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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 1, 2012 11:42:04 GMT -5
I'm usually a silver lining kinda person so here is my silver lining for this thread. When the OP's kid gets knocked up at 15, he can blame her 4th grade teacher. It will NOT be his kids fault
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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2012 12:12:48 GMT -5
Exactly... we serve real wine at communion... no grape juice for us! ETA: does that make us the frat house of Christianity? The Catholic Sacramental communion chalice is also filled with real wine... That becomes Jesus's blood.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 12:15:33 GMT -5
If it's so concerning to foodie he should have a quiet meeting with the school principal and ask about the hiring process and ethical criteria. The focus should also include making sure all teachers, male and female sign a statement to the effect that they've never had sex outside of marriage. Any married faculty of childbearing age with two or fewer children should be investigated and required to prove they are not using birth control.
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Post by goldensam on Sept 1, 2012 12:31:51 GMT -5
If it's so concerning to foodie he should have a quiet meeting with the school principal and ask about the hiring process and ethical criteria. The teacher may have been widowed, divorced, raped, or other things. Is there another teacher available at the same grade level? What business is it of his or ours how this child was conceived? Do people really feel they have the right to know if a child was conceived via rape?
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Post by Reckless Roselia on Sept 1, 2012 12:32:32 GMT -5
Well, when I was young and knew not much about sex, the class teachers would still talk about their children. I had one teacher telling me and the class that her daughter was made from toast. I didn't get it then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 12:35:05 GMT -5
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 1, 2012 13:18:00 GMT -5
...at the risk of sounding like a jerk, MM and mm... you two have posted profanity and an accusation of gossip on a thread about a private Christian school parent's concern... it's a legitimate question in his reality... :-\ ...I'm posting this as an apology to the thread for my above post... I asked about this and now see that I mistook the pg-13 standard for threads/discussions to apply to the profanity itself... CoC only prohibits "excessive" profanity... since that's subjective, I'll just hold my tongue in the future...
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 1, 2012 13:32:54 GMT -5
While true once they do they lose all public funds they receive for things like transportation. For an organization as large as the Catholic schools the numbers are in the millions a year. Does anyone really think they are going to give up millions to ask for the right to ask illegal questions during a job interview? Not to metnion it would make them look like total asshats in the process.
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Post by whoami on Sept 1, 2012 13:38:57 GMT -5
I'm usually a silver lining kinda person so here is my silver lining for this thread. When the OP's kid gets knocked up at 15, he can blame her 4th grade teacher. It will NOT be his kids fault Heh...I went to Catholic school. The first time I recall being exposed to pot was in my 7th grade classroom and the first teen pregnancy I was aware of was a classmate of mine in 8th grade. We all went to church though.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2012 14:20:42 GMT -5
The teacher in question should be drawn, hanged (almost to the point of death), decapitated, disembowelled, then her limbs tied to the rear fender of concerned parents' cars and quartered. Her head can be mounted atop the school name sign as a cautionary tale to young and old alike.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 1, 2012 14:24:20 GMT -5
Oh-and throw her spawn of sin child into the school furnace.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 15:23:34 GMT -5
If foodie doesn't feel he can respect and support the teacher then both his daughter and the teacher would be better off in different classrooms. He's paying for a product he feels he is not receiving. In that case he should speak to management or purchase a new product. Whether or not that is the Christian thing to do is between him and God.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Sept 1, 2012 15:43:59 GMT -5
If Catholics would stop trying to find perfect people and put them up on pedestals, and instead teach their kids that people are human and make mistakes, maybe it would be a little harder for their priests to take advantage of that trust by molesting children.
Teach your daughter to respect people in her life, like teachers, principles, clergy, etc. but to understand that they're still human and will make mistakes. It's a far healthier attitude to foster, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 15:47:47 GMT -5
Teach your daughter to respect people in her life, like teachers, principles, clergy, etc. but to understand that they're still human and will make mistakes. It's a far healthier attitude to foster, in my opinion. I agree with you. My point is if that foodie isn't capable of doing that then his daughter should not be in a classroom with that teacher. I don't give a shit if my kid's teacher is divorced, single, or has kids but foodie does and if it affects his attitude or behavior towards her then that's not fair to his kid or the teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 16:57:25 GMT -5
OP, remember from catechism class how we were cautioned against "giving scandal"?
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Post by kgb18 on Sept 1, 2012 19:09:06 GMT -5
Whew! What a topic.
On a general level, I understand foodie's point. If you're paying for a private school and you are not getting out of it what you want (whether it's quality of teacher, quality of curriculum, etc.), you should find another school. A private school is a whole different ball of wax, and the parents who send their kids there have different expectations.
That's where my agreement ends. FWIW, I'm Catholic. I go to church. But I'm a bad Catholic because I'm pretty liberal and practical in my thinking.
Those are good questions. Where do you draw the line? What other past behaviors aren't acceptable? Underage drinking? Smoking? Teenage shenanigans? The list could go on and on.
And what of the male teachers? It's dandy for them. They could have all kinds of sex. If a pregnancy resulted, they're not forced to either A) Get an abortion, which would be considered a huge sin; or B) Have the evidence next to them for their life.
It just seems like there's a lot of talk about forgiveness, but what does that really mean? It seems hollow to say, "I forgive her," and then cast her out. Just MHO.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 1, 2012 19:27:52 GMT -5
It just seems like there's a lot of talk about forgiveness, but what does that really mean? It seems hollow to say, "I forgive her," and then cast her out. Just MHO. ...this is an excellent point... more so, imo, with regards to the principal's glib response to the OP's inquiry... there is forgiveness and there is consequence... one does not negate the other... and in a scenario such as this, there is also SOP... it's a church and it's a place of business... ...I'm curious if the principal and trustees have already vetted and approved this teacher, and for this reason has hired her with a "we practice forgiveness" attitude... but then why not disclose this to the parents at back to school night? by introducing an unwed single mom to the faculty, they have (presumably) deviated from SOPs... parents would want fair warning... ...conversely, what if the principal and trustees themselves are conflicted about forgiveness? especially if the young teacher knowingly concealed this "contra-SOP" characteristic during the hiring process, only to announce it to the students without fair warning to the adults? ...I can't help but think of the trojan horse employment suits that have happened lately... could the faculty be wary of this? ...and I heartily agree with you, kgb... "whew! what a topic!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 19:47:35 GMT -5
Let's choose our words more carefully? I doubt if she "announced" it, which rather sounds like she had an agenda. I feel certain that she disclosed it when asked, sort of like she did her unmarried status when the parent asked her. Never mind that the asker was probably a fourth grader. She shouldn't be asked to lie about having a child.
I like Athena's suggestion that the guys be required to swear that they had never had pre-marital sex. When my son was in tenth grade, a girl got pregnant by a fellow tenth grader. The school (my ex was actually chairman of the board) wanted to kick her out. They had no grounds to kick the boy out because the bylaws said you couldn't attend if you were pregnant. Her parents basically said, "Do it, and we will sue you for every dime we can get. She is no more guilty of anything that should get her kicked out than he is." Duh. They changed the bylaws that said any students who were also "parents" could not attend the next year; these two were grandfathered in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 19:50:07 GMT -5
If Catholics would stop trying to find perfect people and put them up on pedestals, and instead teach their kids that people are human and make mistakes, maybe it would be a little harder for their priests to take advantage of that trust by molesting children. Wait. What? Don't be tarring all of us with the same brush, Dark. Because foodie thinks he's right doesn't mean that every Catholic subscribes to his rather harsh, rigid and narrow (IMO) beliefs. Or that the Church teaches them.
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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2012 19:51:40 GMT -5
I send my kids to catholic school and I have no illusions that the teachers there are may more moral or better role models than the public school teachers.
I also don't see the point of attempting to shield your kids from the fact that kids are born out of wedlock. Use this as a teachable moment.
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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2012 19:52:10 GMT -5
If Catholics would stop trying to find perfect people and put them up on pedestals, and instead teach their kids that people are human and make mistakes, maybe it would be a little harder for their priests to take advantage of that trust by molesting children. Wait. What? Don't be tarring all of us with the same brush, Dark. Because foodie thinks he's right doesn't mean that every Catholic subscribes to his rather harsh, rigid and narrow (IMO) beliefs. Or that the Church teaches them.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 1, 2012 19:54:51 GMT -5
Let's choose our words more carefully? I doubt if she "announced" it, which rather sounds like she had an agenda. I feel certain that she disclosed it when asked, sort of like she did her unmarried status when the parent asked her. Never mind that the asker was probably a fourth grader. She shouldn't be asked to lie about having a child. I like Athena's suggestion that the guys be required to swear that they had never had pre-marital sex. When my son was in tenth grade, a girl got pregnant by a fellow tenth grader. The school (my ex was actually chairman of the board) wanted to kick her out. They had no grounds to kick the boy out because the bylaws said you couldn't attend if you were pregnant. Her parents basically said, "Do it, and we will sue you for every dime we can get. She is no more guilty of anything that should get her kicked out than he is." Duh. They changed the bylaws that said any students who were also "parents" could not attend the next year; these two were grandfathered in. ...true... I used "announce" by following the lead of the OP's story... but we don't know the nature of the announcement made... she informed the class one way or the other... that doesn't change the fact that, as the OP mentioned earlier, she can't un-ring this bell... ...your earlier post, imo, was spot on... that no matter what led up to this moment, the parents have a critical choice to face... do they facilitate their kids being able to engage and bond with this teacher? or do the kids face disapproval from their parents who disallow it? there will be long-lasting affects either way... edited typo
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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2012 19:56:55 GMT -5
For all we know, she had a picture of the child on her desk and a student asked who the kid was. So, either she lies about it, or she can't have a picture of her child with her in school.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 20:12:30 GMT -5
On a lighter note, my daughter has decided to send her kids to a private Christian school. My daughter is truly the best Christian I know. And her kids were almost not accepted. The Christian school wasn't convinced that being Catholic is being Christian. My daughter was raised a Presbyterian, but she became attracted to the Catholic church while she was a college student because she likes ritual, etc. Her husband, however, didn't want to be Catholic. So she attends Saturday night mass, goes to Sunday School at the local Baptist church (it's a small town, and they have more couples their age), and then goes to the Presbyterian church for services because that's where her family on my ex's side goes. Can you get any more ecumenical?
I honestly wanted to say, "Sweet pea, do you really want your kids to attend a school where they are doubtful that you are a Christian?" But I kept my mouth shut because she was so thrilled they got in. (Big sigh!)
So Christian schools and their memberships aren't always perhaps the Christians that we imagine when we hear the word.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 21:38:26 GMT -5
My problem with a lot of religion-based private schools is that the underlying theme that they are teaching is intolerance. I think it will end up backfiring because society really is now a melting pot and I really want my kids to be exposed to a lot of different cultures/beliefs/what have you so I can reinforce our personal belief system in a real life context. I also want them to question and analyze our beliefs and come to their own conclusions. I don't want to raise robots... I want to raise individuals with their own minds. This reminds me of when I was a teenager, I had many interesting conversations about religion with a coworker that was a Jehovah's Witness. I mentioned it to my Mom, and she was appalled (don't mean to offend, but she was) and wanted me to stop. What my Mom didn't understand was that talking to my coworker wasn't swaying me to believe what she did, it just made me think more about what I believed. I admired that she could back up what she believed by showing me in the Bible where it came from, no matter what it was. I still didn't agree with her on a lot of things, but those conversations made me want to be as sure of what I believed as she was and able to explain it and back it up like she did. My coworker was teaching me (unknowingly), but the lesson for me was not that I wanted to become a Jehovah's Witness. I was kind of disappointed that in that particular instance, my Mom didn't seem to have much confidence in me. Apologies for going off topic........
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Post by kgb18 on Sept 1, 2012 21:45:33 GMT -5
I feel like if you have to shield your child from every other religion, you must not have very much confidence in them or your own religion.
I love learning about other religions, and we're making a point to teach our kids about other cultures and religions. We're Catholic, but DD learned some about Hanukkah last Christmas, and she has a dreidel. We were in Target in December and she randomly started calling out to people, "Happy Hanukkah! Happy Kwanza! Merry Christmas!"
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Post by kgb18 on Sept 1, 2012 21:56:24 GMT -5
I gave that tolerance lesson to my 7-year-old nephew at Christmas. My brother quit going to church a long time ago. DN knows next to nothing about God or religion. On Christmas Eve quite a few of us were getting ready for church. He asked where we were going, and when I told him he said it was stupid.
I told him he didn't have to come to church, but that not everyone thinks it's stupid and he should be polite to those of us who did think it was important because everyone believes different things.
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Post by Opti on Sept 1, 2012 21:57:17 GMT -5
If foodie doesn't feel he can respect and support the teacher then both his daughter and the teacher would be better off in different classrooms. He's paying for a product he feels he is not receiving. In that case he should speak to management or purchase a new product. Whether or not that is the Christian thing to do is between him and God. Anne I agree with you except that last sentence. If you follow and read the bible its very clear his attitude is not Christian at all. I remember growing up getting lessons about the Pharisees in Sunday school and in sermons. The Pharisees were concerned about appearances - praying loudly in church, etc. whereas Jesus was concerned about what God was concerned about which was forgiveness and compassion not appearing to be religious and follow God but actually follow God whether someone noticed or not. It is possible I am totally wrong about the bible and the intention was to follow the laws of the old testament and worry about the speck in your brother's eye more than the log in your own. Like you said I guess the OP may have a chance to have that discussion with God.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on Sept 1, 2012 23:19:27 GMT -5
If foodie doesn't feel he can respect and support the teacher then both his daughter and the teacher would be better off in different classrooms. He's paying for a product he feels he is not receiving. In that case he should speak to management or purchase a new product. Whether or not that is the Christian thing to do is between him and God. Anne I agree with you except that last sentence. If you follow and read the bible its very clear his attitude is not Christian at all. I remember growing up getting lessons about the Pharisees in Sunday school and in sermons. The Pharisees were concerned about appearances - praying loudly in church, etc. whereas Jesus was concerned about what God was concerned about which was forgiveness and compassion not appearing to be religious and follow God but actually follow God whether someone noticed or not. It is possible I am totally wrong about the bible and the intention was to follow the laws of the old testament and worry about the speck in your brother's eye more than the log in your own. Like you said I guess the OP may have a chance to have that discussion with God. ...I think I understand where you're coming from here... and I want to point out that there are also a number of texts that describe the higher standards required of church leadership... Christian school teachers would/should be included... ...even in the secular world we see that leaders will always be held to a higher standard than followers... ...and foodiedad, I hope you'll give us an update at some point...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 23:19:38 GMT -5
BTW, just wondering if there are any divorced, male teachers there? Would the OP have an issue with that or having a teacher who had previously been divorced?
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