Could a Giraffe Have Evolved?

[Deleted]

Egg.

I thought about my final non-idealism answer to your question. You ready?

Ideally, I want and do have my tangible sight, ok? And I want God's supernatural love to operate side by side in both my natural and spiritual life.. That is my final answer and I'm sticking to it.. More than likely it will be a non-ideal response in your opinion. That's okay though. I can live with that.

[egginbonce]

Hi H2H.............you often seem to tell me that 'thats that, and I'm sticking to it',in the middle of a 'debate/chat, and I think that you are a bit worried that you might lose sight of your god by indulging me in my thoughts about religion?
Dont be worried;Im quite nice really.......................................

[egginbonce]

supernatural......'above nature'...how can ther be such a thing?............Im sure that there a quote by JC, in which he remarks that theres no point looking for god under stones and behind doors,as God is more obvious than that,and so Im not sure that supernatural is the best way to describe god................'if I cant go through the pearly gates in my size 10s with mud on them, then they are the wrong pearly gates '(winston Churchill)

[egginbonce]

natural AND spiritual life,eh?.................so can you explain the difference between the two for me?

(and none of the old 'thats that and thats all there is to it thingy......OK? ;D)

PS..............not having a go at you, just getting into the interaction............................I cant discuss politics,finance,history or art,due to lack of education, but anything which is to do with 'being here', I'm an authority on(as should we all be),as its here that I am, so, in a way, I'm 'reading from the book',or, if you like, my remarks are 'ex cathedra'(to be pretentious )

[jackthelad]

Jun 21, 2012 11:52:06 GMT -5 egginbonce said:

supernatural......'above nature'...how can ther be such a thing?............Im sure that there a quote by JC, in which he remarks that theres no point looking for god under stones and behind doors,as God is more obvious than that,and so Im not sure that supernatural is the best way to describe god................'if I cant go through the pearly gates in my size 10s with mud on them, then they are the wrong pearly gates '(winston Churchill)

Some Gypsies arrived at the pearly gates, St Peter said to them, i am afraid i can't let you in, god is very particular to who enters. One gypsy said, god will let us in, just go and ask him, St Peter went to have a word with god, and said there are gypsies out side the pearly gates what should i do. God said let them in, St Peter went away, and shortly came back. He said to god, they have gone, god said the Gypsies, St Peter said the pearly gates.

[jackthelad]

I came top of the class in Religious studies, and i don't have a clue what it was all about.
I could never understand why the priest sticks a piece of biscuit in your mouth and says the body of Christ, then gives you a drink of wine and then says the blood of Christ. Does the Christian church believe in cannibalism.

[egginbonce]

even I know that Jack.........heres the answer...............errrr........................errrrr......................anyway, I've got a nice painting of Leonardos 'the last supper',which my mum did................(the original is rather too large for my hallway,so I turned it down;the fact that its on a wall didnt help.....................)

[Deleted]

Dont be worried;Im quite nice really.....

Now, that's debatable!

Egg. You assume quite a lot concerning my temperament. Let me see, you think I may be a little worry wart about a slew of things.. Like you, for starters, fear of losing and your having at me. Unsure of my God. My inability to carry on a debate. (By the way, what is the purpose of a debate? To convince the other they are wrong? Or.. To convince the other side(s) to see the truth according to their truth(s)) And maybe slightly being an airhead too. Remember that teddy bear remark? I do.

(and none of the old 'that's that and thats all there is to it thingy......OK?

Nope. It is not okay for you to suggest how I am to respond to you or vice versa, you me. Got that? You can respond anyway you'd like to any of my comments. I ain't worried or fearful. ;D

I cant discuss politics,finance,history or art,due to lack of education,

Yeah, OK. I somehow am not buying that.. I think you are being facetiously modest; maybe descending to my level maybe? Whatever..

Anyway, Egg.. I am all bear this morning. Not good. Real life matters are nipping at my nerves. So let me give you a peek into one facet of how the supernatural operates in the believer's life if they so choose to allow the invisible spirit of God to hold back our sometimes wrathful tendencies. The believer refrains from killing everyone in their path and makes the world around us a safer place for everyone in our sphere..

Whether man believes the supernatural is one of God's applied operative attributes on man-kinds behalf or not, it is. How many times have, you, me and a whole lot of folks we know who've withheld their secret thoughts of get-back-at-ya actions from someone who ticked us off? Countless? Oh, I would dare say.

There are many in the past and present who disregard the supernatural operating power of God in/for their lives. We all have a built-in that via our conscious which says to us concerning life matters.. "No, don't do this, or, yes, do that." By the way, all that is good comes from the Father. God built and made alive every man and breathed into him the breath of life. Within that breath, man has choice.. To eat from the tree of life. Or.. From the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In other words, which I probably should've stuck to while I was ahead in clearer wording.. God gave man the will to choose. Choose life and live with him eternally because of salvation through Jesus Christ. Or choose from the naturally good or evil tree which brings eternal penalty. A life on earth, lived without acknowledging God as the ultimate source of life and all that pertains to the individuals life..

I believe these truths by the supernatural operating spirit of God that lives and moves within me.. Trust me, Egg. These truths keeps me from going postal most of the time. And because I choose life, I am covered by the blood when and if I do go postal. Oh, that word the blood of Jesus Christ again, I know. Kinda bugs you, huh? But it is the truth I sincerely believe in, Egg..

So shoot me.. But, before you do, my friend Egg. May you be born again by the spirit, so we can meet again in spirit life.

Just kidding about you shooting me, of course. You gotta catch me first. ;D

[egginbonce]

Hi H2H.thanx for long reply....................the purpose of a debate?.................the fun of the opportunity to indulge in some mental masturbation(Sorry;I mean to excercise ones mind.);but not for any end result,such as convincing another of something they may find 'alien' to them.its a means of making contact,I suppose,and better contact is made by dealing with things which are close to the heart,than posting pic s of fluffy bunnies(this much, no doubt you agree with?)
'
'Nope. It is not okay for you to suggest how I am to respond to you '

course it is, because its POSSIBLE for me to do just that,but pedantism aside, all I meant was that its more fun to persue the issue,than just wind it up by saying his is this and that is that,as if by so doing, the matter is resolved, when it plainly isnt,even if only one of us feels that it isnt.

'I think you are being facetiously modest'........partly true,but not altogether so, as my education(in my eyes) consisted of learning a 'trade',albeit a 'fancy' one;there was no time to get what I regard as an education ,tho the opportunity was there, i guess;any spare time i had , I went drinking, playing pool, or womanising,like most students.............
'believer refrains from killing everyone in their path'

the wise person does, you mean,as they can see the futility.........tis nowt to do with belief, or every atheist would be a murderer. ;D(not being an atheist,tho, I wouldnt know)

'By the way, all that is good comes from the Father. God built and made alive every man and breathed into him the breath of life. Within that breath, man has choice.. To eat from the tree of life. Or.. From the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In other words, which I probably should've stuck to while I was ahead in clearer wording.. God gave man the will to choose. Choose life and live with him eternally because of salvation through Jesus Christ. Or choose from the naturally good or evil tree which brings eternal penalty. A life on earth, lived without acknowledging God as the ultimate source of life and all that pertains to the individuals life..'

This last is unworthy of you,as it is unfounded assertion,and has no place in a sensible discussion;you are bigger than that.

so we can meet again in spirit life.

we dont need to, as we have that opportunity now, in this one(take the cash in hand,and leave the rest;heed not the music of a distant drum).............you know who wrote that,Im sure............
love and good wishes to you,H2H,an hope ter hear from yer soon

[Deleted]

but not for any end result,such as convincing another of something

Egg. You mean to tell me you would keep going in never-ending circles without climax? That is not how I roll. I believe in coming to some type conclusion, eventually, in every matter. Even if it is a that's that for me whether you felt it was or not.. No sarcasm intended here whatsoever. I'd rather master and bait the teddy bear than keep beating a non conclusion endless climax.. One may faint at the trying..

This last is unworthy of you,as it is unfounded assertion,and has no place in a sensible discussion;you are bigger than that.

God's truths sure are unworthy of me, they are worthy of him alone. But his truths protect and keep me for eternity to come. To believe the truths of God, it takes supernatural divine intervention which only He (God) can give .

Egg. It is a dangerous time for you to use the word bigger in ANY context in your writs concerning me. I am not liking bigger anything right about now..

we dont need to, as we have that opportunity now, in this one(take the cash in hand,and leave the rest;heed not the music of a distant drum).............you know who wrote that,Im sure............

as we have that opportunity now

How so? Unless you are referring to the supernatural.

Nope. I didn't know before, but I do now. I am smart enough to google and discerned just a wee bit when it comes to whether or not to believe google may have gotten this one right.. Some poet came up with the line about them drums..

You leave my fluffy bunnies and teddies alone.. I'll send my bear coming and clawin' atcha if you refuse to.. ;D

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Newtons 3rd law is one which,(if you are right),only holds true by gods will;what I meanhere(playing devils advocate),id that either newton was right, or that god has(as u say), the power to influence(create,maintain;destroy)energy,and that god trumps Newton,and makes the laws of physics dependent on him(is 'him' the right word?).

Why not both?

I like your cow story eggy, however, your cow story isn’t relevant to the historical context that I have about JC. Have you read all those long posts yet? You see the way he left his market, was he marketed his death so he would never be forgotten.. Because the TRUTH will set you FREE!

Scientists find new evidence supporting John the Baptist bones theory
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9333052/Scientists-find-new-evidence-supporting-John-the-Baptist-bones-theory.html

On Thursday, the team announced they have provided scientific evidence to support the extraordinary claim. The findings are to be presented in a documentary to be aired on The National Geographic channel in Britain on Sunday.
The research team dated the right-handed knuckle bone to the first century AD, when John is believed to have lived until his beheading ordered by king Herod.

.Im sure that there a quote by JC, in which he remarks that theres no point looking for god under stones and behind doors,as God is more obvious than that,and so Im not sure that supernatural is the best way to describe god.

Actually that is completely wrong, or did you already see this and your just toying with me?

Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."
(77b) ...Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

This is from script 150 yrs before the new testament.. So 1) this shows that BOOKS were wrote about the Rabbi before the Romans adopted Christianity. And 2) JC seems to think that God was everywhere and throughout everything, not so much centralized in a human form but rather just like the energy that flows in our body. You know how our bodies are like batteries right? Circuits and such.. Not really much there is we didn’t have skin….

Eggy, do me a favor and Google Master Chief. There is a blind girl on there that is a really good cook. You can still love and have no sight; if you CHOOSE to.

[egginbonce]

Egg. You mean to tell me you would keep going in never-ending circles without climax?

and what comes after tha climax?.thats rright - the world doesnt end;more stuff happens;the climax,was just a point in the (ongoing) journey,and your life is as it was-a work in progress.................dunno about circles, but the journey surely continues;there are no end points apart from those which we 'invent';after a full stop comes a new sentence ?

[egginbonce]

God's truths sure are unworthy of me, they are worthy of him alone. But his truths protect and keep me for eternity to come. To believe the truths of God, it takes supernatural divine intervention which only He (God) can give .

this seems to me to be one of those assertions which have nowhere to grasp them by,as they are baseless,so I cant answer that, though I hope my answer doesnt seem rude..............

[egginbonce]

Omar Khayyam(my favorite author)wrote the line i quoted.....................

Oh, an those fluffy bunnies.....................remember 'Fatal Attraction'?

[egginbonce]

Actually that is completely wrong, or did you already see this and your just toying with me?

Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."
(77b) ...Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."


Hi Ham.....I meant that religion fosters a belief that God is inaccessible and a mystery,hence mt remark about looking behind doors and under stones.
The (rather nice)quote you gave, is to illustrate the fact that God is everywhere and in everything(hence no such thing as 'The Devil').
salutations and felicitations to you..........eggy

[egginbonce]

funnily enough, they were two similar remarks,which had opposite meanings,werent they?

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Had to look up felicitations, you old word wizard you. I did find that interesting eggy about the quotes, that's why I thought you were messing with me as I'm sure I have put that quote out there before now.. However, WE WIN eggy!

To me the devil is something more like this... Life is a test, it's all about choices eggy...

[egginbonce]

Hi Ham..........................wasnt messin,as u can tell, but it was a fun coincidence,wasnt it?

'In GOD we Trust';all others have to pay on receipt of goods(As the joke goes..............

'WE WIN eggy!' We always do;its the reward for a virtuous life!(or am I misconstruing your meaning again? )

I also agree with you about the devil.................he must be behind all the bad music thats been written(not to mention the bad films,and books...................

'ave a good day as you yanks say,Ham...........its rainin here,and im so bored with my house conversion ,that Im off on my bbike for a soggy ride(dont go there......... .......................Llongyfarchiadau...................eggy

[egginbonce]

'the beast in me'.................gosh,and ive had people make fun of me for liking Leonard Cohen................JC(johnny cash,I mean) would be a misery to spend half an hour with, wouldnt he?(specially now hes ded),and gone to .............gone to.......errrrr...........gone to.................welll anyway, I hope someone read him the Tibetan book of the ded for 40 days and nights before he went to................went to............................errr.........................
funny that.jc went off for 40 days and nights, so did Buddha,and (unless its 30), the Tibetan book is supposed to be read to the deceased(!)for the same time, so thay can achieve an advantageous rebirth(I assume they mean advantageous spiritualy,or materially, unless by coincidence,as wealth doesnt have to be a bar to Heaven;so I wud argue with jcs assertion that its easier for a rich man,etc)
I spose wealth is hard to let go of both for real, and in ur mind,and is addictive in a destructive way, so jc s point was a good un;anyway- now its story time b4 i go for my bike ride(just trying to put it off is all.... ;D):

rich man died, arrived at the pearly gates and when met by St Peter,asked to go in,but was told that as he'd led such a selfish life at others expense, that he had to stay outside.When he objected,and started to plead his case, St Peter told him that if he could think of one selfless thing he had done(IS there such a thing,BTW?),he would be allowed in.
He told Peter that he had once given sixpence(it was a few years ago,this;dunno if they have time in heaven,tho...?)to a starving child,so Peter told him that hed go off and ask God .
When he returned, he had a coin in his hand,and when the rich man asked what God said, Peter said "he told me to give you your sixpence back and tell you to go to Hell!)

'a good deed that calls itself by tender names becomes parent to a curse'.................(Lizzie Borden)

as in ;lizzie borden took an axe,etc..................... ;D...............whwew...........bak lata............eggy.

[jonbel]

its rainin here,and im so bored with my house conversion

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Never mind Eggy, it will look beautiful when it's finished

[egginbonce]

I think I'll have a day off on wednesday,and go for a drive........................Bournemouth is nice, I hear....................

[jonbel]

Yep, plenty of totty on a Wednesday too!

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Hi Ham..........................wasnt messin,as u can tell, but it was a fun coincidence,wasnt it?

I agree. I did get the point across nicely too didn't it? ;D

When he returned, he had a coin in his hand,and when the rich man asked what God said, Peter said "he told me to give you your sixpence back and tell you to go to Hell!)

Classic.. That's the idea though... Ties into this..

'WE WIN eggy!' We always do;its the reward for a virtuous life!(or am I misconstruing your meaning again? )

That's the ticket, JC was created to bring the message.. EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY and was given the ability to do something to create the chance at that happening. Now we must CHOOSE to live a virtuous life to make it in the NWO.. Nobody likes being around an a-hole....

'the beast in me'.................

Don't get that one eggy? Image isn't replica.. We aren't perfect, at least try to control yourself.

Glad to hear your house is moving along... You're going to have to teach me some British, since I live within the Commonwealth and all..

spkn?... AHB

[egginbonce]

at least try to control yourself.

Always gettin told that........................................

[egginbonce]

Now.......British.......................can do a little Welsh..................................

[weltschmerz]

'the beast in me'.................gosh,and ive had people make fun of me for liking Leonard Cohen......
-----------------------
I LOVE Leonard Cohen. Which people? Give me their names and I will happily kick their butts.

[egginbonce]

thanx,Weltz.............. ..there are some things that one just mustnt make fun of.............

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Welsh you say... My sister in law is dating a welsh man.. It gets more interesting...

[egginbonce]

nasty picky people, The Welsh.......................... ;D ;D

[weltschmerz]