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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:42:09 GMT -5
WWBG, we've pretty well behaved. None of the quips have been naughtier than PG and none of the insults have been directed at people. You can probably skim.
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Post by Firebird on Jul 9, 2012 15:43:26 GMT -5
WWBG, we've pretty well behaved. None of the quips have been naughtier than PG and none of the insults have been directed at people. You can probably skim. ![](http://forums.clubrsx.com/images/smilies/yeahthat.gif) It's one of the more respectful fat threads we've had.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 9, 2012 15:44:43 GMT -5
And it really is about the same argument that that space in front of my face is "my space" and I paid for it but most people insisted that I bought a ride and not a set amount of space to sit in. Like I said, that's the crux of the argument. Personally, I think both sides have merit. On the one hand, you're paying for a ride - period. Not a certain amount of space/comfort (unless you buy a seat in first class). On the other hand, you are entitled to your own seat without someone else encroaching. I find that as unpleasant as anyone else does. My other problem is that every seat is a different size. So a person could fly and fit okay. Maybe not as well as someone who was skinny but well enough to not encrouch on the person next to them. then there is the seat I got. Anyone over the age of 8 would have found that seat challanging size wise. How would the person know which seat they are going to get?
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 9, 2012 15:45:21 GMT -5
Rukh, you are absolutely right. ![](http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/buttons/K2.png)
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Post by midjd on Jul 9, 2012 15:45:24 GMT -5
![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/thumbsup.png) to Rukh's entire post. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 9, 2012 15:45:34 GMT -5
I'm going to admit I did not read the entire thread. Shocking, I know.
I'll also admit to a weight problem that's becoming less of a problem as I work on it.
I think the airline policy is a stab at fairness, but in reality, not a very workable policy. Mainly because it tries to make everyone happy and winds up making very few people happy.
I am wondering if the airlines will eventually go the way of many hospitals, doctors' offices, movie theaters and other public places and begin to add extra-wide seats to accommodate larger passengers. I say this because many current planes than fly domestic-only flights no longer have a first-class section that offers larger seats. Question is: would those seats be made available for a higher premium price, and if they were not all full at flight time, could they still be sold at a premium price to anyone else on a first-come, first-serve basis?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:46:08 GMT -5
"On the one hand, you're paying for a ride - period. Not a certain amount of space."
I am sorry but you are wrong. If that was the case, then I could just lay down on 3 seats across and the people who are supposed to be sitting there, well, they can stand since they didn't buy that space, just a ride. If my ticket says 6A, then I bought that seat fully for that ride. It doesn't say half of 6A. I don't know why you are turning this into something against obese people. It is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:47:03 GMT -5
I don't like being touched, either. Although, I also don't like it when people insist upon chatting on airplanes. The more sardine-like the experience, the less chatting, I've found. So there may be an up side.
But those seats are straight up too small for an adult human. If you cannot bear to be touched, buy two seats. If you're trying to travel cheap, you may just have to accept that you have to touch strangers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:49:30 GMT -5
"If you're trying to travel cheap, you may just have to accept that you have to touch strangers. "
There is touching then there is touching so much that you are actually sweating together. It is the latter that actually disgusts me.
I should also add that maybe you are just a big body builde who cannot fit in your seat. You should buy 2 seats in that case too. So it is really not about being fat, it is about fitting in the space assigned to you without being all over the other person/people.
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Post by 973beachbum on Jul 9, 2012 15:50:43 GMT -5
"On the one hand, you're paying for a ride - period. Not a certain amount of space." I am sorry but you are wrong. If that was the case, then I could just lay down on 3 seats across and the people who are supposed to be sitting there, well, they can stand since they didn't buy that space, just a ride. If my ticket says 6A, then I bought that seat fully for that ride. It doesn't say half of 6A. I don't know why you are turning this into something against obese people. It is not. Then by your argument 6A has to be the exact same size as 6B and 6C or priced according to size. The problem is they are not. Seat sizes on planes vary greatly! So I got stuck in a seat that was 14 inches wide and had 6 inches between the front of my seat and the seat in front if it was fully upright. If I was paying for a "seat" I would have paid less for my less space but I didn't have the ability to even know that it was a super small seat I was just told that my ticket to X city was blank dollars. It wasn't a deli where I paid for a pound of ham. I merely paid for a passage to another ticket. And man did they not promise me comfort! ![](http://syonidv.hodginsmedia.com/vsmileys/yikes.png)
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Post by tloonya on Jul 9, 2012 15:50:53 GMT -5
You're very funny and a much happy addition to the gang. zibby! who are you talkin to? care to quote? just sayin '
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Post by Angel! on Jul 9, 2012 15:51:33 GMT -5
It was their choice to NOT buy adequate space. Everything rest on them. I don't care about why or how they are large. I don't want them to feel bad. i just want to have my seat and not be touched by a stranger.So back before the airline changed the policy and they were actually able to buy two seats for one person, they were supposed to do what exactly - stay home? I'm pretty sure you could always buy 2 seats. Southwest's site said this has been a policy for 31 yrs. It is just more recently - probably due to a combination of social networking & an increase in fat people that this is becoming a bigger issue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:52:59 GMT -5
"Then by your argument 6A has to be the exact same size as 6B and 6C or priced according to size. The problem is they are not."
Maybe I have never been on a plane like that but other than the exit row, I thought all seats were the same in economy and all seats the same in business and all the same in first class on the same plane. Maybe they gave you the stewardess' seat??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 15:54:34 GMT -5
The seats are the same size, but the curve of the plane means that the allocated space is not. The window often loses leg and head room.
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Post by tloonya on Jul 9, 2012 15:56:31 GMT -5
I know what to do. You come on the plane with some sort of homemede or storebought device that has batteries and can be inserted between yours and chubster's seats. When chubby flesh rolling over onto your 'paid for' seat - he gets shocked! Hillarious isn't it??? ![](http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/10172/tinfoilhatsmile.gif)
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 9, 2012 15:58:04 GMT -5
...:::"I said the same thing a few months ago. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) WWBG got testy and threatened that if my kids were seated next to him, he'd feed them junk and show them Japanese Manga Porn. I told him to go right ahead, a few hours plane ride by myself is a luxury worth making a few tradeoffs for.":::... Ah ah ah... what WWBG got testy over was the implication that I was somehow OBLIGATED to switch seats with you just because, or else you'd give me some snarky passive-aggressive "mmmmkay, you'll be sorry" and have your kids act up to "punish me". I am under no obligation whatsoever to give up my nice aisle (which I probably booked months in advance, and checked in 23h59m prior for) in exchange for your middle that you got last minute. You are free to ask me. I am free to say no. You are not free to disrespect me just because you didn't get your way. Did we not just have a huge respect thread about this! I'm sure the few hours of peace and quiet will come in handy for thinking of answers to questions like "Mommy, what was that Japanese space octopus doing to those schoolgirls?" ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) In related news, I pre-emptively built up a lot of seat karma last week by moving three different times to accommodate couples and the elderly. I even gave up a seat this morning to a person who "felt woozy". When I fly next week, I better get to sit wherever I want, including the damn flight deck if I want to!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 9, 2012 15:58:52 GMT -5
Not likely you'd make it past security with such a device, Loony. The TSA would haul you off to the pokey faster than the Underwear Bomber flashing his Jockey shorts with a stick of dynamite attached.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 9, 2012 16:01:13 GMT -5
. Those were my words and they weren't aimed at you. They were aimed at those people who have immature, hissy fits on airplanes and who make a spectacle of themselves while humilating others. Who has immature hissy fits & makes a spectacle of themselves? No matter how uncomfortable I am, I am not going to start screaming about how unfair it is I got stuck next to McFatty & attempt to intentionally humiliate them. But, if I am uncomfortable enough & knowing airline policy I think it is reasonable that I can approach a stewardess & explain the situation & ask that it be fixed. While any discussion that involves a person's weight may leave them embarrassed & humiliated, it isn't fair that I sit through hours of discomfort to avoid that. They know they are overweight & based on the blog FB posted, they are uncomfortable as well. So why can't I take some initiative so that we can both be more comfortable on the flight? I don't think the airlines attempt to humiliate people, I think there is just no nice way to say "your butt is so big you need to buy a second seat", especially to someone that is probably already self-concious of their weight.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 9, 2012 16:01:24 GMT -5
OK I've solved the problem. The government just needs to give each citizen or family its own plane, tailor made for the occupants measurements.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 9, 2012 16:04:33 GMT -5
...:::"I'd allow WWBG to show my kids Japanese Porn and feed them junk so I could have a few hours alone on a plane.":::...
For you swamp, I'll just read them the "50 shades of grey" trilogy.
OK how about this: when you fly, you do NOT pay for use of a space. You pay to have yourself and your luggage transported from your point of origin to your destination. If the airlines articulated the above as their value proposition, there would be no more arguing about comfort.
6 pages in and so far so good...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2012 16:06:00 GMT -5
"6 pages in and so far so good..."
Are you expecting this thread to get out of hand??
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Post by Angel! on Jul 9, 2012 16:12:55 GMT -5
...:::"I'd allow WWBG to show my kids Japanese Porn and feed them junk so I could have a few hours alone on a plane.":::... For you swamp, I'll just read them the "50 shades of grey" trilogy. Wouldn't work on my kids. They would both be bored silly & ignore it. Meanwhile DD would continuously try to poke you in the eye & giggle. While DS would play his version of knock knock, which involves answering "Eli", "Eli Who", "Eli Rock" (or Eli House, Tree, Stop Sign, Plane or whatever else he happens to see at the end of the knock knock joke) at which point he & DD will both laugh hysterically & really high pitched & then he will start another knock knock joke. And don't try to ignore the knock knock joke because then there will be yelling "WWBG you have to say "who's there"", "WWBG YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!! WHEN I SAY KNOCk KNOCK YOU SAY WHO'S THERE!!" "WWBG!!" "WWBG, LISTEN TO ME!!" At which point he might start crying, which sometimes causes DD to cry also. Seriously, you think some porn, a book, candy, & soda will somehow make my life difficult later. LOL. You have no idea what you are in for if you choose to sit next to my kids for several hours.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 9, 2012 16:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by midjd on Jul 9, 2012 16:14:51 GMT -5
Angel, your kids sound cute. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ;D
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 9, 2012 16:14:53 GMT -5
No worries. I figure the thread she writes waiting to go to prison will be even better.
And while she's there, we can smuggle messages to her in prison, hidden in melons and inside Amish chickens.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Jul 9, 2012 16:20:41 GMT -5
...:::"Meanwhile DD would continuously try to poke you in the eye & giggle... Seriously, you think some porn, a book, candy, & soda will somehow make my life difficult later. LOL. You have no idea what you are in for if you choose to sit next to my kids for several hours.":::...
Why do you think that is OK? There's "kids are kids" (which I understand and would make allowances for) and then there is just plain disrespectful. Maybe I'd play dinosaurs with a kid who was setting them up. But poking me in the eye? No. Just... no.
But don't worry. If I have a few hours, I'll find their weakness, because I simply don't like to lose.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Jul 9, 2012 16:21:54 GMT -5
I think everyone else's kids are cute. That's why they are everyone else's and not mine. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/lightbulb.gif) If I'd had kids, I would have been in jail or an asylum the first month. I have no problem entertaining other people's kids on a plane. As long as I know I will never, ever see them again post-flight. ![](http://us.social.s-msn.com/s/images/emoticons/wink_smile.gif)
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Post by Angel! on Jul 9, 2012 16:29:08 GMT -5
...:::"Meanwhile DD would continuously try to poke you in the eye & giggle... Seriously, you think some porn, a book, candy, & soda will somehow make my life difficult later. LOL. You have no idea what you are in for if you choose to sit next to my kids for several hours.":::... Why do you think that is OK? There's "kids are kids" (which I understand and would make allowances for) and then there is just plain disrespectful. Maybe I'd play dinosaurs with a kid who was setting them up. But poking me in the eye? No. Just... no. But don't worry. If I have a few hours, I'll find their weakness, because I simply don't like to lose. LOL, If you are referring to the eye-poking, it isn't ok. She is not quite 2 yet, ridiculously stubborn, & at an age where she like to show you she knows body parts. She gets time-outs all the time for things like eye-poking, but she is either stubborn or a slow learner. So, IMO, it still falls into the kids are kids category - just now you get to be the one to discipline, which won't be easy with a 22 month old on a plane ;D You play dinosaurs with them, they will have a blast. I was just describing what will happen when you try to corrupt them with something like 50 shades of gray. They will get bored & create their own game ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Angel! on Jul 9, 2012 16:32:23 GMT -5
Angel, your kids sound cute. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ;D They are adorable ;D They just can drive you nuts sometimes & I just don't think WWBG has any idea when he talks about corrupting kids, at the young ages they can almost always get to you with their silly games ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by emma1420 on Jul 9, 2012 16:41:32 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what this world is coming to sometimes. Yes. If I purchase a seat on an airplane, I want to be able to use my whole seat. But if I can't? I'm not going to die from it. I'm going to be a bit inconvenienced and uncomfortable, but I sure as heck can't see being inconvenienced or uncomfortable enough to humiliate someone over it by complaining. But, there is a huge difference between being a bit inconvenienced and uncomfortable for an hour or two and for 10+ hours on a long haul. I don't wish to cause anyone any embarrassment, but I pay for a seat, an entire seat, not part of one. And you bet on longer flights I will say something, because I have no intention of potentially being in pain for hours at a time, because I'm afraid to hurt someone's feelings. As the width of an economy seat for any given airline is quite easy to find online, I think that it is the passenger's responsibility to some degree to make sure they check and see if they can fit in seat that is standard for that flight. Most of the airlines themselves make that information available on their website (although it does require a bit of digging), or you can go to one of the 3rd party websites that specialize in providing information about individual plane cabins (which always include the seat width).
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