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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 8:50:14 GMT -5
I think I'm going to start carrying onions with me....if someone sits on me, I am lobbing raw onions bits at them I'm going to start rubbing garlic in my fat rolls so i can be extra offensive to my fellow passengers. it's my right! I love the smell of garlic!
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 10, 2012 8:51:39 GMT -5
...:::"Rukh, I agree that there is something telling about the use of the word "humiliate." Like Comom said, most obese people don't think of themselves that way - "could stand to lose a few pounds," "a little overweight," etc., but not obese. I can imagine anyone would find it humiliating for their self-image to go from "chubby" to "too fat to fit in a plane seat" over the course of a minute or two.":::...
I think plenty of obese people are painfully aware that they are obese. I think they already soaked up enough dirty looks while getting on the plane. They probably already dealt with the sighs and muttering of whomever had to be near them.
Think about it this way: if you are a passenger, there is a good chance you will not have to deal with the issue. If you are an obese (or tall, or smelly...) person, then there is a 100% chance that you will have to deal with it.
I see what you are saying about people living in denial, then getting huffy when called out on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:57:21 GMT -5
I'm going to start rubbing garlic in my fat rolls so i can be extra offensive to my fellow passengers. it's my right! I love the smell of garlic! <<note to self, if you see Tina or Swamp on a plane, pray you get bumped>>
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 9:00:42 GMT -5
I love the smell of garlic! <<note to self, if you see Tina or Swamp on a plane, pray you get bumped>> You want me to bump you?? How YOU doin'
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:01:33 GMT -5
I am with whoever said that a plane is just a glorified bus these days, so I brace myself to just get through it. I wouldn't expect a luxury experience on a bus and I don't expect one on a plane. I look at my flights are a means to get from A to B - I get in my seat, put in my earbuds and read until we land.
The longest flight I took was to Vegas when I was getting married, and I sat by DH and the maid of honor. I think I went to the bathroom once in the 6 or so hours we were on the plane. All of my other flights have been less than 3 hours, so I either eat and relieve myself before I get on the flight or wait until afterwards.
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Post by The Home 6 on Jul 10, 2012 9:12:08 GMT -5
I remember the days of flying being a very nice experience. One time, I sat by two sisters from NJ. We visited. It turns out their brother and I have the same first name. We have the same basic job too. Then, the flight attendant came by, and we all got hot water for tea. We had even brought the same herbal tea. It was a pleasant visit. I know, right? I am old enough that I can remember a time flying to North Carolina (WAY before kids, of course) and chatting with the lady beside me. She had a bottle of wine in her carry-on, she cracked it open and shared it with me as we talked. Best flight ever. For what it's worth, I have what the politically-correct crowd calls 'child-bearing hips', and EVERY chair is uncomfortable, airline seating even more so. I don't need a daggone extender, and I am quite careful not to encroach on other's space. Of course, I always sit beside my kids now, so it's kind of a moot point. They are tiny and well behaved now. I bribe them with stickers. And Benadryl.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 10, 2012 9:18:17 GMT -5
...:::"I'd also know that I wouldn't want to make someone else uncomfortable who had the bad luck to be seated by me.":::...
I'm betting that a lot of people are perfectly OK with making someone else uncomfortable to save an extra couple of hundred dollars.
...:::"If that were unavoidable after everything I had done to prevent it, I would hope that the person would be gracious enough to make the best of it without feeling the need to make the situation worse than it already is. I hope this because that is what I would do in this case. Make the best of it. But that's just me.":::...
I agree that the encroached person can certainly avoid making nasty comments or an embarrassing scene. BUT, think about the above situation. The obese person's "make do" is "I didn't have to change my flight, change seats, or pay extra; I just took someone elses space" while the encroached person's "make do" is "I had to sit on a long flight, hunched over, and I'm going to be sore for days".
I would really really REALLY like to believe that I'd be gracious too. A lot of it would depend on my mood, and what had happened up to that point. I'm certain I could keep my mouth shut. But I cannot promise I won't be grimacing or sighing with pain.
FWIW, DW and I saw "Mamma Mia" at the national theatre a few years ago, and those seats were clearly made for a different generation. At 5'10 and 189lbs, I not only had trouble squeezing into the seat, but my knees were pretty much against the seat in front of me. This is a problem EVERYWHERE. On the metro, at stadiums... people are bigger and taller than they were 100 years ago.
...:::"Given how considerate I am, I do not expect nor will I tolerate someone's fat f****** ass on top of me during my flight...":::...
I said something similar Miss Tequila (though a tad less harsh). As someone who works hard to follow the rules, its hard to be sympathetic to those that get the rewards without the work.
...:::"I eat on the plane.":::...
I'm not sure what to make of this one. You gotta eat and few airlines serve meals anymore. There is always overpriced food ($8 for a dry sandwich). For long trips, its very easy to be "stuck" over the course of two meal times. Eating on the plane does not inherently make someone overweight. I enjoy eating during travel and watching a movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:19:12 GMT -5
I know we're steering OT...Yesterday, while in line at the grocery store check out, a man cut right in front of me. I said, "Hey!" He turned and replied, "Sorry, but I have a lot less than you do." I was too dumbfounded to say a word. The clerk didn't come to my defense. I guess she figured since I allowed it, so should she. Is road rage coming to the grocery store? I walked out of the store thinking..."I have encountered 50 well-mannered people today and one A-Hole is going to make me mad for the next hour." I don't think he would have done it if my big 6 foot hubby had been with me and that thought made me even madder. OMG! I had the same thing happen to me a couple of weeks ago!! The woman insisted that I hadn't been standing there with my cart or kids (who pointed out that she cut us in line ) and the cashier and the guy in front of me both said that I had been there the entire time they were checking out. She came back with "well, I only have 3 things and you have a cart full". I let her go in front of me and the kids asked me why. So I used it as a learning experience and told them that although she was being rude by cutting in front us that we could be nice and let her go ahead because she had less than us. After she paid she turned around and said that she honestly didn't see us there. Riiiiight...full cart, two noisy kids and a giant plastic pool would be hard to miss.
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Post by milee on Jul 10, 2012 9:20:02 GMT -5
I remember the days of flying being a very nice experience. One time, I sat by two sisters from NJ. We visited. It turns out their brother and I have the same first name. We have the same basic job too. Then, the flight attendant came by, and we all got hot water for tea. We had even brought the same herbal tea. It was a pleasant visit. But even this nice story shows how complicated the issue is. GEL can't understand why other people might think it's a big deal to share their seat with a stranger because for her it's no big deal. Hootie describes what he thought of as a "very nice experience", but - and again, I'm aware I'm going to Hell so there's no need to tell me - his nice experience sounds like torture to me. No way in heck do I want to chat with a stranger about the names of her extended relatives or what those extended relatives do for work. Add in the fact that I'm stuck next to the stranger for many hours with no chance of escape and the fact that boiling hot water was involved (I've flown many miles for business and can't count the number of times the person sitting next to me has spilled on me) and this story gives me the willies. The only way to accomodate nice, friendly people with no personal boundaries like GEL and Hootie and the awkward, unsocial quiet people like me is to give us all a little personal space and respect the boundaries of the other people. Your seatmate doesn't mind rubbing shoulders with you and hearing about the latest trick your cat does? Great. Lucky pairing. If your seatmate politely looks away or seems uncomfy with your leg rubbing hers, though, it would be nice to respect that as well.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 9:20:15 GMT -5
Same here. Because I am petite, people think they can just shit on you. If I was a man, no way would anyone have dared to ask me to give up my aisle seat and as far as those who cut, they wouldn't be cutting in front of me. Not anymore. There's usually a ten items or less line and that's what they are for.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 10, 2012 9:22:18 GMT -5
...:::"I'm going to start rubbing garlic in my fat rolls so i can be extra offensive to my fellow passengers. it's my right!":::...
Great idea! I'm going to have a big portion of spaghetti with garlic before my next flight.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 9:22:52 GMT -5
I hope you explained very loudly to your kids about the rude lady and that you hoped they would have better manners when they grew up!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 9:23:05 GMT -5
...:::"I'd also know that I wouldn't want to make someone else uncomfortable who had the bad luck to be seated by me.":::... I'm betting that a lot of people are perfectly OK with making someone else uncomfortable to save an extra couple of hundred dollars. ...:::"If that were unavoidable after everything I had done to prevent it, I would hope that the person would be gracious enough to make the best of it without feeling the need to make the situation worse than it already is. I hope this because that is what I would do in this case. Make the best of it. But that's just me.":::... I agree that the encroached person can certainly avoid making nasty comments or an embarrassing scene. BUT, think about the above situation. The obese person's "make do" is "I didn't have to change my flight, change seats, or pay extra; I just took someone elses space" while the encroached person's "make do" is "I had to sit on a long flight, hunched over, and I'm going to be sore for days". I would really really REALLY like to believe that I'd be gracious too. A lot of it would depend on my mood, and what had happened up to that point. I'm certain I could keep my mouth shut. But I cannot promise I won't be grimacing or sighing with pain. FWIW, DW and I saw "Mamma Mia" at the national theatre a few years ago, and those seats were clearly made for a different generation. At 5'10 and 189lbs, I not only had trouble squeezing into the seat, but my knees were pretty much against the seat in front of me. This is a problem EVERYWHERE. On the metro, at stadiums... people are bigger and taller than they were 100 years ago. ...:::"Given how considerate I am, I do not expect nor will I tolerate someone's fat f****** ass on top of me during my flight...":::... I said something similar Miss Tequila (though a tad less harsh). As someone who works hard to follow the rules, its hard to be sympathetic to those that get the rewards without the work. ...:::"I eat on the plane.":::... I'm not sure what to make of this one. You gotta eat and few airlines serve meals anymore. There is always overpriced food ($8 for a dry sandwich). For long trips, its very easy to be "stuck" over the course of two meal times. Eating on the plane does not inherently make someone overweight. I enjoy eating during travel and watching a movie. LOL...I have hit a new low if WWBG is calling me harsh :-p
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:25:25 GMT -5
I know we're steering OT...Yesterday, while in line at the grocery store check out, a man cut right in front of me. I said, "Hey!" He turned and replied, "Sorry, but I have a lot less than you do." I was too dumbfounded to say a word. The clerk didn't come to my defense. I guess she figured since I allowed it, so should she. Is road rage coming to the grocery store? I walked out of the store thinking..."I have encountered 50 well-mannered people today and one A-Hole is going to make me mad for the next hour." I don't think he would have done it if my big 6 foot hubby had been with me and that thought made me even madder. OMG! I had the same thing happen to me a couple of weeks ago!! The woman insisted that I hadn't been standing there with my cart or kids (who pointed out that she cut us in line ) and the cashier and the guy in front of me both said that I had been there the entire time they were checking out. She came back with "well, I only have 3 things and you have a cart full". I let her go in front of me and the kids asked me why. So I used it as a learning experience and told them that although she was being rude by cutting in front us that we could be nice and let her go ahead because she had less than us. After she paid she turned around and said that she honestly didn't see us there. Riiiiight...full cart, two noisy kids and a giant plastic pool would be hard to miss. if she honestly didn't see you there, she can honestly get to the back of the line where she belongs. that lady would have gotten told about herself.... and then I'd have to explain to DS why he should never ever say any of the things Mommy just said.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 9:26:15 GMT -5
ugh! I have a long flight coming about a week and half for work...I'll report back on my experiences. I'm flying to brazil next month...luckily, my company coughs up the cash for business class so I don't have to worry about getting squished! 10 hours in coach would be pure torture.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 9:26:50 GMT -5
DD and I still remember when she was maybe 10 or so, I gave her a number at the deli and let her choose her lunch meat. She had watched me do it enough times and I thought shed enjoy the experience. I came back from fruit buying and she was still there waiting and her number had long been called. I was getting ready to chew her out because I thought she had gotten shy and she told me that when she walked up, she was ignored and the other adults went in front of her. Well, I for on the clerk who tried to excuse herself but looked guilty because she knew shed been a shit and some of the other buttinsky moms were there as well and I chewed them out. Brought the manger over because I was so loud and we ended up with some courtesy lunch meat. But I have been in that position and watched a kid get ignored who waited politely and I always make sure I tell the clerk that this young man or young lady was NEXT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:27:28 GMT -5
ugh! I have a long flight coming about a week and half for work...I'll report back on my experiences. I'm flying to brazil next month...luckily, my company coughs up the cash for business class so I don't have to worry about getting squished! 10 hours in coach would be pure torture. I thought you had no problem fitting in the seats?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:28:15 GMT -5
I make sure to tell them too, zib. How in the hell are we supposed to raise well-mannered kids when they encounter butt-headed adults everywhere they go???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:28:51 GMT -5
I'm flying to brazil next month...luckily, my company coughs up the cash for business class so I don't have to worry about getting squished! 10 hours in coach would be pure torture. I thought you had no problem fitting in the seats? I believe she was referring to getting squished by others.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:29:12 GMT -5
OMG! I had the same thing happen to me a couple of weeks ago!! The woman insisted that I hadn't been standing there with my cart or kids (who pointed out that she cut us in line ) and the cashier and the guy in front of me both said that I had been there the entire time they were checking out. She came back with "well, I only have 3 things and you have a cart full". I let her go in front of me and the kids asked me why. So I used it as a learning experience and told them that although she was being rude by cutting in front us that we could be nice and let her go ahead because she had less than us. After she paid she turned around and said that she honestly didn't see us there. Riiiiight...full cart, two noisy kids and a giant plastic pool would be hard to miss. if she honestly didn't see you there, she can honestly get to the back of the line where she belongs. that lady would have gotten told about herself.... and then I'd have to explain to DS why he should never ever say any of the things Mommy just said. This would be a fun time to be really patronizing. "I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you to go back to your place at the end of the line. You see, I have young children with me and we're really working to teach them about the importance of taking turns and being patient. I wouldn't want to set a bad example for them."
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 9:29:35 GMT -5
I'm flying to brazil next month...luckily, my company coughs up the cash for business class so I don't have to worry about getting squished! 10 hours in coach would be pure torture. I thought you had no problem fitting in the seats? I don't have a problem...but since I wouldn't be flying with my family I would be subject to whomever would be sitting next to me...so I meant getting squished by a random flyer, not because I cant' fit in the seats. And it's a night flight so my seat turns into a bed...and I get a blankie, socks, eye covers and FREE ALCOHOL!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 9:30:04 GMT -5
I thought you had no problem fitting in the seats? I believe she was referring to getting squished by others. Tahnk you Beer...that is exactly what I meant.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 9:30:04 GMT -5
Crafty!
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 10, 2012 9:30:54 GMT -5
I remember the days of flying being a very nice experience. One time, I sat by two sisters from NJ. We visited. It turns out their brother and I have the same first name. We have the same basic job too. Then, the flight attendant came by, and we all got hot water for tea. We had even brought the same herbal tea. It was a pleasant visit. But even this nice story shows how complicated the issue is. GEL can't understand why other people might think it's a big deal to share their seat with a stranger because for her it's no big deal. Hootie describes what he thought of as a "very nice experience", but - and again, I'm aware I'm going to Hell so there's no need to tell me - his nice experience sounds like torture to me. No way in heck do I want to chat with a stranger about the names of her extended relatives or what those extended relatives do for work. Add in the fact that I'm stuck next to the stranger for many hours with no chance of escape and the fact that boiling hot water was involved (I've flown many miles for business and can't count the number of times the person sitting next to me has spilled on me) and this story gives me the willies. The only way to accomodate nice, friendly people with no personal boundaries like GEL and Hootie and the awkward, unsocial quiet people like me is to give us all a little personal space and respect the boundaries of the other people. Your seatmate doesn't mind rubbing shoulders with you and hearing about the latest trick your cat does? Great. Lucky pairing. If your seatmate politely looks away or seems uncomfy with your leg rubbing hers, though, it would be nice to respect that as well. Milee, my DD and her entire HS band took a trip from Phila to WDW. they were 112 of the 124 passangers on the plane. I have always wondered how hard it was for those 12 random business travelers to have not opened the airlock and jumped during that flight. for the record they literally sang the entire four hour journey on the plane both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:31:40 GMT -5
AWESOME! I am totally using that if it happens again!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:31:58 GMT -5
if she honestly didn't see you there, she can honestly get to the back of the line where she belongs. that lady would have gotten told about herself.... and then I'd have to explain to DS why he should never ever say any of the things Mommy just said. This would be a fun time to be really patronizing. "I'm sorry, I'm going to have to ask you to go back to your place at the end of the line. You see, I have young children with me and we're really working to teach them about the importance of taking turns and being patient. I wouldn't want to set a bad example for them." oh. I was thinking "where the ____ do you think you're going, bitch?!" but your way works, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 9:33:03 GMT -5
LOL Jen!
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Post by swamp on Jul 10, 2012 9:33:28 GMT -5
I'm flying to brazil next month...luckily, my company coughs up the cash for business class so I don't have to worry about getting squished! 10 hours in coach would be pure torture. I thought you had no problem fitting in the seats? just because you fit doesn't mean coach is comfortable. 3" recline vs. full recline. free alcohol and good food vs. a can of coke and a bag of 6 peanuts. I'll take business class, thanks.
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Post by milee on Jul 10, 2012 9:33:45 GMT -5
But even this nice story shows how complicated the issue is. GEL can't understand why other people might think it's a big deal to share their seat with a stranger because for her it's no big deal. Hootie describes what he thought of as a "very nice experience", but - and again, I'm aware I'm going to Hell so there's no need to tell me - his nice experience sounds like torture to me. No way in heck do I want to chat with a stranger about the names of her extended relatives or what those extended relatives do for work. Add in the fact that I'm stuck next to the stranger for many hours with no chance of escape and the fact that boiling hot water was involved (I've flown many miles for business and can't count the number of times the person sitting next to me has spilled on me) and this story gives me the willies. The only way to accomodate nice, friendly people with no personal boundaries like GEL and Hootie and the awkward, unsocial quiet people like me is to give us all a little personal space and respect the boundaries of the other people. Your seatmate doesn't mind rubbing shoulders with you and hearing about the latest trick your cat does? Great. Lucky pairing. If your seatmate politely looks away or seems uncomfy with your leg rubbing hers, though, it would be nice to respect that as well. Milee, my DD and her entire HS band took a trip from Phila to WDW. they were 112 of the 124 passangers on the plane. I have always wondered how hard it was for those 12 random business travelers to have not opened the airlock and jumped during that flight. for the record they literally sang the entire four hour journey on the plane both ways. Yeah, we already talked about that. I was the one who flew with my 5 year old son to Belize when we were the only civilian strangers on an all military flight. I didn't mind any of the guys in camo - they were all very polite, were only drinking cold beverages and didn't want to make small talk with us. It was all good. We didn't bother them and they didn't bother us.
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