Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 14:47:46 GMT -5
Not only that, but I was accused by a mod of deliberately misquoting WWBG. Difficult to defend oneself if the mods can then perform their own cleanup. Yet another reason mods should not engage in confrontational conversations.
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Taxman10
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 14:48:16 GMT -5
Not only that, but I was accused by a mod of deliberately misquoting WWBG. Difficult to defend oneself if the mods can then perform their own cleanup. I got your back <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 7, 2012 14:49:07 GMT -5
Conversely, a reader who is aware they are unable to hear inflections, tone, etc., might want to attempt to keep themselves from jumping to conclusions and actually ask what the poster meant. I say this because I was often misunderstood because I failed to post the indicating I was joking. Just ask. In this instance, I was reading it about an hour after it posted, it was truly something that came across very snarky. I wasn't going to say anything except the poster brought it up and i was just pointing out how it was not obvious what was going on. I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. This was just one of those situations that from my perspective came across very snarky and by a moderator when we are having a discussion about moderators, I thought it should be pointed out that it could be easily misinterpretted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:49:12 GMT -5
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Loopdilou
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 14:50:14 GMT -5
Tax - I'm sorry, but I find your "tagline" to be highly offensive and would genuinely appreciate it if you removed it.
Joking about sex with underage girls is NEVER acceptable.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 14:50:32 GMT -5
It has never come up before, because a mod wasn't abusing power before. Unfortunately, because you guys are all in "mod-mode" you can't see how this is a problem. I've acknowledged your concerns, thyme. We need to take a look at this, as I said. I believe that would qualify as seeing a problem.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 14:51:01 GMT -5
This thread should have an FAQ, or a table of contents or something.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 7, 2012 14:51:34 GMT -5
I understood completely what you are saying and I do try to be careful now. I was just pointing out the other side as I have been in the "misunderstood" camp before.
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:52:13 GMT -5
When I started a new thread to discuss how this was handled (If You Don't Like a Topic, Here's What You Do), here's what Virgil wrote:
"The man deleted his comment, explained what he meant, issued a sincere apology, expressed his regret. Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said.
You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. You've utterly humiliated him. It seems that nobody here is the slightest bit interested in what his actual thoughts are."
So I'm officially expressing my interest in what WWBG's actual thoughts are. BTW, anybody else see the irony in being lectured by a mod about not being interested when the reason we couldn't ask about the actual thoughts is because the thread was removed and we were castigated for asking about it?
I would also like to note that when I called him on it, Virgil did go back and admit his statement about me calling WWBG names was wrong and that I was respectful in the discussion. Well, what else about this statement is wrong? We don't know because someone cut out WWBG's post.
Again, as Virgil wanted, we are expressing our interest in what WWBG's actual thoughts are.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 14:52:59 GMT -5
Tax - I'm sorry, but I find your "tagline" to be highly offensive and would genuinely appreciate it if you removed it. Joking about sex with underage girls is NEVER acceptable. I find it offensive that you find my tagline offensive. Without my tagline it may appear that I do approve of "behaviors" with underage a girls...and I do not. <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 14:53:06 GMT -5
Tax - I think your tagline is highly unoffensive and am getting a smile out of the absurdity of it every time I see it in this thread.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:53:42 GMT -5
Can I ask what he feels terrible about?
Does he feel terrible because he kept repeating his opinion to deliberitely get other posters riled up? Or does he feel terrible, because he used his special mod super powers to modify the discussion in real time, without getting someone else involved - which would have taken time?
Or is it some other reason he feels terrible?
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 7, 2012 14:54:26 GMT -5
I understood completely what you are saying and I do try to be careful now. I was just pointing out the other side as I have been in the "misunderstood" camp before. Yeah, I tend to stay out of debates because 1. I get too involved and 2, I don't feel like i express myself articulately enough.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 14:54:37 GMT -5
It has never come up before, because a mod wasn't abusing power before. Unfortunately, because you guys are all in "mod-mode" you can't see how this is a problem. Thyme she indicated that we should probably take a look at it going forward, and I'm sure we will. If a poster deleted a post of theirs, and asked me to delete where it was quoted elsewhere I would probably comply. I might think twice or ask a second opinion after this imbroglio, but in the past I would have seen no reason not to. I'd have done the same on request, deminmaine, prior to this and depending on the circumstances. If a poster didn't want their words "out there", I think they've got the right to ask they be removed. Now, however, I'd sure get additional opinions before doing so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:54:58 GMT -5
bad sushi, I presume.
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 14:55:51 GMT -5
Looks like someone got a lesson in "be careful what you ask for or you might get it"
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 14:56:04 GMT -5
Oh good.. another person to add to my "waste of oxygen" list...
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:56:43 GMT -5
I'm considering asking the mods to delete everything I've ever said, and every time anyone has ever quoted me. There is nothing on this whole website that can improve my IRL image.
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Post by swasat on Aug 7, 2012 14:57:16 GMT -5
Can I ask what he feels terrible about? Does he feel terrible because he kept repeating his opinion to deliberitely get other posters riled up? Or does he feel terrible, because he used his special mod super powers to modify the discussion in real time, without getting someone else involved - which would have taken time? Or is it some other reason he feels terrible? Why do you want to know thyme? How is it going to help? Maybe he feels terrible about all three. If, lets say, he feels terrible about only two of his actions, then what will the demands be? I have already heard: 1. Forced time out 2. Removal form mod position 3. Ban What else does everyone want? His head? Look, I am no way supporting him in what he did. But I do believe that yesterday was an anomaly for him. He apologized too. Move on and let move on.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 14:58:09 GMT -5
As entertaining as this thread is, could we wrap it up folks? What are we asking for here? What's the end game? Do you guys want WWBG to come back, admit that he fucked up, and apologize? Do you want him stripped of his mod powers? What's the ask here?
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Post by Colleenz on Aug 7, 2012 14:58:22 GMT -5
I promote relations with underage kittens
- Colleenz YM crazy cat lady
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:59:03 GMT -5
As entertaining as this thread is, could we wrap it up folks? What are we asking for here? What's the end game? Do you guys want WWBG to come back, admit that he fucked up, and apologize? Do you want him stripped of his mod powers? What's the ask here? A fight to the pain between all of the mods.
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Post by swamp on Aug 7, 2012 14:59:18 GMT -5
As entertaining as this thread is, could we wrap it up folks? What are we asking for here? What's the end game? Do you guys want WWBG to come back, admit that he fucked up, and apologize? Do you want him stripped of his mod powers? What's the ask here? Removal as a mod. He already apologized.
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:59:25 GMT -5
I just want the record to be complete so people can decide for themself what action, if any, is warranted.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:59:45 GMT -5
Is it our right to re-write history?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Aug 7, 2012 15:00:09 GMT -5
On pay per view so this place can start making some money!
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 15:00:24 GMT -5
When I started a new thread to discuss how this was handled (If You Don't Like a Topic, Here's What You Do), here's what Virgil wrote: "The man deleted his comment, explained what he meant, issued a sincere apology, expressed his regret. Half the posters here don't even have an accurate memory of what he said. You've all called him a liar, a chauvinist, a misogynist, a friend to rapists. You've utterly humiliated him. It seems that nobody here is the slightest bit interested in what his actual thoughts are." So I'm officially expressing my interest in what WWBG's actual thoughts are. BTW, anybody else see the irony in being lectured by a mod about not being interested when the reason we couldn't ask about the actual thoughts is because the thread was removed and we were castigated for asking about it? I would also like to note that when I called him on it, Virgil did go back and admit his statement about me calling WWBG names was wrong and that I was respectful in the discussion. Well, what else about this statement is wrong? We don't know because someone cut out WWBG's post. Again, as Virgil wanted, we are expressing our interest in what WWBG's actual thoughts are. I guess, milee, the only answer to that is: We don't have any way of knowing what WWBG's actual thoughts are. We can't get into his head, after all. I postulated what might have happened (poor communication of thought). I, however, have absolutely no sure way of knowing that is what happened. It's something I know I've done, and something I've seen pretty close to everyone here do, at one time or another. Some were open to that possibility and some were not. Yet, no matter what we do, or how much we beat this subject, we're never going to know absolutely. When it comes to other peoples' thoughts, and actions in which we weren't directly involved, there's no way we can know.
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Post by swasat on Aug 7, 2012 15:00:54 GMT -5
Well, I have serious objections to his removal as a mod. As I said before, I condemn his actions yesterday. But I also believe yesterday was an anomaly for him.
So no, he SHOULD NOT be removed as a mod.
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Post by CarolinaKat on Aug 7, 2012 15:01:13 GMT -5
I don't WWBG to leave entirely. I would like Mods to recuse themselves from moderating in heated discussions that they are participating in. It basically would've prevented this entire mess IMO.
ETA: I am undecided on WWBG as a moderator because I didn't see most of the blow-up. I will say he has been a good and consistent moderator up until the issues of yesterday
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Post by Driftr on Aug 7, 2012 15:01:18 GMT -5
An apology from loopdilou to Swamp for saying she's a 'waste of oxygen'.
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