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Post by hoops902 on Jul 9, 2012 22:35:11 GMT -5
GEL: My daughter's fifth grade teacher was severely allergic to perfumes, etc. She sent home a note at the beginning of the year asking parents to have their children refrain from wearing perfume, bringing "scented" markers to school, etc. She was an outstanding teacher and I think everyone obliged, but I am sure there were probably a few who were opposed. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all work toward a solution that works for everyone like the 5th graders were able to? I'm not talking about the subject of this thread specifically - kids just slay me sometimes with how simple and straightforward things seem to them. "Teacher gets sick so I won't do it." Instead of "Its my right to have scented markers if I want and to heck with her." I love kids. As long as they aren't mine! If it was "teacher gets sick so i won't do it", teacher probably wouldn't have had to send a note home to the parents. It's not as if the kids had some epiphany and worked together, the teacher told the children's parents what they were and weren't allowed to do lol.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 9, 2012 22:39:54 GMT -5
The children obviously went along with it. I don't know about you, but I snuck all kinds of stuff in my bookbag. This couldn't have been accomplished without the children's cooperation.
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Post by whoami on Jul 9, 2012 22:52:31 GMT -5
Story from a flight attendant: Can I tell a story? Early in my career (I have been flying for 14 years), I had a slim, young, kinda good-looking business guy accost me during boarding and rudely and loudly refuse, right in front of the hugely fat, very good-looking business guy next to him, to sit next to someone “so huge” and he flat-out demanded that I look for another open seat. I assured him that I would check for one, and did so.
We can get in big trouble (like fired) for doing this, but I returned to the row in question, told the slim guy that yes, indeed, there was a seat available in First Class, and then offered it to the fat guy, who was only too happy to move. The instigator was floored and wanted very badly to be furious, but he had gotten exactly what he asked for (he did not “have” to sit next to the offending fatty, after all) and the situation quickly fizzled. Buahahaha, that's some awesome karma right there. I think we can all agree the skinny guy was being a dick about the situation. Good for that flight attendant. BS story. Heard the exact same story, only it was a bitchy woman instead of a man and a black guy instead of a fat person.
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Post by bean29 on Jul 9, 2012 23:28:25 GMT -5
We have flown several times in last 2 years. All flights were completely full. Most chaotic was return from orlando in Nov '11. Many families were seperated from their children. Our tix booked by a corp travel agent. I had some trouble getting seat assignments, but was able to get them. I bet there were 10 families with parents and kids seperated. I figured we paid a good deal of $ for our seats and those people might be flying for a fraction of what I paid. We told one family we had been talking to in the waiting area if they could not seat daughter/granddaughter together we would move. It was not necessary. I hate chaos like that. All so the airlines can squeeze an extra 20-40 bucks per seat assignment? It does not generate goodwill. But in the future if it is the only way I can get a seat assignment I will pay up. Being nervous about making your flight on whole trip not worth it.
Obese people- I don't think it is right to publicly humiliate them. Some of the ones who have had issues have been with groups I was with. I think it is ok to inform people that you need to buy 2 seats if you are over a certain size. I don't think they should count on empty seats.
Worst flying experience was crying baby whole flight. Parents were very appologetic to other passengers and one stewardess went above and you beyond to make baby comfortable/get him to stop crying.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 9, 2012 23:33:18 GMT -5
I don't know. Because I don't know how any of that fits with what we were talking about unless someone had their crayons broken in a tight airplane seat situation.
It just means that I wish we could find solutions where people don't mind giving a little if it's for the good of their fellow man or woman. The kids seemed to be able to do it.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 9, 2012 23:49:03 GMT -5
And, I should add, this goes for the overweight person as well as the other passenger.
I've seriously been trying to think what I'd do in that situation if I were very large. First of all, I'd know I was large. I'd also know that I wouldn't want to make someone else uncomfortable who had the bad luck to be seated by me. I'm hoping I would quietly ask if another seat was available where I wouldn't be making someone else uncomfortable. If such a seat was available, I would gladly take it for both the other passenger's comfort and for mine. If another seat wasn't available, I would do the very best I could do to make sure none of my body parts came into contact with anybody else's. If that were unavoidable after everything I had done to prevent it, I would hope that the person would be gracious enough to make the best of it without feeling the need to make the situation worse than it already is. I hope this because that is what I would do in this case. Make the best of it. But that's just me. I'm very non-confrontational about the small stuff. And everybody has a different definition of what their small stuff is. I'm sure there are things a fellow passenger could do that would make me come close to climbing that hill. I just haven't encountered it yet.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 9, 2012 23:50:07 GMT -5
I appreciate you kumbaya attitude GEL - honestly i do. Unfortunately I know what you mean by: and it isn't that people who take up more space "give a little" by actually purchasing the space they need for "the good" of others they may randomly be seating by. No. You don't know what I mean at all. That was meant for both parties involved. Each can do something to better the situation. Those things were sort of explained my other post above. I also said in the beginning of this thread that I thought it was fair to be required to purchase extra space if you require it.
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Post by susanb on Jul 10, 2012 0:05:56 GMT -5
I don't know since English is not my first language, but I didn't think "ironic" had to be unexpected. I am going to look it up Well, my understanding of irony is similar to yours. The blog comments unrelentingly called normal sized people "assholes" and other awful things for not simply understanding that fat people need more space and just shutting up and dealing with being squished. IE - it's not an issue for fat people to encroach on smaller people's space, because smaller people should just understand that this is what it takes for the fat person to fly and be comfortable. For me, the ironic part was where the author of the blog described how her husband is tall as well as fat so tells people in front of him that they can't recline their seats back because it encroaches into his space and makes him uncomfortable. I guess it's OK to ask for people to not encroach on your space if you're fat, but not OK for smaller people to ask fat people to not encroach on their space? Don't try and understand the reasoning of Kate Harding or her minions. You will break your brain. You haven't even gotten to the best of it. She majored in liberal arts, perhaps English or Literature, which is great. Good on her. The problem is that she thinks it qualifies her to dismiss an entire body of scientific research/evidence. She is big in the HAES (Healthy at Every Size) movement and actually wrote a book (Lessons from the Fatosphere) about how all the scientists, doctors, journals and health organizations that state being overweight/obese has health consequences are wrong. Really. I wish I were making this up. She shut down her website/blog that Firebird linked to not long after that. No new articles/comments. She writes for Salon sometimes. I used to read her blog and the comments once a month just to get another perspective.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 10, 2012 0:22:11 GMT -5
We did find that solution - the obese person can buy an extra seat, therefore, giving a little for the good of their fellow, not obese, man or woman.
Lena
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Post by resolution on Jul 10, 2012 1:25:38 GMT -5
What I have learned in this thread is that others feel quite entitled to the space I paid for. They care nothing for my discomfort and the violation of not only my space, but my actual body. They feel entitled to it actually. They expect me to suck it up. Why on earth should they plan for and pay for the size they are when they can just nudge me over to the side of my own seat. I pretty much had the same epiphany a few years ago when I got back from a trip where I was squished for 5 hours. I have some morbidly obese co-workers and when I mentioned that the flight had been uncomfortable (I didn't bring up being squished) they told me they always look for someone my size to sit next to so there is more room to overflow into the neighboring seat. I don't want anyone humiliated, but I do want to occupy the space that I purchased. I did go on a flight in a brand new plane a few weeks ago and the seats seemed roomier. They did something to make the seats thinner or somehow occupy less space and they reclined much less. However they must have gotten some of their space out of the bathroom because I could barely turn around in the thing.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 6:32:17 GMT -5
Kari, i feel for you and in your case, your coworkers were just plain rude. So it's okay to squish a skinny person and they purposely look for one? That's just beyond belief that they would think that was okay and their right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 6:43:05 GMT -5
Anyone else finds it EXTREMELY ironic that half of people on this thread calling the other half inconsiderate, all while proposing that it's perfectly OK to inconvenience others in the spirit of goodness and all around humanity? Lena add Lena to the karma list....
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 7:56:42 GMT -5
Honestly, I will not pay extra for wider seats. My family and I are normal weight and we have no problem fitting in the seats. I don't want to pay extra just because other people can't fit in the seats. And most people I know that travel (when not having the bill picked up by work) would not want to fly an airline that is more expensive. I pick my airlines by 1. ticket price 2. non-stop flight. I don't care about the size of the seat.... It still comes down to expecting those of us that aren't fat to pay more because of others. I have no problem with the seats as they are now. Honestly, I would pay extra not to share a flight with you. There is a breed of traveler I just don't want to be around. I don't know if they are truly inconsiderate or just plain oblivious. But they are going to load their bag sideways in the overhead bin, before sitting down to the most foul smelling deli sandwich they could find. After lunch, they'll bruise my kneecaps when they recline if they are ahead of me... or even better, if we share a row, they will take both armrests, insist upon leaping from their seat the moment we land, so their ass is in my face for 20 minutes because I cannot physically stand under the overhead bin, and proceed to have the loudest cell phone conversation before we deplane so 20 rows of people can listen to how frustrated air travel makes you, when they just want to check their voicemail or call a ride. Something tells me those assholes are all going to be taking the bargain flight with you and your undersized family. Enjoy! Wow...talk about judging me without even knowing me...I'd pay extra not to sit next to a judgmental bitch, TYVM! For the record, I am a very considerate traveler...I do NOT overpack my travel bag, do not eat on the plane (could be why I'm not FAT!), am too paranoid about flying to even think of having a phone conversation. Given how considerate I am, I do not expect nor will I tolerate someone's fat fucking ass on top of me during my flight...if that makes me a judgemental bitch, well I guess I will have some company.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 7:57:47 GMT -5
Story from a flight attendant: Can I tell a story? Early in my career (I have been flying for 14 years), I had a slim, young, kinda good-looking business guy accost me during boarding and rudely and loudly refuse, right in front of the hugely fat, very good-looking business guy next to him, to sit next to someone “so huge” and he flat-out demanded that I look for another open seat. I assured him that I would check for one, and did so.
We can get in big trouble (like fired) for doing this, but I returned to the row in question, told the slim guy that yes, indeed, there was a seat available in First Class, and then offered it to the fat guy, who was only too happy to move. The instigator was floored and wanted very badly to be furious, but he had gotten exactly what he asked for (he did not “have” to sit next to the offending fatty, after all) and the situation quickly fizzled. Buahahaha, that's some awesome karma right there. I think we can all agree the skinny guy was being a dick about the situation. Good for that flight attendant. BS story. Heard the exact same story, only it was a bitchy woman instead of a man and a black guy instead of a fat person. it was outed on snopes...I think I heard it with a skinhead and a black person...they say none of the stories are true.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 7:59:03 GMT -5
Anyone else finds it EXTREMELY ironic that half of people on this thread calling the other half inconsiderate, all while proposing that it's perfectly OK to inconvenience others in the spirit of goodness and all around humanity? Lena add Lena to the karma list.... Exactly! JFC...if you want to eat yourself to the size of a god damn barn, have at it...but be aware of your size and be considerate...
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 8:03:40 GMT -5
;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:04:25 GMT -5
I eat on the plane. But other than that I keep to myself as best I can. I try not to touch anyone or encroach in their space. I typically wait until 1-2 rows in front of me are empty before I stand up to gather my things. I hate flying, and I hate how it's gone from a somewhat luxury experience to a bus with wings. One of these days I'm going to take the train to Florida and get the stateroom with beds.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 8:14:31 GMT -5
I eat on the plane. But other than that I keep to myself as best I can. I try not to touch anyone or encroach in their space. I typically wait until 1-2 rows in front of me are empty before I stand up to gather my things. I hate flying, and I hate how it's gone from a somewhat luxury experience to a bus with wings. One of these days I'm going to take the train to Florida and get the stateroom with beds. Well that's pretty f'n inconsiderate to EAT on the plane!lol I'm too nervous to even think of food when I'm on a plane...I hate to fly!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:19:24 GMT -5
LOL! Well I don't ALWAYS eat on the plane, but they tell you to come to the airport like 3 hours before the flight, then when you breeze through security in less than an hour, you're waiting at the gate for like 2 hours. And you're surrounded by all that damn overpriced airport food just wafting its aroma over to you. Then you board the plane and you can't get out of your seat or anything for at least another half hour. Now it's been almost 4 hours since I got the the airport and probably close to 5 hours since I've eaten last. When the Jet Blue peeps come around with the snack bags you bet your ass I'm taking one!
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Post by swamp on Jul 10, 2012 8:19:58 GMT -5
LOL! Well I don't ALWAYS eat on the plane, but they tell you to come to the airport like 3 hours before the flight, then when you breeze through security in less than an hour, you're waiting at the gate for like 2 hours. And you're surrounded by all that damn overpriced airport food just wafting its aroma over to you. Then you board the plane and you can't get out of your seat or anything for at least another half hour. Now it's been almost 4 hours since I got the the airport and probably close to 5 hours since I've eaten last. When the Jet Blue peeps come around with the snack bags you bet your ass I'm taking one!
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 10, 2012 8:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 8:23:41 GMT -5
LOL! Well I don't ALWAYS eat on the plane, but they tell you to come to the airport like 3 hours before the flight, then when you breeze through security in less than an hour, you're waiting at the gate for like 2 hours. And you're surrounded by all that damn overpriced airport food just wafting its aroma over to you. Then you board the plane and you can't get out of your seat or anything for at least another half hour. Now it's been almost 4 hours since I got the the airport and probably close to 5 hours since I've eaten last. When the Jet Blue peeps come around with the snack bags you bet your ass I'm taking one! LOL!! But they give you a bag with 4 pretzels in it...I think CraftySarah will give you a pass on that...just don't eat onions!lol
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Post by swamp on Jul 10, 2012 8:26:19 GMT -5
LOL! Well I don't ALWAYS eat on the plane, but they tell you to come to the airport like 3 hours before the flight, then when you breeze through security in less than an hour, you're waiting at the gate for like 2 hours. And you're surrounded by all that damn overpriced airport food just wafting its aroma over to you. Then you board the plane and you can't get out of your seat or anything for at least another half hour. Now it's been almost 4 hours since I got the the airport and probably close to 5 hours since I've eaten last. When the Jet Blue peeps come around with the snack bags you bet your ass I'm taking one! LOL!! But they give you a bag with 4 pretzels in it...I think CraftySarah will give you a pass on that...just don't eat onions!lol For $5.99 Jet Blue has some snack packs that aren't horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:27:40 GMT -5
I think I would be giving death ray eyes to someone eating onions next to me on a flight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:28:49 GMT -5
LOL!! But they give you a bag with 4 pretzels in it...I think CraftySarah will give you a pass on that...just don't eat onions!lol For $5.99 Jet Blue has some snack packs that aren't horrible. yeah, they have some weird snack brands, but they are pretty decent. Did you pay for yours? Ours were free with the flight.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 10, 2012 8:29:50 GMT -5
I think I would be giving death ray eyes to someone eating onions next to me on a flight. I think I'm going to start carrying onions with me....if someone sits on me, I am lobbing raw onions bits at them
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Post by swamp on Jul 10, 2012 8:29:53 GMT -5
We had to pay for them.
I woujld have willingly paid $20 per snack pack to keep the kids occupied.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:36:44 GMT -5
Ugh. This entire thread is getting me all verklempt about flying.......... in 12 days!!!!
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Post by swamp on Jul 10, 2012 8:45:19 GMT -5
I think I would be giving death ray eyes to someone eating onions next to me on a flight. I think I'm going to start carrying onions with me....if someone sits on me, I am lobbing raw onions bits at them I'm going to start rubbing garlic in my fat rolls so i can be extra offensive to my fellow passengers. it's my right!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2012 8:48:47 GMT -5
They do already have a scale right there....
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