to the gates of Hell. But it's our choice.... Agreed, but since we have the choice, why destroy all of creation except for for one family and two of each animal? Why can't we just be allowed to live with our choices? Again, sounds like an anger management problem. A bit of an over reaction perhaps.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 16:20:13 GMT -5
Having created my children I don't think I'll go that route with them. What if one of your children grow up to become a believer, would you try to change their minds? Or would you respect their wishes and let them believe what makes them happy? I've known many raised in churches (made to go) and then when they have grown up, they become atheists. (and vice versa) How would you handle that, Apps? Out of curiosity. (hypothetical question) My daughter goes to church, I make arrangements for her to go and I have gone with her. Its her choice, thats my version of free will.  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 18, 2012 16:21:46 GMT -5
You put that inside my quote box, so as I was reading, I got all confused. Don't do that to meh! Well, that's good that you're open minded to that. (and supportive) And free will is exercised by everyone. We all have a choice. Just sayin. Being you, as a parent, support her in that, is great.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 16:22:55 GMT -5
You put that inside my quote box, so as I was reading, I got all confused. Don't do that to meh! Well, that's good that you're open minded to that. (and supportive) I know I messed it up. lol sowwwwy! |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 18, 2012 16:24:45 GMT -5
You put that inside my quote box, so as I was reading, I got all confused. Don't do that to meh! Well, that's good that you're open minded to that. (and supportive) I know I messed it up. lol sowwwwy! Forgiven this time, Missy!   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 16:31:23 GMT -5
I know I messed it up. lol sowwwwy! Forgiven this time, Missy! Back atcha!  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 23:33:17 GMT -5
Where did everyone go? Did the Rapture occur!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 23:41:40 GMT -5
However, I certainly wouldn't have children and then kill them. I keep seeing this and snickering. sorry but its funny. |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 19, 2012 0:31:00 GMT -5
God can choose to make any world He chooses weltz. Sorry you didn't get consulted.  It has nothing to do with getting consulted. You can't accuse the devil of anger issues and mass murder, when God did the same thing. If God can [glow=teal,2,300]give[/glow] then surely He has the right to [glow=red,2,300]take[/glow]? So I don't see God as a Mass Murderer. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 0:36:57 GMT -5
God is Holy presiding over a fallen and sinful world. So, rather than be surprised that God would meet out what is just punishment, why are we not surprised instead at his patience in dealing with Man? Is it possible God has to use force at times for the greater good like a policeman might have to use force? If you angry that God did not create a Perfect world, then i don't know how to answer that. Only to say that God choose to create beings who are capable of choosing to love Him or choosing not to love him. And, by creating us in that fashion, then the unthinkable (evil) therefore becomes possible. And, since we were given Free Will, we choose to love or not love. Some choose not to. And, as a result, we are all intertwined and innocents do suffer in this present world. But, have the assurance that this earth is temporal and wrongs will be righted in the end.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 19, 2012 7:05:25 GMT -5
God is Holy presiding over a fallen and sinful world. So, rather than be surprised that God would meet out what is just punishment, why are we not surprised instead at his patience in dealing with Man? Is it possible God has to use force at times for the greater good like a policeman might have to use force? If you angry that God did not create a Perfect world, then i don't know how to answer that. Only to say that God choose to create beings who are capable of choosing to love Him or choosing not to love him. And, by creating us in that fashion, then the unthinkable (evil) therefore becomes possible. And, since we were given Free Will, we choose to love or not love. Some choose not to. And, as a result, we are all intertwined and innocents do suffer in this present world. But, have the assurance that this earth is temporal and wrongs will be righted in the end. That about sums it up. |
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Post by beags on Sept 19, 2012 7:46:23 GMT -5
However, I certainly wouldn't have children and then kill them. but we all feel like doing so sometimes. |
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Post by beags on Sept 19, 2012 7:50:07 GMT -5
It's hard to deny that God is a mass murderer when you read the bible.
First there's the army that was drowned in saving Moses and his people.
then we have those two cities He burned down
and the flood.
Then he created the rainbow as a symbol that He would never destroy us again. Then his son came and we have the part of the bible that shows God as loving and forgiving.
Then we have the rapture.
It's all so confusing . . . . .
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Post by beags on Sept 19, 2012 7:58:25 GMT -5
Since most are saying that god is the creator of all things, it stands to reason that the devil (or evil spirit) is his work as well.
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You're absolutely correct. Do you not know the story of Satan . . aka Lucifer?
He was once an angel and was best buds with God. . . . . until he thought he was better than God and tried to overthrow him.
God threw Lucifer from heaven.
Thus hell was created and Lucifer resided over that.
(that's the kiddie version . . I don't have time to look up bible quotes . . but that's how it happened.)
If we read the bible none of us measure up and we are all going to hell. How's that?
I may believe in God, but they call me Satan's Spawn at work.
I KNOW where I'm going.
Does death scare me? No.
Do I believe there is a heaven? Yes
Do I believe there is a hell? yes, but not the one they talk of.
Do I believe in purgatory? You know only ONE religion preaches it (catholic), so how can it be true?
When it comes right down to it . . . . . is any of it real? We will never know until we die. It's not like we can come back and say I told you so.
The athiests could be right, it may all be a fairy tale.
The christians could be right, and we will all go to either place.
BUT if our God is truly a loving and forgiving God . . . . wouldn't EVERYONE go to heaven regardless of what we believed here on earth?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 8:23:24 GMT -5
BUT if our God is truly a loving and forgiving God . . . . wouldn't EVERYONE go to heaven regardless of what we believed here on earth?
God is absolutely Holy. Even one sin cannot enter His Presence. He Choose to create creatures capable of freely and totally loving him or not. Creatures capable of morality and immorality. And, in the "image of God" we make moral or immoral choices. God created animals, they do not have that ability. We do not consider an animal immoral or moral. But, because of how we were created there is a balance between Justice/Holiness and Mercy and Grace and Forgiveness. For God to wipe out the people on earth is ABSOLUTELY the penalty we ALL deserve. The fact that He doesn't shows His patience and longsuffering. And, He did provide The Way to redeem mankind through the person of Jesus Christ.
That is MY belief. If you choose to believe or disbelieve, that is your choice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 8:38:57 GMT -5
For God to wipe out the people on earth is ABSOLUTELY the penalty we ALL deserve.  Might be best to speak for yourself on these matters, Shoobz ;D |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 19, 2012 9:24:04 GMT -5
;D Oh lawd. Y'all have me cackling out loud.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 19, 2012 9:30:15 GMT -5
BEAG said: The athiests could be right, it may all be a fairy tale. The christians could be right, and we will all go to either place. And the Catholics could be right too. It's not what we believe so much as how we behave. I do know this is an age of mercy and each individual will be judged on a personal level because of the lies that people are taken in by. There's multitude of them out there. It's difficult to know the truth any more. I don't profess to know what the criteria is. Guess - you're right- we will just have to die to know it all. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 19, 2012 9:47:02 GMT -5
Is that what you were taught and believe? That this god does not forgive sin? You must have read a different Bible.
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 19, 2012 9:52:30 GMT -5
Is that what you were taught and believe? That this god does not forgive sin? You must have read a different Bible. God created Sin. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2012 10:07:19 GMT -5
Is that what you were taught and believe? That this god does not forgive sin? You must have read a different Bible. "Without shedding of blood is no remission of sins". "All our righteousness is as filthy rags". If you would like me to continue to quote the Bible SL, i would be happy too with chapter and verse. As for forgiveness, Jesus Christ is the sacrificial lamb and God provided a way of forgiveness through Him. That is what my Bible says. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 19, 2012 10:21:33 GMT -5
Yet you said "even one sin cannot enter heaven".
Now you say god provided a way of foregiveness. That's very inconsistent & contradictory.
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