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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 4, 2012 17:43:51 GMT -5
"Your turn"
Fair enough. I wouldn't call it small minded. But I think being exposed to different cultures can enrich your life with different forms of music, food, ideas and the like. I like having my ideas on the world challenged.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 4, 2012 17:44:11 GMT -5
Obviously I did not express myself well. I am white and middle class. I exist in a city and state with few minorities. I wish I (and my children) had more exposure to persons of different races and differenct ethnic and economic backgrounds. My world is much too homogenous. That's what I hated about where we used to live. I don't think homogeny does my kids any favors. I love living in a very diverse city. I like that my son's best friends are Ethiopian and Jamaican and Philipino (whose dad is a tranny, to boot). He's very tolerant and accepting of all cultures and lifestyles. He understands that we're all alike under the surface. I enjoy the different cultures, the music and the food. Oh god! The food!
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 17:48:34 GMT -5
"Your turn" Fair enough. I wouldn't call it small minded. But I think being exposed to different cultures can enrich your life with different forms of music, food, ideas and the like. I like having my ideas on the world challenged. Ok, so why would it be preferable to have homogeny?
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 17:49:29 GMT -5
That's what I hated about where we used to live. I don't think homogeny does my kids any favors. I love living in a very diverse city. I like that my son's best friends are Ethiopian and Jamaican and Philipino (whose dad is a tranny, to boot). He's very tolerant and accepting of all cultures and lifestyles. He understands that we're all alike under the surface. I enjoy the different cultures, the music and the food. Oh god! The food! Very jealous. I find that type of environment so enriching.
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Post by kittensaver on Sept 4, 2012 18:02:49 GMT -5
I love living in a very diverse city. I like that my son's best friends are Ethiopian and Jamaican and Philipino (whose dad is a tranny, to boot). He's very tolerant and accepting of all cultures and lifestyles. He understands that we're all alike under the surface. I enjoy the different cultures, the music and the food. Oh god! The food! Very jealous. I find that type of environment so enriching. Agreed! I live in a huge melting-pot cosmopolitan area, and I love feeling comfortable rubbing shoulders with folks from cultures and races from all over the world. To me, it IS a very life-enriching experience.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 18:05:50 GMT -5
You all need to live where I do. I'm the minority here! We have Indian, Chinese, Korean, Hatian, Columbian, Porta Rican, New Yorkian... ;D
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 4, 2012 18:06:17 GMT -5
Interesting why you don't buy homes in certain areas if you want your child and yourself exposed to all kinds of cultures. But you want the right schools and pay for them, or someone else pays for them. Those aren't always as mixed as you want to think. At least you don't use your children in your great social experiment.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 18:07:41 GMT -5
Our schools are A rated so win, win.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 18:11:37 GMT -5
Interesting why you don't buy homes in certain areas if you want your child and yourself exposed to all kinds of cultures. But you want the right schools and pay for them, or someone else pays for them. Those aren't always as mixed as you want to think. At least you don't use your children in your great social experiment. I couldn't afford the most ethnically diverse areas nearby.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 4, 2012 18:11:46 GMT -5
"Ok, so why would it be preferable to have homogeny?"
I never said it would be preferable. I said I understand why some would find it preferable to have diversity, even if I don't personally go out of my way to seek it.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 4, 2012 18:12:45 GMT -5
"I love living in a very diverse city." Canada is diverse? That's news to me
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 18:13:37 GMT -5
MM, LMAO!!! I love the things kids say. Sometimes I wish I had one. With a return label...
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 18:13:53 GMT -5
"Ok, so why would it be preferable to have homogeny?" I never said it would be preferable. I said I understand why some would find it preferable to have diversity, even if I don't personally go out of my way to seek it. I don't even understand it, hence why I'm asking for your insight.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 4, 2012 18:14:15 GMT -5
Actually around here I'm pretty sure whites aren't the largest minority in the schools. I think Hispanics have that distinction. However, there's no single racial group that's a numerical majority.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 18:14:31 GMT -5
"I love living in a very diverse city." Canada is diverse? That's news to me The cities are.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 4, 2012 18:16:26 GMT -5
There are cities up there? That's news to me
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Post by Phoenix84 on Sept 4, 2012 18:18:26 GMT -5
"I don't even understand it, hence why I'm asking for your insight."
I'm getting confused now, you're asking me how I understand that some people prefer diversity?
If that's your question, it's simple. People prefer different things, different strokes for different folks, all that.
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Post by midjd on Sept 4, 2012 18:21:16 GMT -5
I think Loop may have misread your post (I did, too) - that you were saying that you could understand why some people would find it preferable to live in a homogenized community. I now see that you were saying the opposite.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 4, 2012 18:22:15 GMT -5
And hockey players. Bear, elk, hockey players, igloos, and snow.
ETA - Oh, and pot smoking hippy socialists that believe in single payer healthcare.
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Post by Waffle on Sept 4, 2012 18:27:29 GMT -5
You all need to live where I do. I'm the minority here! We have Indian, Chinese, Korean, Hatian, Columbian, Porta Rican, New Yorkian... ;D My father was Puerto Rican - I do not these Porta Ricans of whom you speak. BTW - My mom is black - according to one of Zib's earlier posts, I shouldn't exist!
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 18:39:43 GMT -5
You all need to live where I do. I'm the minority here! We have Indian, Chinese, Korean, Hatian, Columbian, Porta Rican, New Yorkian... ;D My father was Puerto Rican - I do not these Porta Ricans of whom you speak. Waffle, LOL!! I had the "u" in there but the spell check kept showing that it was wrong but without the correct spelling so I tried the "o" because I figured people would figure out what I mean. I always forget there is an "e" in there. MM - Nice try! <<puts up "No Deliverys accepted here" sign>>
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 18:43:28 GMT -5
"That's what I hated about where we used to live. I don't think homogeny does my kids any favors." *shrugs* I don't think homogeny is necessarily bad or limits you as a person. Though I can understand why some find it preferable. I was working off this, did I misread? Apologies if I did.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 4, 2012 18:50:43 GMT -5
Just remember to do them in that order. If you mix them up cleaning the oven afterward is a bastard.
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 4, 2012 18:52:41 GMT -5
Dark, LMAO!!! You forgot "Don't ask me how I know this".
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Post by midjd on Sept 4, 2012 18:52:57 GMT -5
Loop, your quote is how I read it too, but I think he was confusing homogeny/heterogeneity otherwise his follow-up posts don't make sense. (Or maybe it's me... my reading comprehension is not the best today )
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2012 18:54:48 GMT -5
I think this sentiment is one of those, "What don't I know enough about to ask the right question?" type of things. For example...my parents divorced when I was 5 and I never saw my father again until I went to his funeral when I was 26. People used to ask me what it was like to grow up without a father. I told them I didn't see any difference. I didn't know enough to know the difference until I became a father myself and found out that a child didn't have to learn everything on his own my trial and error. Same with different people. As my nickname indicates I lived in Hong Kong for 4 years. I didn't know many Asians growing up and had a what I would call a typical American opinion of the "yellow race". My opinion totally changed in those 4 years.
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Post by Loopdilou on Sept 4, 2012 18:56:37 GMT -5
Loop, your quote is how I read it too, but I think he was confusing homogeny/heterogeneity otherwise his follow-up posts don't make sense. (Or maybe it's me... my reading comprehension is not the best today ) I was starting to question my own reading comprehension! Thanks, Mid.
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 18:58:10 GMT -5
Prior to meeting DH's ex-wife and her family, I had no idea that there were people living completely under the radar and out of the reach of the social safety net. This was a family in which all the kids were born at home, never got Social Security numbers, and never went to school. Only a couple of them (of 8 kids) can read. Of course, they're limited to McJobs and are essentially undocumented workers - even though they were born in the US, to citizen parents. Most of them now have kids and are repeating the sad cycle. WOW. I have a new "limitation". I didn't realize people did this. I wonder why? I bet most people are also unaware of those who choose to live homeless or "squat" for lack of better word. While my exposure is smaller than it could be I have learned a great deal from a former BF who chose to live homeless for 6 months just for the experience. Because of it no lack of financial resources will ever bother him the way it still bothers me.
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Post by Opti on Sept 4, 2012 19:01:02 GMT -5
I don't believe there are any limits but there are self-imposed limits. I think because of the nature of existence no one can know everything nor experience everything. (Or certainly not in one lifetime. )
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Post by quince on Sept 4, 2012 19:18:25 GMT -5
I have no experience with great wealth.
I have always known as a dry fact that there are people who are racist, sexist, assured of the moral superiority of members of their religion, homophobic...but I rarely interact with people like this, so it's always jarring when it happens. I've been very sheltered and feel very lucky.
I hope my future children are more aware early on of this mix of people- but I hope they don't get this exposure by having it ground into them daily. My husband is white and I'm asian, so I'm hoping to limit their experience of this by at least making an effort to live somewhere where when they attend school, they can't be identified as "the asian kid."
I've never liked the phrase "reverse racism." I tend to feel that treating someone differently based on ethnicity= bad, no matter who is doing it to who, so...racism. It's all racism. It's not a different, less bad class of activity.
While I understand that in the US, white people in general tend to net more "privilege" than others, if something is wrong to do, it is wrong to do to EVERYONE. Ditto for sexism. While I do understand why (and why in some cases it is necessary!) extra protections exist for certain classes, oftentimes minorities/advocates will shut down discussion, or objection to mistreatment, by citing "privilege" as though it's a justification for treating the privilege-haver badly.
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