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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 7, 2012 14:05:02 GMT -5
"that is hilarious" Aww, thanks Thyme! it makes me happy that you appreciate our humor
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:05:11 GMT -5
LOL - at least 32 of the descriptions on that list apply to me.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:06:04 GMT -5
Miss T - LOL!
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 14:07:02 GMT -5
mmhmm, Since there's been a lot of different debate regarding different posts and threads, and you are responding in a reasonable, rational way - which we all greatly appreciate - I'd like to clarify my last request. In the Teacher/Student thread, WWBG went back and deleted his post #323. That deletion happened after another poster and I quoted it in subsequent posts. If WWBG had not been a mod, he certainly could have deleted his own post, but he could not have gone into my and the other post to delete the quote out of those posts as well. In other words, he would have had to live with, defend or apologize for his words just like everybody else. By changing our posts to remove his words, he abused the powers given to a mod and he did so to cover up his own mistakes. I think we all make mistakes and would be willing to listen to the persuasive message that Virgil was so moved by. I am not asking for any condemnation or resolution other than correcting the error. Please find the deleted post in the archives you refer to and replace it in the quote box in both post #326 and #327. Those were not WWBG's posts to edit and the edit was not done for CoC purposes. That will restore things to right and remove the last issue with a mod misusing his mod ability.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:07:38 GMT -5
So, is WWBG on a forced posting vacation, or a self-imputed time out? Why is he not here? Was there actual punishment of him and his actions?
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Post by Loopdilou on Aug 7, 2012 14:08:56 GMT -5
mmhmm, Please find the deleted post in the archives you refer to and replace it in the quote box in both post #326 and #327. Those were not WWBG's posts to edit and the edit was not done for CoC purposes. That will restore things to right and remove the last issue with a mod misusing his mod ability. That and get Moon to remove his admin powers. Abuse of power should never be tolerated regardless of past good conduct.
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 14:08:57 GMT -5
So, is WWBG on a forced posting vacation, or a self-imputed time out? Why is he not here? Was there actual punishment of him and his actions? I think he's mourning the great pain he caused to the community that he loves.... <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:10:21 GMT -5
mmhmm, Please find the deleted post in the archives you refer to and replace it in the quote box in both post #326 and #327. Those were not WWBG's posts to edit and the edit was not done for CoC purposes. That will restore things to right and remove the last issue with a mod misusing his mod ability. That and get Moon to remove his admin powers. Abuse of power should never be tolerated regardless of past good conduct.
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thyme4change
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:11:27 GMT -5
Maybe he and MU were the same poster. After all, I never saw them in the same place at the same time - just like Michael Jackson and Farrah Faucet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:12:14 GMT -5
Now there's a conspiracy that could get some legs! ;D
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Post by CarolinaKat on Aug 7, 2012 14:12:54 GMT -5
Okay seriously I have no idea what happened after my boss's report crashed my computer an I went to lunch but here's what I think/points I agree with:
1) If a mod is heavily involved in a thread/debate he/she SHOULD NOT use moderating powers on that thread debate and should ask another mod to step in and moderate
2)Threads be locked instead of moved if at all possible because posters do put a lot of effort into them even though I do realize this is not always possible/practical
3) If a thread needs to be moved/taken away, a brief explanation for the community would be appreciated so we don't feel left in the dark and can prevent a reoccurance
4) Additional mods are probably a good idea
I'm really sorry if I'm re-stating things, I'm skimming and trying to catch-up
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Post by swasat on Aug 7, 2012 14:13:08 GMT -5
So, is WWBG on a forced posting vacation, or a self-imputed time out? Why is he not here? Was there actual punishment of him and his actions? I am pretty sure he is on a self-imputed time out. IMO rightly so. The posters here and him, both need time off from each other.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:14:04 GMT -5
Moo!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 7, 2012 14:14:43 GMT -5
Yes - but then he modified other people's posts - something other posters can not do.
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Post by Opti on Aug 7, 2012 14:14:55 GMT -5
Milee, I think how you quote someone's post matters. I think once I really didn't like how I wrote something and I wasn't happy people were already quoting it. I think I did decide to delete the entire post.
Those who quoted the post in its entirety, i.e. used the quote function now had their post reflect "Post deleted by Optimist" in their quote box automatically because of how the board is programmed. Those who copied part of my post and placed it in quote boxes were unaffected.
HTH
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Aug 7, 2012 14:15:17 GMT -5
Why not just put the above in your sig line, Tax? Then you won't have to keep repeating it.
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:15:59 GMT -5
mmhmm, Since there's been a lot of different debate regarding different posts and threads, and you are responding in a reasonable, rational way - which we all greatly appreciate - I'd like to clarify my last request. In the Teacher/Student thread, WWBG went back and deleted his post #323. That deletion happened after another poster and I quoted it in subsequent posts. If WWBG had not been a mod, he certainly could have deleted his own post, but he could not have gone into my and the other post to delete the quote out of those posts as well. In other words, he would have had to live with, defend or apologize for his words just like everybody else. By changing our posts to remove his words, he abused the powers given to a mod and he did so to cover up his own mistakes. I think we all make mistakes and would be willing to listen to the persuasive message that Virgil was so moved by. I am not asking for any condemnation or resolution other than correcting the error. Please find the deleted post in the archives you refer to and replace it in the quote box in both post #326 and #327. Those were not WWBG's posts to edit and the edit was not done for CoC purposes. That will restore things to right and remove the last issue with a mod misusing his mod ability. In this case I'm not sure that is possible. WWBG modified his post- something any poster can do, BTW. When the post was modified the deleted content was simply deleted. As far as I know, it is gone. I thought mmhmm stated that the policy was to store mod deleted posts in another location so that they could be reviewed if necessary? WWBG had to go into my post and cut/delete printed words that were in there. Shouldn't that be stored in the "deleted" file?
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 14:17:59 GMT -5
Muscles was charming in his own way, but he couldn't respect boundaries. He made brazen sexist remarks (most posters don't know the half of what he said), persistently railroaded threads into adult topics, spuriously reported posts, ignored repeated mod directives. He used sexual language in totally inappropriate contexts, often directed at posters who'd demanded that he stop. Bans of varying duration had no effect whatsoever on his behaviour. Anybody who says Moon was biased against him... sweet mother of moo-cows, did you bet on the wrong horse. And for those who don't recall, the last time he left (in 2011, during a self-imposed exile), he requested that his account and all his posts be deleted on that occasion as well. So be mad with me. I'm aware that you hold my views on the Teacher/Student topic in contempt. Many mods have said that milee is an equanamible and thoughtful poster, yet she's offended when I post "Meow" as a page bump. Hence I'm going to assume that she too holds my views in contempt. If anyone here wants to send me a PM expressing their contempt for my views (vis a vis the Teacher/Student thread) or their contempt for me personally, I will keep the message in confidence and take no action. I see no problem with that. I will suggest it to WWBG, as he is the only one who can authorize publication of his private comments. I've already bent the rules by excerpting part of one statement.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 14:18:44 GMT -5
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:18:52 GMT -5
Milee, I think how you quote someone's post matters. I think once I really didn't like how I wrote something and I wasn't happy people were already quoting it. I think I did decide to delete the entire post. Those who quoted the post in its entirety, i.e. used the quote function now had their post reflect "Post deleted by Optimist" in their quote box automatically because of how the board is programmed. Those who copied part of my post and placed it in quote boxes were unaffected. HTH Interesting theory, but in this case, it appears to have been done manually. The quote box shows "references deleted post", which is not language that reflects it was deleted by the original writer. If one were suspicious, one might even guess that this particular language "references deleted post" was used to imply that the original post was removed because it violated the CoC, not because someone realized he'd just eaten his toes.
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Virgil Showlion
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 14:18:58 GMT -5
and again *sigh*
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Post by Taxman10 on Aug 7, 2012 14:19:07 GMT -5
Why not just put the above in your sig line, Tax? Then you won't have to keep repeating it. Well...i thought about it. But it seemed like a lot of hard work to click on different buttons and all...so I didn't. It's more of like a "today thing" anyway. I just paste it... <<this post in no way suggests that I promote relations with underage girls>>
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Aug 7, 2012 14:19:09 GMT -5
third time's the charm?
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:19:19 GMT -5
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Post by milee on Aug 7, 2012 14:22:09 GMT -5
"she's offended when I post "Meow" as a page bump. Hence I'm going to assume that she too holds my views in contempt."
I don't hold your views in contempt, I hold your treatment of posters in contempt. Being a moderator gives you power and control on the Board. You are using that power and control to belittle people and make light of their reasonable discussion - that's what I hold in contempt.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 14:23:11 GMT -5
Let's make a delineation here. If I delete someone else's post, I'll copy and paste that post to my deletes. If I make a post as a moderator, I won't delete it, at all. If, however, a moderator is posting as a poster (posts are not signed), they're as entitled as anyone else to delete their posts. I'm sure you don't copy the posts you decide to delete. I don't copy the posts I decide to delete if they've been posted in my position as poster, not moderator. I don't know whether that was the case here but, as deminmaine pointed out, if it was WWBG may not have kept copies of his own words, posted as a poster, not a moderator.
I realize it's a sticky wicket in this case, because of all the consternation aroused by this particular thread, and the fact the thread was removed, then replaced.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2012 14:23:14 GMT -5
WWBG is free to have horrific views on a number of topics, that is the best part about the USA! What I cannot abide is him abusing his power -- and changing not only his posts but other people's WAS an abuse of his power. THAT the reason he should not be a MOD anymore.
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Post by Opti on Aug 7, 2012 14:25:00 GMT -5
Milee, I think how you quote someone's post matters. I think once I really didn't like how I wrote something and I wasn't happy people were already quoting it. I think I did decide to delete the entire post. Those who quoted the post in its entirety, i.e. used the quote function now had their post reflect "Post deleted by Optimist" in their quote box automatically because of how the board is programmed. Those who copied part of my post and placed it in quote boxes were unaffected. HTH Interesting theory, but in this case, it appears to have been done manually. The quote box shows "references deleted post", which is not language that reflects it was deleted by the original writer. If one were suspicious, one might even guess that this particular language "references deleted post" was used to imply that the original post was removed because it violated the CoC, not because someone realized he'd just eaten his toes. A mod can weigh in on this but I think the only difference is if a mod deleted the post versus the poster. Not sure what happens if you are a mod and delete your own post. So I think in usual events if a mod deleted the post perhaps the entire entry is gone? Then the software kicks out the references deleted post because that post entry tag is now invalid? Don't know. I guess a mod would have the ability to delete the post like us regular folk or totally remove the post entry entirely. I agree the latter is probably bad style unless done by another mod?
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 7, 2012 14:25:57 GMT -5
So, is WWBG on a forced posting vacation, or a self-imputed time out? Why is he not here? Was there actual punishment of him and his actions? What punishment would be sufficient for a bad remark? Should this be translated for any remark that is found to be offensive? Just because you dislike the opinion of a poster (whether Moderator or Poster) does not mean that it is a "punishable" offense. You (both specifically and the general sense) have zero right nor need to know if, when or what punishments are handed out. If a poster is permaband some Mod's will tell posters in general any other falls in the none of your business category. cme1201 - Moderator P&M
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 7, 2012 14:26:20 GMT -5
I thought I remembered that being the case, Virgil. Thanks for confirming the validity of my aging memory.
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