Does God exist ?

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Nov 7, 2011 13:11:16 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Perhaps the Old Testament god is the correct one, because only a cruel and ruthless deity

Take one glance at nature, living things eat other living things to survive and reproduce, life is built around one main principle " Thou shalt kill ".

How is it possible that a creator, so full of love, created a world and a nature where animals can live only by killing other animals that have to endure terrible pain and suffering ?
If men kill each other, it is sin- they need not. But, animals cannot live without killing the other animals for food.

[weltschmerz]

If men kill each other, it is sin- they need not. But, animals cannot live without killing the other animals for food.
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All killing should be done for food. If we had to eat what we kill, there would be no more war.

[Deleted]

Good point.
There would be far less eating of meat me thinks.....hired assasins have no conscience.

[Shirina]

Perhaps the Old Testament god is the correct one, because only a cruel and ruthless deity would have you experience a love like that and then snatch it away so soon.

When I was around 15 or 16, I flirted with Christianity a bit. I wasn't a church-goer, didn't read the Bible much, but I did pray even if I hadn't been sold on the idea yet.

But when VK died, I began a very rapid conversion to atheism/agnosticism. One of the reasons for it is because atheism made it easier to accept VK's loss. If there really was a God, then there was someone to blame (other than the terrorists, of course). I had no desire to believe that God would allow this to happen ... as you said, to grant me such a connection with VK only to have it snatched away. Why?

Well, without God, I didn't have to ask why. I could just accept the fact that VK and his family were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens. Just bad luck. No amount of "God works in mysterious ways," or "VK is in a better place now," or "This is part of a greater good" nonsense was going to console me. Not to mention the fact that VK wasn't Christian, he was Hindu (though not a practicing one). According to Christian beliefs, VK is stoking the fires of Hell, not lounging around in paradise ... so comforting words from Christians tasted like ashes in my mouth.

VK's death was what made me begin to question the validity of God, and the more I did so, the less sense it all made.

[Shirina]

and more time hunting and gathering.

Even more time? No ... I spend enough time "hunting and gathering" things like my misplaced car keys, the TV remote, a pen that actually works, and a good parking spot at the grocery store.

[Tosh]

If men kill each other, it is sin- they need not. But, animals cannot live without killing the other animals for food.
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All killing should be done for food. If we had to eat what we kill, there would be no more war.

Humans kill over resources, food being just one of our needs,

[femmefatale]

Like your avatar Shirina. Just wanted to say hello to ya.

[jemima]

Religion to me seems to be built on the false premise that it is true because it says it is true,

Very much like politics then.

[Tosh]

Religion to me seems to be built on the false premise that it is true because it says it is true,



Very much like politics then.

Nobody with a functioning brain has any faith in politics, another medium for deceit and false promises.

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Nov 7, 2011 18:39:59 GMT -5 Tosh said:

Religion to me seems to be built on the false premise that it is true because it says it is true,



Very much like politics then.

Nobody with a functioning brain has any faith in politics, another medium for deceit and false promises.

Apparently people want to have faith in something...anything.

[roygrip]

Ho hum

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roy, you should stop that, you're gonna hurt yourself.

[Shirina]

Like your avatar Shirina. Just wanted to say hello to ya.

LOL! Thanks. I wanted a "meow" with some attitude. Hello to you back!

[jemima]

Quote:
Religion to me seems to be built on the false premise that it is true because it says it is true,



Very much like politics then.



Nobody with a functioning brain has any faith in politics, another medium for deceit and false promises.

I disagree with you here, mate. You're either a left winger or a right one and even so most people have faith and trust in politics...even if not in God. Politics and Religion are quite interlinked, no?

[Deleted]

According to the First Amendment they shouldn't be.

[roygrip]

Nov 7, 2011 21:02:58 GMT -5 @joey said:

roy, you should stop that, you're gonna hurt yourself.

[roygrip]

Good morning Tosh. Still keepin' everyone on their toes ;D

[Tosh]

Good afternoon to my mate Jemima and to Roy.....of course.

Religion to me seems to be built on the false premise that it is true because it says it is true.

Very much like politics then.

Nobody with a functioning brain has any faith in politics, another medium for deceit and false promises.

I disagree with you here, mate. You're either a left winger or a right one and even so most people have faith and trust in politics...even if not in God. Politics and Religion are quite interlinked, no?

You are hardly disagreeing with me if you agree with me, I never stated nobody has faith in politics, I believe I clearly stated nobody with a functioning brain has faith in politics. Regardless of ones political affiliations the evidence is clear, politics is powerless against the global free market and the unelected shareholders who control it.

Politicians like our religious leaders are indeed interlinked, they both pretend they have power and both make promises they do not possess the power to keep, they believe this pretense is necessary in order to preserve law and order. Both institutions are convinced the general masses can not handle the truth, and who am I to disagree with them.

Thank you for your valued contribution, dear.

[femmefatale]

I see what has happened .....Apparently Roy gets under your skin bad enough so you bring it to the God Loving thread. Not my problem Tosh!

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[Tosh]

I see what has happened .....Apparently Roy gets under your skin bad enough so you bring it to the God Loving thread. Not my problem Tosh!

Roy and I are good friends, we respect each others viewpoints and differences, you are mistaken my dear.

Vile human beings like Joyce and Joel get under my skin, they are frauds, this is the one and only reason why I have visited your board on 2 occasions.

[femmefatale]

I really have nothing more to say to you Tosh. Now you have a great day.

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lol


Is that a goodbye or a non goodbye or a just for now goodbye ff?

[mmhmm]

I see you're over here stirring, femme. Am I to take that as your answer to the problem that's arisen? If so, there are a few others who have a right to weigh in before a decision is made.

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[mmhmm]

Sorry, Joey. If you haven't been reading the "God Lovers" thread, you wouldn't be aware of the ongoing discussion. I'm right at the edge of locking both these threads if the pot-stirring and fighting doesn't stop. If I have to do that, there will be no more religiously-based threads tolerated. We've been here before, and we let these go with the caveat that if trouble was the result, the threads would be removed.

mmhmm, P&M Moderator

[Deleted]

Its a shame that people take any opposition to their view as somehow threatening.

Chill peeps.

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[Deleted]

Well....it was a nice discussion while it lasted. Nice meeting everyone and I hope to see you around the boards.

[Deleted]

I thought we did okay for a while there.

In all honesty I do worry about people that don't ask ENOUGH QUESTIONS.
I teach my children not to follow blindly ----anything or anyone.
If you have nothing to hide, you have no fear of questions.