Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 10, 2011 20:41:25 GMT -5
When has a military strategy been to build up other nations so that they are equal to you? Something had to be done after the forties because the war wasn't over, just turned cold. I know that we as humans can walk better with two legs. Why can't the world?? Don't fool yourself, or listen to the media that is always looking for the decline of America. It is possible that short term loss in jobs will lead to long term gain in prosperity for everyone. We are not talking about sections of the planet this is the whole world that is involved. These are current market events that tie this all in together!!! US sets up consumer product safety office in China news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_us_product_safetyLaos to open stock market seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2013893591_apaslaosstockmarket.html?syndication=rss |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 12, 2011 0:28:02 GMT -5
|
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 13, 2011 0:56:03 GMT -5
|
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 14, 2011 1:56:38 GMT -5
|
|
kman
Initiate Member
Joined: Oct 8, 2011 20:43:42 GMT -5
Posts: 83
|
Post by kman on Jan 14, 2011 20:42:43 GMT -5
How ironic , a communist government having capitalistic growing pains.
|
|
|
|
Post by comokate on Jan 14, 2011 20:44:21 GMT -5
This message has been deleted.
|
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 14, 2011 21:36:50 GMT -5
I F'N LUV IT!!!  The best part is what this means for the people!! Keep pushing on your people because the world is watching and 75% of humans on earth are tired of being held down!! Kudlow was talking about RED China Rising and I just rolled my eyes. Japan, Russia, now Asia. Who's next..... Oh ya.  Freedom and Democracy. There no substitute! Tunisia's embattled president surrenders power: worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/01/14/5839067-tunisias-embattled-president-surrenders-power |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 16, 2011 2:23:55 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 16, 2011 9:06:39 GMT -5
Umm, I am not a citizen of Laos or China. There is not an infinite pool of resources and wealth, ergo what we bleed is what makes them prosperous.
Good grief, this globalist insanity has destroyed the West.
|
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 16, 2011 11:25:09 GMT -5
It's called strategy. What we have blead will make them prosperous that's right. Their cheap labour is the only thing they have over us. What is the best way to beat an enemy? To occupy and assimilate through military force? Or assimilate through economic means? This "globalist insanity" has saved us from ending up like the original Native Americans. Now all of their people what what we have in their own countries and are ready to stop at nothing to get it. Just think, once there is a domestic market in these countries they can produce things for their countries and we can start producing things for ours again.
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 16, 2011 11:29:06 GMT -5
It's called strategy. What we have blead will make them prosperous that's right. Their cheap labour is the only thing they have over us. What is the best way to beat an enemy? To occupy and assimilate through military force? Or assimilate through economic means? This "globalist insanity" has saved us from ending up like the original Native Americans. Now all of their people what what we have in their own countries and are ready to stop at nothing to get it. Just think, once there is a domestic market in these countries they can produce things for their countries and we can start producing things for ours again. We're not assimilating squat, we are losing economic clout. That's a fact, look around you. The West is dying, the East is rising. "Globalism" has destroyed the West and has only benefited the international corporations. We have lost 8.5 million jobs that will never come back unless the govt. stops printing phony prosperity and begins to enact fair trade policies. People will continue to invest in the East and make a killing in real wealth. Just look at the capital flows...the West is bleeding capital and mark my words, the only thing Western govts. know are capital controls. God forbid they actually make the West worth investing in. Personally, I want to invest with chess players, not checkers and Connect Four politicians. Unfortunately, I have been very accurate in my observations since the NASDAQ bust. I see no current or future trends that dissuade me from my present course today, either. Lastly, it is not the West that's practicing capitalism. How many Americans have read Theory of Moral Sentiments? Premier Wen carries a copy of it in his briefcase. Who is teaching whom? |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 16, 2011 11:47:11 GMT -5
LOL, that's hilarious. Were not assimilating??
Skyscrapers across the globe.. check
American Fast food in All places around the globe....check
Chinese and Arab rich buying expensive western products.. check
Communist countries adapting capitalist economic systems..check
The list goes on....
Has the east had some effect on our culture. Yes. However economically the east has adopted the western way of life so in the end they will have wages just like us, and outsourcing will be a thing of the past.
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 16, 2011 11:59:08 GMT -5
LOL, that's hilarious. Were not assimilating??
Skyscrapers across the globe.. check
American Fast food in All places around the globe....check
Chinese and Arab rich buying expensive western products.. check
Communist countries adapting capitalist economic systems..check
The list goes on....
Has the east had some effect on our culture. Yes. However economically the east has adopted the western way of life so in the end they will have wages just like us, and outsourcing will be a thing of the past. A perfect example of Western hubris is evidenced in the belief that only the West can do such and such. Skyscrapers going up around the globe? Do you know that China erects skyscrapers in weeks when our over-regulated, over-litigated culture hasn't done anything with Ground Zero? Not that that is an example of anything of import. Yeah, China is adopting capitalism. We have tossed it aside. Russia, Hong Kong, and Asia adopt flat taxes. We continue with our socialist, 100 year old tax system. There is not one shred of evidence that the West knows how to do anything right anymore. We destroy our currencies; socialize banking, insurance, mortgage, and industrial losses; spend ourselves into oblivion; offshore productive capacity; fight multiple wars we cannot afford; etc. And in the meantime, Democrats argue with Republicans, as if there is a difference. Westerners continue to bicker over weeklong trends in equities versus precious metals or whatever, instead of looking at the historical cycles of govts. and economies. I don't know how many times I have to be right for people to listen to me but it is of no consequence to me anymore. I can only hope the 100th Monkey experiment finally demonstrates its ubiquity, but I am not waiting around for it. Wake me up when the US stock markets even come close to their inflation-adjusted highs, and Western govts. shrink by 75%. In fact, I enjoy it when people continue to pump the West. It just means more real, inflation-adjusted profits for me. |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 16, 2011 12:49:37 GMT -5
A perfect example of human hubris is evidenced in the belief that we were meant to be ruled. Or that someone was supposed to be look at like the top dog. Why is it so hard to believe that we have both had influence each other, and that is has been for the GOOD? That going forward we will focus on economic development and innovation for better human development? We collectively understand that we are a spec in this universe. Maybe it's time to look beyond ourselves.. It's too bad that you think that there is not one shred of evidence that the west knows how to do things right. If you think that the banks don't need to be regulated that's just a shame. Disney is opening a park in Shanghai. It's a Japanese tradition to eat KFC on Christmas eve. They decorate parts of Beijing at Xmas time. Oh ya there was on more, big thing..... China needs the WEST. For the next 30 years as they try to develop their economy; they will still need their exports. If you NEED someone you didn't win. you are a P.O.W. Do you know what happened to the US GDP to debt ratio from 1950-1980? P.S. I'll be away for the day. I'll check back later. Enjoy your nap, some of us will be here being part of the solution... |
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 16, 2011 13:29:08 GMT -5
A perfect example of human hubris is evidenced in the belief that we were meant to be ruled. Huh? You're the one in favor of the current Western mercantilism, not me.
Or that someone was supposed to be look at like the top dog.
Can you point me to where I have ever stated I cared where our status is in the world? I am a Libertarian, therefore what I am worried about is protection of individual liberties. The West has been destroying them for decades. The East is slowly, gradually loosening its firm grip on them. The less economic freedom, the less overall freedom and the acceleration toward decline and totalitarianism.
Why is it so hard to believe that we have both had influence each other, and that is has been for the GOOD? That going forward we will focus on economic development and innovation for better human development? We collectively understand that we are a spec in this universe. Maybe it's time to look beyond ourselves..That's what I've been doing. We have not been focusing on economic development. Look at what the West has been doing. What's so economically developed about socializing everything that moves? When the Chinese and Russians even say we're practicing socialist capitalism, then something is rotten in Denmark.
It's too bad that you think that there is not one shred of evidence that the west knows how to do things right.Present me with a shred of evidence that we have done anything significantly or even somewhat right related to the markets in the past decade. We have blown three of the biggest bubbles in history and debased our medium of exchange by nearly 40%, while real wages have declined to 1973 standards.
If you think that the banks don't need to be regulated that's just a shame.What are you talking about? The banks are as big as they are BECAUSE of over-regulation, with the exception of the repeal of Glass-Steagall via GLB. They own the politicians and regulators. The only true regulation, other than Glass-Steagall, is the creative destruction and prevention of moral hazard provided by the markets. American history alone has proven this already. These banks know they will be bailed out, so they take risks they otherwise wouldn't take if the free markets had their way. It is moral hazard extraordinaire.
Disney is opening a park in Shanghai. It's a Japanese tradition to eat KFC on Christmas eve. They decorate parts of Beijing at Xmas time.Great, so more jobs go overseas. And you wonder why capital is fleeing America?
Oh ya there was on more, big thing..... China needs the WEST. For the next 30 years as they try to develop their economy; they will still need their exports. If you NEED someone you didn't win. you are a P.O.W.LOL yeah, they need us. That must be why Asia is dumping the dollar and dollar-denominated assets, and the FED is monetizing all newly issued govt. debt now. That must explain why India is telling the US to piss off and is trading gold for Iranian oil. Remind me again who was on here, discussing with you the fact that oil for gold will be the new paradigm, just as it was in the past with Aramco?
Do you know what happened to the US GDP to debt ratio from 1950-1980?Do you mean Debt:GDP? That's an awfully arbitrary set of years to aggregate, considering you are using years from completely different monetary systems. It'd make more sense if you chose 1971-2010, and 1945-1971.
Enjoy your nap, some of us will be here being part of the solution...If you wanted to be part of the solution, you'd analyze datasets like I have been for the past 10 years -- with pure, unbiased objectivity. "Orient" your mindset to the way the world is, and not the way the Western MSM propagandizes it. You'd also become very wealthy doing so. It does no good for you or anyone else to look at the world as any way other than what it is. But like I said, all I can do is lead a horse to water, like I tried to do with the NASDAQ and housing bubbles. I am telling you in no uncertain terms that public debt is the new bubble. |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 17, 2011 0:34:50 GMT -5
You can try and twist my words, however there are very few posts on here and in almost all of them I talk about equality for all. A blending of sorts.
While I agree that there are problems that need to be addressed. The way you talk about the west. The fact that you believe China and Russia when they talk about our economic systems, while they are adopting them; tells me, and others, on here something.
Your right about one thing, the East has finally started to open up and adopt some form of human rights. Only because they are forced to. The west has been destroying human rights for decades?? LOL, Rosa Parks was arrest in 1955 for riding in the wrong seat. I could go on, however, in 1914 the biggest wage in the USA was $5 a day. Watch gangs of New York to get an Idea of what things were like when there were all of these "rights", as you would apparently call them were around.
My point about 50-80 is that debt:GDP was higher before that point and the same at that point(50's).. Manufacturing was leading the way just like now.
The fact that you think that China and India don't need the west gives me more confidence in what I'm talking about, that's for sure. If China and India dropped off we would see a period of readjustment, higher prices, smaller profits for big companies. If the West goes down. Everyone goes down. China will have no one to sell things to. India will have no one to provide phone support for. ECct, ect... Which is VERY clear by the crisis of '08.
For the record I never said that countries would use gold to buy things, just that the price of gold is too high.
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 17, 2011 11:31:53 GMT -5
You can try and twist my words, however there are very few posts on here and in almost all of them I talk about equality for all. A blending of sorts.How am I twisting your words? Certain folks get so emotional about investments. People bash the only honest, historical metric of govt. stability, gold, as if it's another human being who can respond to ad hominems. Yet they talk up markets that are completely manipulated by elite bankers with their printing presses. This is not speculation, dude. I observe posters for a time, and step in and call BS when it has gone too far adrift into the realm of irrationality and illogic. Look, equities are not going to collapse, given the current public sector insanity. In fact, they will rise IMHO. We are NOT going to see Dow 3000 or whatever, it's just not going to happen because there is ZERO confidence in DC. In order for stock markets to collapse in nominal terms, bonds (i.e. confidence in govt.) would have to be sound. But, objectively speaking and adjusted for inflation, there ARE better investments than the Dow, NASDAQ and S&P. Sheesh, mathematics doesn't lie.
While I agree that there are problems that need to be addressed. The way you talk about the west. The fact that you believe China and Russia when they talk about our economic systems, while they are adopting them; tells me, and others, on here something.I call the West out for its hypocrisy and I can back it up with data. If you want to challenge my position, then please prove your assertions correct with empirical evidence. All I've seen thus far is a claim about skyscrapers and some links that are much ado about nothing. Do not confuse my analysis of the West as emotional bashing. It's not. It's merely an obversation that, as Machiavelli once said, the passions of man remain a constant. The West is not doing anything different than any other group of people throughout human history. It's cyclical. Deal with the cancer and not the symptoms, please. Show me exactly how Western debt will not involve either de facto (repudiation via inflation) or de jure default. Show me that the West is interested in egalitarian markets by allowing creative destruction to work its magic. Etc.
Your right about one thing, the East has finally started to open up and adopt some form of human rights.Human rights have nothing to do with Market Talk. But their record over the last 20-25 years is a lot better than ours. Think about our prison population and foreign wars in the past couple decades and get back to me.
Only because they are forced to. The west has been destroying human rights for decades?? LOL, Rosa Parks was arrest in 1955 for riding in the wrong seat. I could go on, however, in 1914 the biggest wage in the USA was $5 a day. Watch gangs of New York to get an Idea of what things were like when there were all of these "rights", as you would apparently call them were around.What does this have to do with the markets? If you're so interested in equality, why do you support central banking and paper currencies? You do realize that economic freedom, or lack thereof, is directly tied to a sovereign's medium of exchange and its (mis)management, don't you?
My point about 50-80 is that debt:GDP was higher before that point and the same at that point(50's).. Manufacturing was leading the way just like now.We were the largest creditor nation in the history of the world, with the most gold reserves in human history (76%) and the largest industrial base ever seen. Now, we are the largest debtor nation in the history of the world. Including ALL producers (loggers, miners, etc.), we have ~18 million workers producing in this country. Manufacturing alone? 11.67 million. Do you know how many people are supporting all levels of govt. in this country??? 20.3 million. These are all verifiable data, from the BLS and via simple Google searches. So no, manufacturing is NOT pulling us out of anything. We have bled millions of jobs that aren't coming back. And the whacked environmentalists don't want us mining, so we continue to export that, too. (See the latest example in West Virginia.) Just the facts, please.
The fact that you think that China and India don't need the west gives me more confidence in what I'm talking about, that's for sure. If China and India dropped off we would see a period of readjustment, higher prices, smaller profits for big companies. If the West goes down. Everyone goes down. China will have no one to sell things to. India will have no one to provide phone support for. ECct, ect... Which is VERY clear by the crisis of '08.For now, yes, Chindia needs us. That is rapidly changing and you would do yourself a favor by acknowledging the trends in place. The crisis of '08 should have shown you that the West is completely uninterested in doing what is right.
For the record I never said that countries would use gold to buy things, just that the price of gold is too high.What several of you have said on these boards is so intellectually fallacious regarding gold that it isn't worth it to debunk it anymore. I have attempted to explain the Gold:Oil relationship dating back to Aramco. I have attempted to explain why the ECB's balance sheet has gold as its first asset, and why they mark it to market. I have attempted to explain gold's role in history as a hedge against govt. and monetary stability. When I say that gold is going to trade at $5,000+ in the next 5-10 years, it's not an emotional statement and the number itself is meaningless. Gold is the leading indicator of govt. instability. Gold trading at $5,000 means that the dollar has lost all or most of its confidence and has been debased. Nothing more, nothing less. Your argument that gold is "priced too high" is the same as saying the dollar is priced too low. Oh really? Have you looked at the CCI recently? How about QE2? Gold could pull back to the 1971-1980 trendline and still be in a bull market. The scary thing is that if it does pull back like that, then when it goes exponential, it will be a blowoff that will surprise even me. Read Martin Armstrong's analysis. www.martinarmstrong.org/files/Are%20You%20Ready%20to%20Rumble%2001-05-2011.pdf |
|
kman
Initiate Member
Joined: Oct 8, 2011 20:43:42 GMT -5
Posts: 83
|
Post by kman on Jan 17, 2011 11:45:30 GMT -5
 QE2?? Cruse ships make me nervous. I always bring my lucky cow bells with me. |
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 17, 2011 11:48:28 GMT -5
LOL ahh, cow bells...DW is so sick of that skit. ;D
|
|
bga4444
Established Member
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 17:33:41 GMT -5
Posts: 335
|
Post by bga4444 on Jan 17, 2011 11:57:22 GMT -5
Tunisia, for instance- one reason they are rioting, besides food and corruption, is many Tunisians have graduated from higher education and can find no jobs.
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 17, 2011 12:05:24 GMT -5
Yeah, it's funny how the MSM report things. I watched a CNBC clip where about halfway through, either the guest or moderator (I forget which) said that Tunisia has a stable govt. All I could do was laugh my ass off. The Tunisian President just fled Tunis FFS. Yet this channel and others are where people get their investment advice from. Good grief. Tunisian president flees protests |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 18, 2011 0:43:06 GMT -5
Luv those swiss cow bells kman!! tre0.. As far as you twisting my words. Aside from the fact that was a response to you saying: "You're the one in favor of the current Western mercantilism, not me." You are also now trying to say that I was the one bringing human rights up, when you brought them into the converstion.. . Since you have back peddled form that and are now saying the last 20-25 yrs. I'll make sure to send the Nobel peace prize winner of 2010, and his wife, and all the people that were arrested and have disappeared for promoting democracy in the last YEAR in China a note. Letting them know that you think that you would take there place because they have more freedoms than you do.(You know that China executes more people than anyone right? Oh ya I'll let the Tibetan people know that you think that they are nice people.) Manufacturing has expanded for a while now and.. U.S. Manufacturing Grows at Fastest Pace in Seven Months, Leading Recovery www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-03/u-s-manufacturing-expands-as-ism-index-climbs-to-57-matching-forecasts.html The great part about this is that I know now even more that I'm onto something because this is actually the topic of the thread... Thank you for telling me what the topic of the thread is about. Now you should do yourself a favor and acknowledge that fact that it's about blending(there it is again) There are a few examples above about more communist countries adopting Western capitalism. You acknowledged the fact that everybody has adopted western capitalism. Since people are being held accountable for the crime of '08, I believe that it shows it wasn't western capitalism but greed that was the cause of the crisis. That's why I think it will thrive still because the majority of people are good and we want whats best for each other. What's my point about skyscrapers? From 1873 to 2004 the worlds tallest buildings were in the western world. We have developed our cites, businesses and humans. The east didn't. The sheer amount of immigrating to the west should give you a clue about how good things are there, but you seem to think that it's the other way around. China 1989?!?! The east has been going overtime to get things to look more like well. It is here. Your right the Chinese can build fast. They have built so fast in the last 10 yrs that they have ghost cites. They have a nation of slaves that can't afford the property and they HAVE to raise wages. Again, the ONLY thing they have over the west is cheap labor. They are pushing to increase domestic demand and business(not communism). So all these communist countries are looking more and more like the west just with eastern names on the business. What's more American than starting a business with your name on it? My point with the Tunisia things is that this guy has been up there ruling with an iron fist since taking the country in a bloody war, in the 80's. Saying that the west is terrible ect ect. Now that things are worse people have said well, if we are going to have it bad like them. We want to be FREE like them... You want to know what human rights has to do with the markets? If a whole lot of slaves aren't given some freedom and money to buy property in ghost cites. The markets better look out!! The Chinese dream was recently described as the American dream. |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 18, 2011 0:53:34 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 18, 2011 10:49:33 GMT -5
LOL. What does the word "central" mean? |
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 18, 2011 11:16:20 GMT -5
tre0..
As far as you twisting my words. Aside from the fact that was a response to you saying: "You're the one in favor of the current Western mercantilism, not me." You are also now trying to say that I was the one bringing human rights up, when you brought them into the converstion..No, I didn't. You have opined on numerous occasions that you are in favor of central planning via the FED. That is 17th century, Western-style mercantilism. One cannot be in favor of human rights and also support the planning of an economy and its markets by a small group of elitists. They are mutually exclusive concepts.
Since you have back peddled form that and are now saying the last 20-25 yrs. I'll make sure to send the Nobel peace prize winner of 2010, and his wife, and all the people that were arrested and have disappeared for promoting democracy in the last YEAR in China a note. Letting them know that you think that you would take there place because they have more freedoms than you do.(You know that China executes more people than anyone right? Oh ya I'll let the Tibetan people know that you think that they are nice people.)Backpeddling...? I don't need to backpeddle to show you that the West looks more like pre-WW2 Germany and Italy than it does 1790 America. You made a sweeping generalization that can best be summarized as "Western human rights uber alles." I gave you an example of how grossly inaccurate that philosophy is. But I can see I am not going to get anywhere, if you think the Nobel Peace Prize means anything. Remind me again whether Obama has launched more drones or less in Pakistan and Afghanistan? Remind me again if we've closed down any useless bases overseas? Remind me again who is stirring the pot in the South China Sea? Remind me again who committed more troops to Afghanistan? This is truly Orwellian, to even be having this debate, which isn't relevant to MT BTW. War is NOT Peace, aham, no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig. The Nobel Peace Prize was also awarded to Woodrow Wilson...a guy who used innocents on a passenger liner as an excuse to get us into a European war, WW1. It is meaningless. Please answer these questions. Who has the largest prison population in the world? Who exports unconstitutional activities such as warrantless wiretapping overseas, so as to skirt the rule of law? Who subjects its citizens to groping and backscatters? Whose govt. manufactures digital WMDs like Stuxnet, then uses it as a pretense to give an Internet kill switch to the same govt. which manufactured it? If you completely divest yourself of an emotional response, how can you argue that we are not rapidly approaching totalitarianism? James Madison said it best: Republics crumble from within and oftentimes devolve into despotism. I cited direct numbers from the BLS for you. I don't need a Wall Street index to tell me that we have more people employed by all levels of govt. in this country than in manufacturing by almost 2:1, and that number has continued to decline for at least a decade. It is not sustainable. Please, do yourself a favor and at least cite links outside of NY-based outlets.
The great part about this is that I know now even more that I'm onto something because this is actually the topic of the thread...LOL OK man. I am not going to try and convince you to look at things objectively anymore. Until you completely extricate yourself from the American MSM, you are doing yourself a great disservice IMHO. Even in the former USSR, the citizens knew Pravda was bunk.
Thank you for telling me what the topic of the thread is about. Now you should do yourself a favor and acknowledge that fact that it's about blending(there it is again) There are a few examples above about more communist countries adopting Western capitalism. You acknowledged the fact that everybody has adopted western capitalism. Since people are being held accountable for the crime of '08, I believe that it shows it wasn't western capitalism but greed that was the cause of the crisis. That's why I think it will thrive still because the majority of people are good and we want whats best for each other.Maybe it's just the fact that my life experiences have led me to see the nasty side of human nature, I don't know. But the world is not kumbaya, aham. You're living in a completely different ideal than what the world really is. China plays Chess. We play Checkers. Don't think for one minute that they aren't calling the shots and gradually moving away from us. And please pray tell give me one example of the ringleaders of the Crime of 2008 (as you call it) being prosecuted. Are Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, Tim Geithner, Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein (just a few examples of the ringleaders of this mess) in prison? No. Will they ever be? No. Prosecuting Bernie Madoff is akin to throwing bread crumbs to the mob. Have you noticed that every single time the banks get called out on their fraud, the prosecutors settle for fines? There will be no justice for the true criminals.
What's my point about skyscrapers? From 1873 to 2004 the worlds tallest buildings were in the western world. We have developed our cites, businesses and humans. The east didn't. The sheer amount of immigrating to the west should give you a clue about how good things are there, but you seem to think that it's the other way around. China 1989?!?!Who is immigrating to the West? Europe will be majority Muslim by 2050. America is bringing in third worlders from Latin America. The talent is at best coming here to be educated and moving back home. You don't have to believe me. In fact, please don't. Go to the OECD's website and look at how much we have declined in math, reading, and science, and how much the Chinese have improved...then come and tell me that there is this "sheer amount" of talent immigrating here. As for skyscrapers, it is so irrelevant to the topic at hand that there's no point in addressing it beyond what I did above, which you chose to ignore.
The east has been going overtime to get things to look more like well. It is here. Your right the Chinese can build fast. They have built so fast in the last 10 yrs that they have ghost cites. They have a nation of slaves that can't afford the property and they HAVE to raise wages. Again, the ONLY thing they have over the west is cheap labor. They are pushing to increase domestic demand and business(not communism).
So all these communist countries are looking more and more like the west just with eastern names on the business. What's more American than starting a business with your name on it?No, aham, they have a rule of law. We don't. They are indeed looking more like the West, but the West of old, while we look more like the East of old. Such as when the Founders would have executed business leaders for cutting costs and risking the lives of children with tainted milk. Or when bankers created derivatives and deliberately debased our currency. See, in the West these days, we bail them out. But the East knows that in order to attract capital, you have to have a rule of law that punishes those at the top who do grossly immoral things. I'll tell you what though. Remember this thread, and we can revisit it in a few years. I will do the same with you on this thread that I did with the guys on YM regarding the housing bubble.
My point with the Tunisia things is that this guy has been up there ruling with an iron fist since taking the country in a bloody war, in the 80's. Saying that the west is terrible ect ect. Now that things are worse people have said well, if we are going to have it bad like them. We want to be FREE like them... You want to know what human rights has to do with the markets? If a whole lot of slaves aren't given some freedom and money to buy property in ghost cites. The markets better look out!!Again, you miss the points I am making here. One, American MSM are as believable and reliable as the old Soviet Pravda. CNBC's remarks on Tunisia are perfect examples. Two, I am not lambasting the West out of emotion. I am presenting to you the facts that human nature and passions of man are constants. The West is not immune to the laws of nature or economics, ergo, the West is declining just like any other great civilization which loses its way. It is the cyclicality of things. Now, you can continue to believe that your vision of the West can continue forever and ever, or that at least it couldn't end on your watch. But then I could point you to every single Empire in the history of the world, and show that they have all collapsed. Do you think Americans are above the human species, and will act any differently?
The Chinese dream was recently described as the American dream.Yes, the American dream of 150 years ago, because THAT is what they're modeling. Not the crony capitalism that you turn a blind eye to! Why do you think Premier Wen carries around a copy of Theory in his briefcase? How many Streeters even know the book to which I refer? |
|
|
|
Post by traelin0 on Jan 18, 2011 11:19:10 GMT -5
The financial world has to be crazy to trust anything about the financial or business system in China. They execute the creators of derivatives. We bail them out and give them positions in govt. I know who I trust and international capital flows don't lie. IMHO this entire debate revolves around the previous generation being scared to death that they didn't save enough in their peak earning years, and can't imagine a world without America as #1. They should be scared. However, they should also be realistic and quit covering up the evidence right in front of their faces. |
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 20, 2011 0:56:02 GMT -5
I read your responses last night with a buddy tre0, and we laughed and laughed. Not only are you blatantly lying about things now, your talking to a 28 yr old that has been thanked many times by this friend I was sharing this with. Thanked for not letting him fall completely under the socialist spell that has a grip on the province where I live. For 30 yrs Sask has lost people to places in Canada that supported a more capital base. As recent as 2003 we were all talking about the death of Saskatchewan. I said all it will be is the death of socialism in this province. In 2004 the Socialist NDP party started taking a capitalist approach, pretending that they were "sticking to their roots". In 2007 we elected a pro business party. The business community that stayed and worked here seen this a victory and cheered at our perseverance. We are supposed to lead the country in growth in 2011. So even thought you keep saying that I believe that the west will continue on as is, that is not true, AT ALL. I think that socialism just like in my province, has failed epically. This time across the board. Austerity will be the name of the game. Canada went through it in the '90's. However, even you admit that communist countries are adopting capitalist systems. Which again is the point of the thread.. Blending(there it is again). We used the strategy of economics and getting their people on our side. Our way of life will continue because it's not just about the USA, that's the biggest thing your missing. Enjoy your game of checkers. I will be playing chess with the big boys. btw This was the best Your right, next time I take my wife shopping in China Town in Calgary, I'll tell her we can't go and eat at her favorite East India restaurant because there are no immigrants in NA. Your right, we aren't still paying for the mistakes of how the aboriginals were treated by immigrants of this country 150+ yrs ago. Why are there so many people in our jails?? Charlie Manson has been in prison for 60 yrs. It's easy to keep em empty when you just kill anyone that goes against the authority. More people catching on.. China's tentative steps towards democracy www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/jan/19/china-barack-obamaUnlocking the Potential of U.S.-China Economic Cooperation www.aolnews.com/2011/01/18/opinion-unlocking-the-potential-of-us-china-economic-cooperatio/ So as the middle class gets richer and has higher wages. Jobs come home and they also need some more of this! U.S. Seals Energy Deals as Hu Arrives for Visit online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704678004576090383682764942.html U.S. Shifts Focus to Press China for Access to Markets www.post-gazette.com/pg/11019/1118995-82.stm?cmpid=news.xml#ixzz1BYH2OuW8 |
|
tyfighter3
Well-Known Member
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 13:01:17 GMT -5
Posts: 1,806
|
Post by tyfighter3 on Jan 20, 2011 1:59:29 GMT -5
AHB, i agree with your theory about Capitalism and I also think the World will become more Democratic. It wont happen within the next 10 years but the next 50, maybe. In that time Span We in NA can not Allow the Emerging Market Countries to rape us of our TEC, Resources, and our lively hoods to let them come up to us while we go down to them. We had the edge and we need to keep it so they don't think they can TAKE it away from us. Remember how this Country was started, a Democracy with Capitalism in mind and we took the Americas away from the Natives because of it and quite ruthlessly too because of one thing. WE had better weapons and tec than they did. Did we have Human Rights then? We have to make sure that we don't go by the way of the Roman Empire did and we have to stay away from that kind of mindset. JMO
|
|
Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger
Senior Associate
Viva La Revolucion!
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:22:04 GMT -5
Posts: 12,758
|
Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Jan 22, 2011 2:33:45 GMT -5
The way I see it Ty is that we won't go down, just more people will be raised up. The biggest reasons that our way of life won't be like Rome, is because the Roman republic wasn't really free. The Roman empire was an empire. The Americas are an idea. Our way of life has changed so many times during the west's capitalistic adventure that you can't say its that same as it was when we started at all. You said it, and IMO, if the early immigrants would have done today what they did back then, they would stand trial at the Hague. The fact is that our way of life didn't truly start until December 10, 1948. The General Assembly of the United Nations adopted and proclaimed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights( www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml ) It was the Americas free speech and journalism and some leaders in the 60's and 70's that really got the ball rolling. Here is a good entry with 136 sources to back up the fact it's the second coming of earths sons and daughters... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights When people talk about people ruling the world I always laugh and think about No.2's quote from Austin Powers; when everything is falling apart and he is super pissed at Dr. Evil for destroying the multi billion dollar multinational that he has started...."I spent the last 30 years of my life turning this two-bit evil empire into a world class multi-national. I was going to have a cover story with Forbes. But you, like an idiot, want to take over the world. And you don't even realize that there is no world anymore! It's only corporations!" Corporations NEED consumers!! I was saying a while back that I don't see a trade war, but an innovation war to deal with all of these free people. Seems that was dead on as well.. 5 New Paradigms for a Socially Engaged Company: mashable.com/2011/01/13/socially-engaged-company/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29 Now that we have establish that we are all intertwined it's time to realize that China has waaay more to work on and is a lot more fragile than the commie propaganda machine wants to let on.. China’s 10.3 percent economic growth last year drove the biggest increase in the nation’s rural incomes in a quarter century, bolstering efforts to spur consumption in the world’s most populous nation: www.daylife.com/article/08gL2xb5cfdG9Hu Says Strong China-U.S. Ties Are Needed as World has `Tortuous' Recovery: www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-20/hu-says-he-is-fully-confident-about-future-of-u-s-china-relationship.htmlChina, US sign big deals on clean energy co-op: asia.world247.net/china-news/china-us-sign-big-deals-on-clean-energy-co-op/ Above all else this is what I comes down to, the pursuit of... The world's happiest countries: www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/20/f-forbes-happy-countries.html |
|
|
|
Post by vl on Jan 22, 2011 7:50:52 GMT -5
Reading between the lines... Obama's comments made yesterday regarding JOB CREATION refers to "ramping up so we can export to where the customers are". Two considerations... it should occur to most that eggheads considered Finance, Law & other paper-pushing roles as "exports." That's why most major Law Firms & Banks have branches in China right now. It should also occur to each of us that the "customers" are not overseas and those that actually do exist outside the USA, buy through E-Bay first and foremost.
Mr. President plans an interactive "talk" on the 25th. Flat out... if he isn't taxing the HELL out of degree'd pariah taking salaries out of our cash-less society and offering CASH incentives for us tangible productivity folks to revive local commerce at the expense of BIG... it's just a talk. The bottom line is-- no more Wal-Mart, no more Law Biz, no more "national" Banks and absolutely NO human job replacement by routine automation technology. Also... let's get communicating by mouth again and eliminate collusion via Twitter, Blackberry, Facebook and Intranet.
|
|
