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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 12:45:37 GMT -5
I think some landlords refuse to take Section 8 Tina and its within their rights to do so. There's red tape involved and a chance you'll be opening your rental up to gangbangers.
You can judge me all you want but in this area I run far, far away from places advertising they accept Section 8. I want nothing to do with that. There are some really bad places in Baltimore. One third of the city's population gets food stamps.
Awhile ago I saw a story on two kids raised in public housing. They were a few years younger than me and raised before the city's lead paint laws went into effect. Both of them are now mentally impaired from eating paint chips. The boy reads at a third grade level and has had several kids. The girl was a little better but again another kid, the next generation on welfare.
The story made me so sad. The girl could maybe have a shot if she busted her ass and had tutoring but the guy's got no chance. They don't get a chance to overcome circumstances and make something of themselves. Made me feel very fortunate to be born to the parents I have.
Yes, mom should have supervised, found better housing and on and on but she didn't and two innocent children paid for her actions.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 12:57:01 GMT -5
"I think some landlords refuse to take Section 8 Tina and its within their rights to do so. There's red tape involved and a chance you'll be opening your rental up to gangbangers. "
I'm a landlord and I do not except Section 8....part of it is principal (I would be a huge hypocrite to accept Section 8 and then bitch about it) but I also do want to be in a situation where I have to turn away people that "look" like gangbangers...granted, I no longer manage my own properties but when I did I wasn't dealign with section 8 or the people it brought it. But I do know lots of landlords that accept it in nicer towns in our area.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 12:58:48 GMT -5
My daughter showed me some girl's FB post where she had a picture of her son who looked like he was maybe 5. She said that was their last night together, he was going to foster care. Someone asked why. She said it was too hard to keep a man being a single Mom. My mind was blown. Obviously her priorities are royally screwed up and her son deserves better, but REALLY?!
When my ex and I split, I briefly considered asking him to take the kids. I lived in the 'hood, he lived in a better neighborhood, he had a job, I didn't. I was very worried about how I was going to take care of them and being a single woman with kids in the 'hood was scary. I think I thought about asking him for 2 minutes. I knew I would do whatever it took to take care of my kids. In less than a month I was working, a couple years later I got another job and worked both of them for a while, then I quit the first one. Then I got them out of the hood. I never looked back.
I can't imagine walking away from my children because they cramped my lifestyle. If I got sick, I had to get better if at all possible, because I had kids to take care of. Severe illness with no hope of recovery would have been the only reason I would've seriously considered giving my children up. Doing it because I didn't want to change me or my life wasn't happening.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 12:59:30 GMT -5
"Awhile ago I saw a story on two kids raised in public housing. They were a few years younger than me and raised before the city's lead paint laws went into effect. Both of them are now mentally impaired from eating paint chips."
But that could have happened child...all houses built before 1978 (when lead based paint was outlawed) have the potential for this to happen. It isn't limited to the poor. We inherited my MIL's house which was built probably 70 or 80 years ago...we had to include a disclosure re: lead based paint hazards because in all likelyhood, there is some in the house.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:02:19 GMT -5
"I can't imagine walking away from my children because they cramped my lifestyle. If I got sick, I had to get better if at all possible, because I had kids to take care of. Severe illness with no hope of recovery would have been the only reason I would've seriously considered giving my children up. Doing it because I didn't want to change me or my life wasn't happening"
Pink, that is what I was trying to say...I'm sure there ARE reasons where a mother would have to give up her children even when she didn't want to. I have a husband so if I got terminal cancer he would obviously be there for the children. But if I were alone wtih no family support and I became terminal, the children would eventually have to go elsewhere (once I could no longer take care of them)....but it's the giving up the baby because I no longer wnat them that I will never undertand...giving up a baby because they are too much money (in this country) is something I will never understand.
I also know that someone that truly doesn't want children shouldn't have them....but I think they suck as human beings.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:12:56 GMT -5
"Awhile ago I saw a story on two kids raised in public housing. They were a few years younger than me and raised before the city's lead paint laws went into effect. Both of them are now mentally impaired from eating paint chips." But that could have happened child...all houses built before 1978 (when lead based paint was outlawed) have the potential for this to happen. It isn't limited to the poor. We inherited my MIL's house which was built probably 70 or 80 years ago...we had to include a disclosure re: lead based paint hazards because in all likelyhood, there is some in the house. My apartment's that old as well. The paint's not peeling though. It could happen anywhere but generally I think people with more money are going to better maintain their home. As long as you aren't ingesting paint chips then you'll be ok. Paint was obviously peeling though in the government housing. I'd blame the parents though for not supervising the kids bc I imagine you'd have to ingest a fair amount of paint chips to get lead poisoning. I think every town is different. I don't know of any places in nice areas taking Section 8.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:17:36 GMT -5
"I think every town is different. I don't know of any places in nice areas taking Section 8."
I meant "nicer" towns then the bullet ridden government housing...I avoid any area that has rentals, let alone takes section 8 tenants...that's right, I'm a snob!lol
But there are some nicer blue collar areas in my county that poor people can live and be safe...then there are the areas that I won't even drive through at night, let alone think of raising a family in them.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:18:02 GMT -5
Crap..I meant "than" and I can't edit...so all of you grammar nazis can kiss my ass
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:28:01 GMT -5
I don't know of any where I'd feel safe with a family that takes Section 8. Again area dependant, in my hometown yeah they do. Here not so much.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:30:18 GMT -5
"I don't know of any where I'd feel safe with a family that takes Section 8. Again area dependant, in my hometown yeah they do. Here not so much."
But you have already said that you live in a bad area and dont' feel safe in lots of areas there...if there is nothing safe there for a family, then they move...I wouldn't raise my children where it isn't safe, especially when there are lots of areas that ARE safe.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:34:49 GMT -5
I would agree that moving out of the city would be the best choice for many. I mean do you really want to live somewhere that has a third of the population getting food stamps? Obviously some choose to stay for whatever reason and every year some of those kids get killed by stray bullets.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:37:23 GMT -5
"Obviously some choose to stay for whatever reason and every year some of those kids get killed by stray bullets. "
And that is so sad...and the kids that aren't killed have a very good chance of continuing the same lifestyle that put their parents in the ghetto
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:37:30 GMT -5
I feel bad for those kids. If there parents can't get them to a safer place maybe giving them up is the better idea. Some parents don't care to struggle and move out of the ghetto. I'm not saying every poor parent should do that. However, if you have no ambition to better life for your family and live where being in the yard could get you killed, maybe moving away from the parents isn't the worst thing that could happen.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:38:47 GMT -5
"I feel bad for those kids. If there parents can't get them to a safer place maybe giving them up is the better idea. Some parents don't care to struggle and move out of the ghetto"
let's be honest, the parent that doesnt' care enough about their kids to move them from the ghetto isn't the parent that is goign to care enough about them to send them to a better area to live...that would cut their welfare, food stamps and hell...probably government housing subsidies.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:40:11 GMT -5
"Obviously some choose to stay for whatever reason and every year some of those kids get killed by stray bullets. " And that is so sad...and the kids that aren't killed have a very good chance of continuing the same lifestyle that put their parents in the ghetto Most of them will repeat the cycle. It is sad bc in another situation they might grow up and be a productive adult. If all you know is welfare and the ghetto, I imagine it could be difficult to break away. My brother and I were talking and said if some of those kids made it to college, they should really go out of state and never look back. Too easy to be pulled back in if you are going to UM or Towson State.
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Jul 27, 2012 13:40:51 GMT -5
Section 8 is relatively new as social welfare programs go, and you can't force a landlord to accept it. Over time, in a lot of areas (although certainly not all) the only landlords who take Section 8 are all concentrated in bad neighborhoods, and you'll probably be raising your kids around the same crap you used to see in the projects that we're trying to abolish with Section 8 vouchers.
Oh, and the waiting list to get on Section 8 is a couple years long in some states. Guess where you're going to be stuck raising your kids while you wait for a spot to open? Unless they can go stay with grandma or something, but we've already established that only horrible people rip their children away from the only mother they've known. So, to the ghetto it is.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:41:35 GMT -5
"I feel bad for those kids. If there parents can't get them to a safer place maybe giving them up is the better idea. Some parents don't care to struggle and move out of the ghetto" let's be honest, the parent that doesnt' care enough about their kids to move them from the ghetto isn't the parent that is goign to care enough about them to send them to a better area to live...that would cut their welfare, food stamps and hell...probably government housing subsidies. This is true. It just makes me sad for those kids.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:42:34 GMT -5
"Section 8 is relatively new as social welfare programs go, and you can't force a landlord to accept it. Over time, in a lot of areas (although certainly not all) the only landlords who take Section 8 are all concentrated in bad neighborhoods, and you'll probably be raising your kids around the same crap you used to see in the projects that we're trying to abolish with Section 8 vouchers"
Here is a serious question and one that I have been thinking about....maybe I will start a new thread becuase it is WAY OT from this subject...but I am not sure I am not only one that has the same questions....
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 27, 2012 13:50:56 GMT -5
I would agree that moving out of the city would be the best choice for many. I mean do you really want to live somewhere that has a third of the population getting food stamps? Obviously some choose to stay for whatever reason and every year some of those kids get killed by stray bullets. If Balt and AC are alike transportation is the key. People get used to living in a city with good public transportation so they don't have a car or even a DL in some cases. Moving to the burbs normally requires both a car and enough money for a deposit on a rental. I have known people who scraped up to save for the car only to realize that they couldnt afford both the car and the deposit because they forgot about everything that goes into owning a car like mandatory insurance. I am not saying that they shouldn't just do it anyway. It is hard to understanding how overwhelming it can be from my fairly cushy life, not reallly but in comparison ;D. In NJ section8 has a 7 year waiting list. I think they closed the waiting list though so I have no idea how long it would actually take to get in that program.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 13:52:17 GMT -5
I just realized I can't post new threads...the blockers at work prevent it so I will have to start it later....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 13:53:38 GMT -5
I get what you're saying Miss Tequila. I can't imagine getting to know my child and bonding with him/her then abandoning them. There were times I thought I was a crappy parent for one reason or another but I wasn't giving up. I would've fought anything or anybody, including me, for my kids' well-being.
Maybe I felt so strongly about my kids being with me regardless of what I had to do, because I had a parent abandon me and I know how it made me feel. But I guess a parent that feels strongly about NOT wanting to be there could do more harm than good if they stayed. That sucks.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:56:50 GMT -5
Down in the city you might be able to make it with bus service. Their public transit here leaves a lot to be desired. It is nothing like DC Metro, thats light years away.
There is bus service where I live and work, outside of city limits.
I think the key is you can't imagine giving a child up because you cherish those kids, love them, wanted them and so on. Sadly not everyone is born to parents who truly want them. While you would think someone who doesn't want kids would be damn careful about making sure they don't have them, that isn't always the case.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 27, 2012 13:58:41 GMT -5
I just realized I can't post new threads...the blockers at work prevent it so I will have to start it later.... So PM it to me and I will start it.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jul 27, 2012 13:59:38 GMT -5
Or use that smart phone you can't type on
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 27, 2012 14:00:05 GMT -5
Down in the city you might be able to make it with bus service. Their public transit here leaves a lot to be desired. It is nothing like DC Metro, thats light years away. There is bus service where I live and work. AC has both NJ transit, trains and the Jitneys. Most of the residents with less than middle income earning don't have a car. It is a rude awakening when they realize how much it costs. So if they move it is all the way to Pleasantville.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 14:02:45 GMT -5
"Or use that smart phone you can't type on "
LOL...I tried but they wanted $3 for the app...as if I could pay that with a clear conscious after hanging out at YM for all of these years!lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 14:53:15 GMT -5
I would agree that moving out of the city would be the best choice for many. I mean do you really want to live somewhere that has a third of the population getting food stamps? Obviously some choose to stay for whatever reason and every year some of those kids get killed by stray bullets. My daughter doesn't really remember what it was like when we lived in the 'hood. She didn't connect that the gunfire they thoughy was fireworks was why we always went to play in parks instead of the yard. In her teens, our neighborhood was always sooooo boring and the ghetto lifestyle looked like so much fun. She wasn't hearing me when I told her that a lot of kids in the ghetto would be happy to trade places with her. I got tired of it (and a bit worried), so I took her to the 'hood. She was shocked and appalled that we were even driving through there and thought I'd lost my mind when I suggested we take a walk like we do at home. I told her to think about what she sees in the movies and videos, this is where it happens and it doesn't end when the movie or song stops playing. I asked her if this was really where she'd rather live since it didn't look all that nice, and could she imagine dodging all those rough looking characters trying to get home from school or work safely. Suddenly boring looked better and she wanted to go home. I go wherever I want to go in my city, even the bad areas if I have a reason to. She, OTOH, is a snob like Ms. Tequila.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2012 14:54:44 GMT -5
Bad idea to post here while I take a break from piddling around the house. By the time I post, you all have changed the topic again. ;D
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Post by Firebird on Jul 27, 2012 14:57:17 GMT -5
God I want wine. I'm a little nervous that I could become an alcoholic after this kid is born. I've never craved alcohol and I swear I think about it almost everyday this pregnancy.
Right there with you sister!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 27, 2012 14:59:31 GMT -5
Pink, you should be proud that we stayed on topic this long...at EE we would have been drinking by the third post...it took 13 pages to discover Rae is an alcoholic
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