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Post by Firebird on May 16, 2012 10:36:15 GMT -5
Let me just add that this is how I view all of this. This is my personal opinion and nothing more. There are plenty of parenting decisions with which I disagree and even judge, but it doesn't necessarily mean that I think they're bad parents in totality for making them. As I keep saying, I firmly believe most parents do the best they can with their children and make what they perceive to be the right choices for them. I'm not a parent quite yet, but I am absolutely positive I'll make mistakes with my children, and even damage them from time to time. All I can do is be the best parent possible and make the choices I perceive to be the right ones.
So yes, I have strong opinions about indoctrinating children (and again, this is NOT synonymous with "teaching children about your religion" so please quit equating those statements). I also have strong opinions about breastfeeding, corporal punishment, homeschooling, and any number of other parenting decisions. But just because I disagree with someone doesn't automatically make me right and them wrong.
I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with being judgmental, as long as you recognize that just because you have strong feelings about something, that doesn't make you the final arbiter of whether it's right or wrong.
That, I believe, is where you and I are different.
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Post by Tired Tess on May 16, 2012 13:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2012 13:42:18 GMT -5
I feel the same way, Lena. I'm not going through all this pain of having and raising kids just so they can judge me and think I'm going to hell. I'd rather they believe what I believe. One less thing to fight about at Christmas Dinner.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 5:49:27 GMT -5
So yes, I have strong opinions about indoctrinating children (and again, this is NOT synonymous with "teaching children about your religion" so please quit equating those statements).
One man's "indoctrination" is another man's "teaching". Yes, i absolutely plan to INDOCTRINATE my children into what i believe is right and wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 7:20:46 GMT -5
One man's "indoctrination" is another man's "teaching". Yes, i absolutely plan to INDOCTRINATE my children into what i believe is right and wrong. Yes!  Doctrine/ teaching? Interchangeable. Not a bad thing.. It is indeed teaching as Shooby says. And can be applied most anywhere there's instruction.. On the other hand, brainwashing sets out to wipe away a person's ability or want to, to think on their own.. Religion/faith has gained a bad rap because we who are in faith(s) are very adamant concerning our faith.. Standing firm in faith and teaching our children and even others can be perceived negatively. I am very firm in my beliefs, but present them in love.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 7:28:34 GMT -5
I will absolutely teach my children what i believe. However, when they are adults, they have to "work out their own salvation". They have to make decisions for themselves and decide how best to live. And, they may or may not accept all that i believe. They don't have too. I certainly don't have all the answers.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 8:26:59 GMT -5
I will absolutely teach my children what i believe. However, when they are adults, they have to "work out their own salvation". They have to make decisions for themselves and decide how best to live. And, they may or may not accept all that i believe. They don't have too. I certainly don't have all the answers.  Therein lies the difference.. We make room, the gift of God to expand and to bloom in our children as they grow. It's called a foundation in which they can make "choice" to build upon.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 8:30:03 GMT -5
Isn't it amazing how we can teach our children what is common to most, the right from the wrongs, yet they still go out there and make their own "bad" choices??
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 8:33:58 GMT -5
Isn't it amazing how we can teach our children what is common to most, the right from the wrongs, yet they still go out there and make their own "bad" choices?? -Sigh- Well, i have made my share of bad choices as well. |
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Post by moxie on May 18, 2012 8:40:31 GMT -5
"This is my personal opinion and nothing more." ^You are entitled to that and so are others. I respect everyone's Freedom of Speech and I have gotten a lot of flack when I remind folks that no matter how harsh someone may sound expressing their opinion, they are still entitled to it (example: Funnybonze, MSN). Did I care for a lot of the things he said? NO! Did I like the way he treated people? NO! Did I think he was entitled to express his opinions/beliefs? ABSOLUTELY! Agree to disagree. Scroll on by if it offends you or if you don't share the same beliefs. Easy. |
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Post by moxie on May 18, 2012 8:42:02 GMT -5
"Well, i have made my share of bad choices as well." We ALL do, but if you learn from those bad choices, then it was all worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 10:08:41 GMT -5
Well, i have made my share of bad choices as well. Same here.  Mistakes allows us room to grow! |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2012 10:25:03 GMT -5
"This is my personal opinion and nothing more." ^You are entitled to that and so are others. I respect everyone's Freedom of Speech and I have gotten a lot of flack when I remind folks that no matter how harsh someone may sound expressing their opinion, they are still entitled to it (example: Funnybonze, MSN). Did I care for a lot of the things he said? NO! Did I like the way he treated people? NO! Did I think he was entitled to express his opinions/beliefs? ABSOLUTELY! Agree to disagree. Scroll on by if it offends you or if you don't share the same beliefs. Easy. Choice is a wonderful thing! To stay or walk away.. Choose! Easy peasy is right, Mox!  There is, I believe, a proper way to make any assertion whether stating truth or fiction. Projection and perception is everything. Being confident and firmly gentle while stating your cause is fine. Then there's just plain ole' harshness. I do not prefer harsh. I firmly believe " Truth" in its timing, will reign above all else.. |
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Post by TonyTiger on May 18, 2012 15:22:30 GMT -5
Raising kids with religion: Yes or no? Yes - with a few caveats here-and-there... |
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Post by moxie on May 18, 2012 15:53:28 GMT -5
"caveats" Are those anything like kudzus?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 17:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by egginbonce on May 20, 2012 1:14:29 GMT -5
"caveats" Are those anything like kudzus? NO- a caveat is something you wear round your neck,and a kudzu is a 6 foot black guy with a spear who is trying to kill you at Rourkes Drift .............................  |
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Post by egginbonce on May 20, 2012 1:21:57 GMT -5
"This is my personal opinion and nothing more."
^You are entitled to that and so are others.
When I say things like that, its another way of saying that I disagree with someone....................(in my heart of hearts, I usually feel that I am the only person whose opinion is worth having,and assume that everyone else is just as ignorant as I am...is this why theres no hope for humanity?)
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2012 5:39:30 GMT -5
Oh gosh, eggs! Sounds like you've been bouncing.. ;D
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Post by egginbonce on May 20, 2012 8:12:18 GMT -5
bouncing?................yayyy.im a bouncer!!.......................... ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2012 8:34:31 GMT -5
bouncing?................yayyy.im a bouncer!!.......................... ;D Okay, egginbonce, you got me on this one.. I didn't realize there was no u in the latter part of your moniker.. Wasn't intentionally callin' ya loony, I promise.  ;D |
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Post by Don Perignon on Jun 11, 2012 12:41:40 GMT -5
The heart is a construct of muscle tissue that pulses to circulate blood through the arteries; the heart was once thought by many people to be the source of human affection and emotion. People also used to believe that "bleeding" the ill would purge them of "evil humours".
Modern science is rejected by those who choose to "believe in" fallacies that they find pleasing or entertaining.
Hence we still have people that choose to "believe in" fairy-tale princesses, "angels" and "demons", etc.
Some people choose to be deluded... because they are "comfortable" with their delusions.
In my opinion, any adult that believes that "Santa Claus" lives at the "North Pole" and flies around the world in a sleigh drawn by flying reindeer... is not playing with a full deck.
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Post by jackthelad on Jun 11, 2012 13:09:57 GMT -5
The heart is a construct of muscle tissue that pulses to circulate blood through the arteries; the heart was once thought by many people to be the source of human affection and emotion. People also used to believe that "bleeding" the ill would purge them of "evil humours". Modern science is rejected by those who choose to "believe in" fallacies that they find pleasing or entertaining. Hence we still have people that choose to "believe in" fairy-tale princesses, "angels" and "demons", etc. Some people choose to be deluded... because they are "comfortable" with their delusions. In my opinion, any adult that believes that "Santa Claus" lives at the "North Pole" and flies around the world in a sleigh drawn by flying reindeer... is not playing with a full deck. Thank you for the medical lesson Don, much appreciated. Sorry to hear that Santa Claus is a myth though in your opinion and he doesn't have a flying sleigh pulled by reindeers. Unlike god, i have always believed in Santa, so do my children and grandchildren, but never thought he lived in the North Pole but Lapland. The sleigh might be laid up though, think Santa uses modern day technology, probably got a Jumbo jet. |
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Post by Don Perignon on Jun 11, 2012 13:18:09 GMT -5
knock off the insults, Don.
-chiver mod
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Post by jackthelad on Jun 11, 2012 13:21:42 GMT -5
deleted quote that has been removed. -chiver mod Yep, whatever that means Don. |
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 11, 2012 13:25:11 GMT -5
oops. brain's moving faster than my fingers today.  |
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Don Perignon
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Post by Don Perignon on Jun 11, 2012 13:32:02 GMT -5
Rejecting other peoples' fantasies is "insulting"?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 11, 2012 13:34:43 GMT -5
that's not the post that was deleted. you can disagree with someone or reject those opinions for yourself without insinuating what you did.
keep it respectful.
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Post by jackthelad on Jun 11, 2012 13:42:32 GMT -5
I have heard of people not playing with a full deck, we call them card sharps. The way Don's mind thinks, i suppose you could say, that anyone who votes Republican are not playing with a full deck either. I t might be a good slogan for Obama and the Democrats. What do you think. |
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Post by Don Perignon on Jun 11, 2012 23:19:16 GMT -5
Tangential to the OP...
Should one teach one's children that certain items are "lucky charms"?
Rabbits' feet and four-leafed clovers and all that?
Or is it all malarkey?
Is it a good thing to fill a child's head with malarkey?
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