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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:00:21 GMT -5
Genetics don't make a father a father. But genetics do make me an Honor. If my father was really the pool boy, then I'm not an Honor, even though I was raised by one. What is an Honor and what does that have to do with taking a last name? |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2012 13:01:01 GMT -5
"Ugh, I roll my eyes every time I get an email with "Attorney Name, Esq." in the signature line... "
Personal or business? I have CPA and my title in my business email...actually, it's a company policy to have any accreditations along with your title as your signature....I'm not pretentious!lol
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2012 13:01:41 GMT -5
"The best response a guy can give: "well, then marry someone who agrees with you". I wish I'd done that. "
LMAO! You jsut got married like two weeks ago!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:02:22 GMT -5
"Ugh, I roll my eyes every time I get an email with "Attorney Name, Esq." in the signature line... " Personal or business? I have CPA and my title in my business email...actually, it's a company policy to have any accreditations along with your title as your signature....I'm not pretentious!lol CPA actually means something. Esquire does not. it is just a pretentious thing to call yourself. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 11, 2012 13:02:29 GMT -5
I am old fashioned...take the man's name unless it is something like Schmidlap, Focker, Outhouse, etc. Ain't gonna happen. My 30+ year professional life is tied up with journal publications under my name, and that is more important then an old fashioned idea. |
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 11, 2012 13:04:28 GMT -5
...:::"If someone gave me a ring on the condition that I change my name to get engaged, I would probably tell them that I hoped the jewelry store has a good return policy, after they fished the damn thing out of their colon.":::...
You must be new here, so welcome to MSN money. In most cases, I'd agree with you. In my case, however, my fiancee (who was with me to choose) had very expensive requirements. I don't see anything wrong with having a requirement of my own.
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Post by Opti on May 11, 2012 13:04:29 GMT -5
...:::"That's kinda douchey.":::... Call it what you want. The women I've watched or heard second hand argue typically employed a combination of "modern women keep their names", "its slavery/ownership to take your name", "its a pain in the ass to change", and "why don't YOU take MY name". The best response a guy can give: "well, then marry someone who agrees with you". I wish I'd done that. This is the stake in the ground you wish you had planted?  I guess more proof the honeymoon is way over. |
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Post by midjd on May 11, 2012 13:04:45 GMT -5
No, this just applies to attorneys... I don't have an issue with any other professional using their accreditations, but for some reason "Esq" bugs me.  Probably because the signature is usually like, "Bob Jones, Esq. Partner, Bob Jones Law Firm" The "esq." is just redundant. At least in this state, you HAVE to be a lawyer to be a partner/associate in a law firm |
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Post by swamp on May 11, 2012 13:05:38 GMT -5
...:::"That's kinda douchey.":::... Call it what you want. I don't respond well to ultimatums. But then, I don't act in a manner than anyone has ever had to give me an ultimatum. |
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Post by Opti on May 11, 2012 13:05:57 GMT -5
...:::"That's kinda douchey.":::... Call it what you want. The women I've watched or heard second hand argue typically employed a combination of "modern women keep their names", "its slavery/ownership to take your name", "its a pain in the ass to change", and "why don't YOU take MY name". The best response a guy can give: "well, then marry someone who agrees with you". I wish I'd done that. we all wish that too.....  Why do I get the feeling you think that would slow down the whining and complaining? |
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Post by nogooddeed on May 11, 2012 13:06:04 GMT -5
I had a friend in college with the last name Titsworth. I kid you not. She couldn't wait to change her name when she married. ;D
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Post by Taxman10 on May 11, 2012 13:06:10 GMT -5
I had someone ask me when he found out I didn't take DH's last name, "How could you reject your husband like that?" WTF? I can see how you'd reject your DH like that. |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2012 13:07:37 GMT -5
Ok, I just went through my emails to see the signature line of all the attorneys I deal with. Teh Brazilian attorneys are very informal...no signature, just their name.
My US attorney is general counsel for our holding company and his signature is
John Smith
General Counsel-North America
hmmm...I guess no one uses esquire...I never paid much attention.
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Post by reader79 on May 11, 2012 13:07:55 GMT -5
I have to say that I would probably be open to changing my last name to a potential future husband's because my first name is very distinctive, and people would still know who I was professionally. Also, because my last name is already hyphenated, and I have seen what issues it causes. However, if I am not married, and the children fairy stops by, they are getting my last name.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 11, 2012 13:10:39 GMT -5
....:::"a bridal shower present for my desk...it was a business card holder with my first name and my husband's last name...":::...
Yeah... my co-workers did this too. DW said that was the last nail in the coffin. She felt so pressured about it that any possible joy that could have come from it was totally ruined.
I know other posters have said similar things: that when people just kept their bazoos shut and let them warm up to ideas, they came around. Thank god the fine people here have more tact when it comes to smalltalk, and know not to ask those kinds of questions -- especially knowing that 100 other people have probably already asked them.
But I know thats how it goes. When are you going to get engaged -> When are you going to get married -> Are you taking his name -> When are you having a baby -> When are you having another baby -> When are you going to get grandchildren -> ...
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Post by Taxman10 on May 11, 2012 13:11:40 GMT -5
I can't say it was a deal breaker but my husband and I fought over me taking his last name. We then agreed on me hyphenating my name so his was included....let me tell you, after a few months of signing eveyrthing Tina Drunken-Tequila I got annoyed and just took his name. now that I have kids I am happy that I took his name. For me, I just like having the same last name as my children. it's nice to see there are still some decent women out there who'll submit to their husbands. |
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Post by movingforward on May 11, 2012 13:12:41 GMT -5
...:::"If someone gave me a ring on the condition that I change my name to get engaged, I would probably tell them that I hoped the jewelry store has a good return policy, after they fished the damn thing out of their colon.":::... You must be new here, so welcome to MSN money. In most cases, I'd agree with you. In my case, however, my fiancee (who was with me to choose) had very expensive requirements. I don't see anything wrong with having a requirement of my own. Seriously? She had "very expensive requirements." I know there are women like that out there but I honestly can't imagine requiring a certain type of ring. I just don't feel like you should do that to someone you love. Of course, I am also different in that I don't feel the need to be legally bound to another person and I am just fine with living together. |
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Post by Taxman10 on May 11, 2012 13:13:15 GMT -5
Since branding these days is considered abuse, how else would I show ownership?  |
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on May 11, 2012 13:14:41 GMT -5
What is an Honor and what does that have to do with taking a last name? Honor is a stand in for my actual last name, which I got from my father, who got it from his father, who got it from his father, etc., etc., going back to the kingdom of Silesia before the 9th century. Modern day Germany/Poland. We still keep the tradition to this day of the wife taking the husbands last name, along with the kids, because they're the father's property, and he would pass down his lands and titles to them. Except that the vast majority of us no longer have hereditary titles. The one flaw in the whole system is that prior to the invention of paternity testing there was no way to know that the guys was actually the biological father of the kids. If even a single wife of one of my direct male ancestors cuckolded him, then I'm not actually descended from any of the original "Honor's" of Silesia. We should track lineage through the mother, since she's the only one you can be sure of, in which case everything should go through the wife's name. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:15:24 GMT -5
Since branding these days is considered abuse, how else would I show ownership? property tat?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:15:33 GMT -5
you women take everything from a guy....even his name....no wonder there are so many nameless guys out there......  |
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Post by Taxman10 on May 11, 2012 13:15:51 GMT -5
"Ugh, I roll my eyes every time I get an email with "Attorney Name, Esq." in the signature line... " Personal or business? I have CPA and my title in my business email...actually, it's a company policy to have any accreditations along with your title as your signature....I'm not pretentious!lol CPA actually means something. Esquire does not. it is just a pretentious thing to call yourself. Good point Arch...thats why I make everyone address me Mr. Taxman, CPA |
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on May 11, 2012 13:16:07 GMT -5
...:::"we all wish that too...":::...
Yeah well, let it not be said I can't learn from my past. I'm done being weak.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:16:13 GMT -5
What is an Honor and what does that have to do with taking a last name? Honor is a stand in for my actual last name, which I got from my father, who got it from his father, who got it from his father, etc., etc., going back to the kingdom of Silesia before the 9th century. Modern day Germany/Poland. We still keep the tradition to this day of the wife taking the husbands last name, along with the kids, because they're the father's property, and he would pass down his lands and titles to them. Except that the vast majority of us no longer have hereditary titles. The one flaw in the whole system is that prior to the invention of paternity testing there was no way to know that the guys was actually the biological father of the kids. If even a single wife of one of my direct male ancestors cuckolded him, then I'm not actually descended from any of the original "Honor's" of Silesia. We should track lineage through the mother, since she's the only one you can be sure of, in which case everything should go through the wife's name. Ok. I am not sure what that means, your honor. |
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Post by raeoflyte on May 11, 2012 13:16:45 GMT -5
...:::"That's kinda douchey.":::... Call it what you want. The women I've watched or heard second hand argue typically employed a combination of "modern women keep their names", "its slavery/ownership to take your name", "its a pain in the ass to change", and "why don't YOU take MY name". The best response a guy can give: "well, then marry someone who agrees with you". I wish I'd done that. we all wish that too.....  |
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 11, 2012 13:16:58 GMT -5
...:::"If someone gave me a ring on the condition that I change my name to get engaged, I would probably tell them that I hoped the jewelry store has a good return policy, after they fished the damn thing out of their colon.":::... You must be new here, so welcome to MSN money. In most cases, I'd agree with you. In my case, however, my fiancee (who was with me to choose) had very expensive requirements. I don't see anything wrong with having a requirement of my own. Seriously? She had "very expensive requirements." I know there are women like that out there but I honestly can't imagine requiring a certain type of ring. I just don't feel like you should do that to someone you love. Of course, I am also different in that I don't feel the need to be legally bound to another person and I am just fine with living together. I told DH I didn't want a diamond e-ring. He got me a sapphire with channel set diamonds. I'm the one wearing it. But I grew up with a Mom who loathes her wedding set (but wears it) and refuses to have it remade unless Dad comes along to pick out the new set. He figures he picked out one set and he's done, so he won't. They'll be married 50 years in Oct and this is the longest running argument I'm aware of. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:17:39 GMT -5
"Ugh, I roll my eyes every time I get an email with "Attorney Name, Esq." in the signature line... " Personal or business? I have CPA and my title in my business email...actually, it's a company policy to have any accreditations along with your title as your signature....I'm not pretentious!lol your box o' wine says otherwise! |
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 11, 2012 13:18:54 GMT -5
"your box o' wine says otherwise! " What can I say...us classy folks get drunk on wine |
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Post by midjd on May 11, 2012 13:19:26 GMT -5
OK - so that's why some women don't want to do it. So what are the arguments FOR taking the man's last name? It's based on the tradition Dark describes - ensuring paternity - so there's really no need for it with today's advances in DNA science. But so many men are wedded (HAHA) to the idea of their wife taking their last name - I don't get it. And again, I DID take DH's last name... but he never could give me a good reason why I should. It's kind of the same argument as to why we don't have Sunday alcohol sales in this state... all the reasons behind the original ban are completely outdated, but no one wants to change it because "that's just the way it's always been." |
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Post by daisylu on May 11, 2012 13:20:08 GMT -5
My kids know I'm their mommy whether or not we share a last name. I was unmarried when I had my kids, and they have my maiden name. I have since married and taken my husband's last name. Does that mean I am not the mom aanymore? |
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