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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:22:46 GMT -5
Lone - I think that is excellent question all around. How do each of think God should reveal Himself? Great food for thought.  |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:31:42 GMT -5
Lone - I think that is excellent question all around. How do each of think God should reveal Himself? Great food for thought. Thanks, Shooby. This is a question I am having trouble answering for myself. My take on this question is: My understanding is that God speaks to each of us in ways that we -on a personal level - can understand. As an example: If a person is science oriented they will go through the steps of discovery to find an answer. Just who they are. God relates to that and gives spiritual answers through this manner. This way that person can have an 'aahh' moment. This is not to say it would be the only manner in which God speaks to that person because our personalities have multiple facets. But it is a good start. There's multiple layers to this answer, but this is a stable beginning. |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:33:40 GMT -5
What exactly were you looking for from "him"? ---------------- Looking for from him? I just wanted him to take up domicile in my heart again. He left and I wanted him back. I kept pounding and pounding on that door but he wasn't home.  |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:36:08 GMT -5
First there has to be proof that this "God" even exists. Maybe that's what some are seeking. Don't say "look around you". That is not proof enough. And thinking that "he" is responsible for all existence is a closed-minded way of thinking. Have you ever heard of or read the works of Nostradamus ?? Interesting reading. The words 'proof' and 'faith' are like water and oil. They only mix well when shaken. Then only temporarily. |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:43:53 GMT -5
LASSIE said: In a sense, yes. But faith also does not make something so. Which is why I'm having trouble with some people insisitng that god DOES exist. Just because they have faith or believe it to be so, doesn't mean that's the way it is.
It doesn't mean it's not so, either.
With all due respect, you seem inherently angry with those that do believe in God.
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 5:58:01 GMT -5
According to the Catholic faith God has no beginning nor an end. He created heaven first, the earth was last. Since we are made in His image, I can see where He made a couple of mistakes, in that He was hoping for something more than what He got. ( with humans) The Old Testament talks about Noah and the flood. When it was over, God said he would never destroy the earth again with water. It appears He admitted to a mistake in that one. I can think of a couple other things as well. Prayer, ROSE, is a conversation with God. But, I'm not sure how you stand on God. (the subject) I'm a bit confused about this. Don't ever be afraid to talk to Him. If one searches for Him, there He will be. I can say with all confidence that He would be happy to reveal Himself to any heart searching for Him in earnest. I am confused myself where I stand with God, Idin. I still have faith in Him but not so strong as other believers here. Maybe I am a semi or mini believer? (You can check my True Believer Syndrome thread to see my views again.  It's the feeling of using God for selfish reasons that puts me away or off prayers. I do wish sometimes and use His name hoping He'd listen but I don't know why I just feel guilty of praying and this concept is odd to me and new to my parents. They also tell me with what you say that God loves His people to pray to Him and to ask Him of things, etc. But He too gives without asking, no? Does He listen to every prayer or do they get saved in a Prayer Bank? ROSE: To answer your last question first, there was a time that many prayers were placed in what you refer to as 'a prayer bank'. Not all of them, but quite a few. It was a time of developing faith. At the present time the 'bank' has been opened and all of the prayers are now being answered, whether it appears so or not. Personal prayer is not in that bank. It is answered according to the situation and the timing of a situation. There are times when the answer is 'no' because it's not good for us. Kind of like when a child wants to rush across a street to grab a toy and we hold him back. We let him cross, but with safety and assistance. No matter what anyone has told you, you stand with God the same place everyone else does. In His Divine love. I promise you if you let your spirit open to this and ask God to feel His love, He will do this for you. Also, it's good to search for God, but sometimes people get caught up in the search. He is a simple God. All the rules and information is minutia. He loves each of us and knows each of us. The end. And the beginning. |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 6:01:52 GMT -5
Here's my thing about faith... if anyone else lied to me as frequently or had as many internal inconsistencies as most religions do, I sure as hell wouldn't have faith in them, so why would I put faith in the magical sky creature/s? God and religion are not the same thing. God has no religion. Rules are fabricated by man to hold control over others. In all areas of life. Some, like crossing on green are meant to keep us safe. |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 6:04:10 GMT -5
God would have to be free of all races and sex to be a fair God. God, yes. Jesus, no. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 7:53:52 GMT -5
God and religion are not the same thing. God has no religion. Rules are fabricated by man to hold control over others.  |
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Post by mrsdutt on Sept 17, 2012 7:56:42 GMT -5
God and religion are not the same thing. God has no religion. Rules are fabricated by man to hold control over others. Aw shucks  Thank you. |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 8:27:19 GMT -5
God and religion are not the same thing. God has no religion. Rules are fabricated by man to hold control over others. I'll second that, ld....You're right, He isn't a "religion"...just an all loving God with lots of mercy. "Religion" drives me a bit crazy. Always one or the other claiming they are the better "Christian" and etc. That's NOT how God intended it.  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 8:33:24 GMT -5
GM, Lone. How is your morning?  |
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 17, 2012 8:49:42 GMT -5
Here's my thing about faith... if anyone else lied to me as frequently or had as many internal inconsistencies as most religions do, I sure as hell wouldn't have faith in them, so why would I put faith in the magical sky creature/s? God and religion are not the same thing. God has no religion. Rules are fabricated by man to hold control over others. In all areas of life. Some, like crossing on green are meant to keep us safe. Yes, and yet you (having chosen to use the word "God") have based your notion of this entity on a religious structure. The two may not be identical, but the two go hand in hand. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 17, 2012 9:40:08 GMT -5
Odd that the ones who claim to be strong believers are here high-fiving each other and ingoring what those who question religion or whether there is a god are saying. There already is a God Loving People thread for expressing their beliefs - if they have proof or evidence to present, I'd like to hear it, but so far they haven't provided anything for the other side to think about or consider.
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 17, 2012 9:46:54 GMT -5
Odd that the ones who claim to be strong believers are here high-fiving each other and ingoring what those who question religion or whether there is a god are saying. There already is a God Loving People thread for expressing their beliefs - if they have proof or evidence to present, I'd like to hear it, but so far they haven't provided anything for the other side to think about or consider. |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 9:50:37 GMT -5
Now, who's high fiving? Pffft! Something wrong with giving karma to people we agree with, Lassie? You are too funny.  |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 17, 2012 9:52:23 GMT -5
Yet JC was Jewish. Werid huh? Is life fair Roselia?  Life is unfair, Aham, indeed you are correct but that doesn't mean that the Creator has to be that of an unfair nature. Is it fair if God creates disabled children? If so, why is it fair and if not, why not? How can an All Powerful God have gender or a race? Why the partiality to the other races? If you're implying that God is a Jew then does that mean only the Jews will enter the Heaven? |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 17, 2012 9:56:35 GMT -5
So do you have anything valid to offer as proof or evidence? I'll await your answer.
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 17, 2012 9:56:37 GMT -5
Roselia, If you know that. Why then are most religions constantly at each others throats ? Hello Dom, It's a matter of my God is better than yours or my religion is better and is the truth. I do believe in a One True God. That's what my religion taught me as you know. Many scriptures too point out to a One True God. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 9:57:50 GMT -5
Religion has been used as the rod to measure success.. Sizing one believer's success against another is unwise since we as (believer's) are supposedly, one..  The Latin word (religio-religare) from which the English word "religion" is derived means "to bind up." Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship with God. It's like any relationship.. Each one is walked out differently.. No one person's standard fits every relationship. Grace, conforms the believer's standards according to the liberty God grants, allowing every believer to walk out their own salvation. One families' standard may be a once a week family outing whereas the next (believer or non believer's) family standard might be, a once a month outing.. Both are right and should not impose their standards on the other. There are absolutes within any relationship to remain in the best kind of relationship agreed upon, such as: Coming together as a family. Dinner time, play time, vacation time, quiet time etc.. Giving of family members to the other in all sorts of ways to help make the home run smoothly or at least smoother (we do know every family has all sorts of challenges).. Families encourage and provoke one another to excel in life in every way.. In other words, all that make up your home standard is a relationship, not a religion, though your standards are practiced religiously.. In a home with children, we sure hope our children follow the standard we, the parent(s) have set before them, religiously.. |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 10:03:02 GMT -5
So do you have anything valid to offer as proof or evidence? I'll await your answer. Do you have any proof that there isn't a God? I'll await yours as well. And please don't say it is because you haven't seen, or touched or talked to Him. We've all heard that one a million times, too, from non-believers. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 17, 2012 10:07:44 GMT -5
Now you're just avoiding answering my question by turning it around. I didn't think you'd have an answer.
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 17, 2012 10:10:06 GMT -5
Hello Dom, It's a matter of my God is better than yours or my religion is better and is the truth. I do believe in a One True God. That's what my religion taught me as you know. Many scriptures too point out to a One True God. Many of us believe in "One true God," so what's the problem? I believe the solution to the problem is also in the post itself. If many believe in the One True God then why are some religions constantly at each other's throats. Dom has brought forth a valid point, Lone. Does God wear different coats or uniforms? Food for thought perhaps. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:10:59 GMT -5
Odd that the ones who claim to be strong believers are here high-fiving each other and ingoring what those who question religion or whether there is a god are saying. There already is a God Loving People thread for expressing their beliefs - if they have proof or evidence to present, I'd like to hear it, but so far they haven't provided anything for the other side to think about or consider. I tried to stay on topic concerning religion. I know I will not be able to convince anyone about God no matter what, so I don't even try to. I will share what I believe, but not debate whether I believe in the God I worship. I am already convinced.  |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 10:13:44 GMT -5
Now you're just avoiding answering my question by turning it around. I didn't think you'd have an answer. Remember yesterday, you said don't talk to each other about personal beliefs? You said discuss the subject. Thought you might forget that.  I have my reasons why I believe and I don't need to offer you or anyone else proof of my beliefs, other than me. We are all supposed to respect each others beliefs, remember? I also didn't figure you would have an answer to my question, either, Lassie. You have a great day. |
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 17, 2012 10:14:49 GMT -5
Hello Idin, Thank you for your reply. It's a nice read and I do respect your beliefs because I've been taught the same re: the prayer bank. I've nothing to comeback with. |
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Sept 17, 2012 10:15:52 GMT -5
Exactly - that's what the God Loving People thread is for - those who already believe and want to share their beliefs with each other.
This thread is for questioning religion not for trying to convert people or preach.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 17, 2012 10:16:09 GMT -5
Prayer, ROSE, is a conversation with God. But, I'm not sure how you stand on God. (the subject) I'm a bit confused about this. Don't ever be afraid to talk to Him. If one searches for Him, there He will be. I can say with all confidence that He would be happy to reveal Himself to any heart searching for Him in earnest. ---------------- Many years ago, I went through a tremendous crisis of faith. I searched and searched for him. I talked to him. I looked for him everywhere. I prayed. I invited him into my heart. You know what happened? Absolutely nothing. He wasn't happy to reveal himself to me. Oh WELT, I'm so sorry things worked out this way for you. I don't know what happened, but there are times when we ask for something and He does answer, but the answer is no. It's no because what we think we need or want - in the end- is not good for us. Could you take some time, in hind sight, and review the situation to see if this might be the case? I see that you are very intelligent (from your posts) and educated. Using the scientific steps for a hypothesis would be right up your alley. Good luck. So what you're saying is that God decided that faith wasn't good for me? It isn't what I needed or wanted, so the answer was "no"? |
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Post by femmefatale on Sept 17, 2012 10:19:43 GMT -5
Exactly - that's what the God Loving People thread is for - those who already believe and want to share their beliefs with each other. This thread is for questioning religion not for trying to convert people or preach. No one has tried to "preach" at all. You have also sat in here and called us "so called believers" and been very snarky towards the fact that you haven't yet received "proof" and you are awaiting the answer. That is not what this thread is about. If you wanna throw stones, take a look at what you're saying, yourself. Nobody has said anything about anyone's beliefs. This isn't "Does God Exist: thread, either. I have barely made any comments at all, but because I believe, you come in behind me with a snarky post, poking. But as Heart said, I'm not debating with you or anyone else, but I am allowed to make a comment, as is anyone else. And if I wanna give karma to someone for posting something I agree with, I will do that also? Are you saying believers are not supposed to be on here and that I should be minimized to the God thread? I didn't know I was supposed to be confined to one thread. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 17, 2012 10:20:14 GMT -5
If you're implying that God is a Jew then does that mean only the Jews will enter the Heaven?
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Actually, the Jewish faith posits that anyone can get into heaven. You don't have to be Jewish.
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