Barack O'Bully Wants to End Israel

[marshabar1]

Obama just demanded that seven million Jews in Israel abandon their homes to live inside the cease-fire lines of their War of Independence. Those cease-fire lines are not borders, and were never meant to be borders. They are so weirdly drawn that Israel becomes nine miles wide at the waist. For Israel to withdraw to those lines is to "commit suicide" as a nation, as Newt Gingrich has just said. Gingrich is right. This is what radical Islamists keep shouting about, in one, vast industrialized stream of oil-fueled hate propaganda.



And now, ten years after 9/11/01, Obama has joined them.

I don't think Americans really understand that yet. It's obvious that many American Jews don't understand it either. There's a kind of culture shock when radicals express their real beliefs. Nobody wants to believe it.



I can't read minds, and I don't know if Obama has a visceral hatred for Israel. It's not even the right question to ask. The real, practical question is whether Obama is trying to sabotage and ultimately destroy that country. It's "practical racism" that's the issue.

The Left is always trying to draw an imaginary line between Israel hatred and Jew hatred. But it's a distinction without a difference. It's like saying that you love Americans -- but the country named "America" has to be destroyed.



Barack Hussein Obama is therefore a practical racist -- he can proclaim all the lovely sentiments he wants to, finely tuned to whichever audience he wants to sucker, but his stated, practical goal is to shrink Israel into the tiniest and least defensible borders possible. It's like telling America to go back to the original thirteen colonies.


www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/barack_obully_wants_to_end_israel.html

[NoMoreLunacy]

The Left is always trying to draw an imaginary line between Israel hatred and Jew hatred. But it's a distinction without a difference. It's like saying that you love Americans -- but the country named "America" has to be destroyed.

Actually it's more like I love America, I love Americans, but racists in America who kill minorities for fun has to be destroyed. How long has Israel been killing civilians with impunity, using US made weapons bought with US foreign aid?

[lakhota]

What exactly makes Israel any better or more special than other Middle Eastern countries - or any country for that matter?

[handyman2]

Lakhota: For many years Israel was considered the only country that practiced any form of democracy and down through all presidents since WW-2 they have committed to the protection of that country. It has been an inherent policy ever since.
True it has been a expensive, sometimes rocky relationship but a long ago commitment that many are not willing to let go.

[marshabar1]

What exactly makes Native Americans any better or more special than other Americans or any people for that matter?

[deziloooooo]

Jun 16, 2011 20:19:39 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Obama just demanded that seven million Jews in Israel abandon their homes to live inside the cease-fire lines of their War of Independence. Those cease-fire lines are not borders, and were never meant to be borders. They are so weirdly drawn that Israel becomes nine miles wide at the waist. For Israel to withdraw to those lines is to "commit suicide" as a nation, as Newt Gingrich has just said. Gingrich is right. This is what radical Islamists keep shouting about, in one, vast industrialized stream of oil-fueled hate propaganda.



And now, ten years after 9/11/01, Obama has joined them.

I don't think Americans really understand that yet. It's obvious that many American Jews don't understand it either. There's a kind of culture shock when radicals express their real beliefs. Nobody wants to believe it.



I can't read minds, and I don't know if Obama has a visceral hatred for Israel. It's not even the right question to ask. The real, practical question is whether Obama is trying to sabotage and ultimately destroy that country. It's "practical racism" that's the issue.

The Left is always trying to draw an imaginary line between Israel hatred and Jew hatred. But it's a distinction without a difference. It's like saying that you love Americans -- but the country named "America" has to be destroyed.



Barack Hussein Obama is therefore a practical racist -- he can proclaim all the lovely sentiments he wants to, finely tuned to whichever audience he wants to sucker, but his stated, practical goal is to shrink Israel into the tiniest and least defensible borders possible. It's like telling America to go back to the original thirteen colonies.


www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/barack_obully_wants_to_end_israel.html

Interesting post Marsha..however, regading the West bank..

"There are over 350,000 Israeli settlers living in the West Bank, as well as around 210,000 living in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.

so as far as 7 million being forced to move??

This was 2007 stats so there are probably some more now but the apartments in East Jeruselum will most likely remain Israeli..and they will have to negotiate the rest if they get to that point..

Regarding those talks,

I am sure that Natanjahu and company will look out for the Israelis side as far as defensible positions..

I am sure what they, Israeli's , would love to see happen, is all the High Ground on the West bank populated by permanent concrete settlements / towns populated by Israeli's looking down on the Palastinian towns and settlements..think medieval days..castles high, towns , below, plus most Arab areas surrounded, as now, ringed by Israeli settlements that would break up any continuouse Palastinian areas joining up, better to have to go through Israeli road blocks to get from A to b at the will of the ones manning the road blocks..

Also , as now, special roads where only Israelis could drive on even though the roads to get from A to B for the Palastinians would have to circle, switch back , take twice as long in time and length then a straight road to A from B, ...and from that given to the Palastinians , they , the Palastinians, would make their State a viable one..oops , also a Israeli military presence with Armor situated on the River Jordan too. ;D

[Deleted]

What exactly makes Israel any better or more special than other Middle Eastern countries - or any country for that matter?

Oddly enough, it's because Israel almost never starts the trouble but they generally finish it. If they are responding to an attack I see no reason not to let them keep the land they take in that war. Of course they could just line up a million of the attacking nation & shoot them or heap huge war debts on them but if they want the land, that's ok with me. The only problem with it seems to be that sooner or later Israel would then own the entire middle east.

[Virgil Showlion]

What exactly makes Israel any better or more special than other Middle Eastern countries - or any country for that matter?

They are the only middle eastern country that would prefer not to see the US reduced to a bloody stain on the map, you realize?

[lakhota]

Jun 16, 2011 20:52:03 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

What exactly makes Native Americans any better or more special than other Americans or any people for that matter?

You really think that's a reasonable comparison?

[vonnie6200]

Jun 16, 2011 21:00:31 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Jun 16, 2011 20:52:03 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

What exactly makes Native Americans any better or more special than other Americans or any people for that matter?

You really think that's a reasonable comparison?

Why wouldn't it be?

[chiver78]

Jun 16, 2011 20:52:03 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

What exactly makes Native Americans any better or more special than other Americans or any people for that matter?

this was their land, before someone else came in and told them otherwise....someone else that wouldn't have survived their first winter here without the help of the Native Americans in the first place.

[chiver78]

Jun 16, 2011 20:24:22 GMT -5 NoMoreLunacy said:

The Left is always trying to draw an imaginary line between Israel hatred and Jew hatred. But it's a distinction without a difference. It's like saying that you love Americans -- but the country named "America" has to be destroyed.

Actually it's more like I love America, I love Americans, but racists in America who kill minorities for fun has to be destroyed. How long has Israel been killing civilians with impunity, using US made weapons bought with US foreign aid?

[marshabar1]

Jun 16, 2011 21:00:31 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

Jun 16, 2011 20:52:03 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

What exactly makes Native Americans any better or more special than other Americans or any people for that matter?

You really think that's a reasonable comparison?

I certainly do. The Jews have been chased from their land, murdered and abused in countries not their own, used and abused by nation after nation, hounded to the ends of the earth.

YOU of all people have no compassion for these people? You hold the moral high ground?

My people fought "Native Americans" almost continuously for over three hundred years just trying to grow some crops, raise some animals and feed their children in a savage land where they fled to avoid being killed for their religion. I'm a bad guy too no doubt. Lousy Spaniards. Lousy Jews. Nobel Native Americans. Enslaving each others wives and children generation after generation since time began. Inventing new ways to make death more interesting. Doing things that curdled the blood of the fearful immigrants who met them.

This is from books written at the time. Not the rewritten BS that passes off as fact in this day.

You think you are superior, Lakhota. Well none of us are superior. And the story doesn't have a beginning and an end. We're here in the soup together and we do the best we can. Jews included.

[NoMoreLunacy]

Israel is a democratic country? So when are they going to allow the Palestinians in the occupied territories to vote in Israeli elections?

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 16, 2011 21:00:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

What exactly makes Israel any better or more special than other Middle Eastern countries - or any country for that matter?

They are the only middle eastern country that would prefer not to see the US reduced to a bloody stain on the map, you realize?

So?

[marshabar1]

Virgil and Moon, thanks again for ignore feature. Nice. . . ;D

[cereb]

Jun 16, 2011 21:12:34 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Jun 16, 2011 21:00:31 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

You really think that's a reasonable comparison?

I certainly do. The Jews have been chased from their land, murdered and abused in countries not their own, used and abused by nation after nation, hounded to the ends of the earth.

YOU of all people have no compassion for these people? You hold the moral high ground?





My people fought "Native Americans" almost continuously for over three hundred years just trying to grow some crops, raise some animals and feed their children in a savage land where they fled to avoid being killed for their religion. I'm a bad guy too no doubt. Lousy Spaniards. Lousy Jews. Nobel Native Americans. Enslaving each others wives and children generation after generation since time began. Inventing new ways to make death more interesting. Doing things that curdled the blood of the fearful immigrants who met them.

This is from books written at the time. Not the rewritten BS that passes off as fact in this day.

You think you are superior, Lakhota. Well none of us are superior. And the story doesn't have a beginning and an end. We're here in the soup together and we do the best we can. Jews included.

Pump your brakes.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 16, 2011 21:00:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

What exactly makes Israel any better or more special than other Middle Eastern countries - or any country for that matter?

They are the only middle eastern country that would prefer not to see the US reduced to a bloody stain on the map, you realize?

They are and they are a ally with clout that isn't asking us for troops to fight for them..and when we need help, they are there for us..that they can also be a Pain in the arse at times..well we have our agenda, they do have theirs...so yes..but so was and is France, and we go back a long way..and since WW...can't really count on them all the time..their right , they too have their agenda..

The reality is, those old allies of ours, think Europe, they really don't have it any more, strength, will , financially..even UK, the Brits..so to find and have a Allie with balls and strength, you don't blow that away so fast and the next century , the way things look, we just may need allies with some balls. Israel has those most definitely

[Virgil Showlion]

No peaceable compromise will ever be achieved in the middle east. None of the nations bordering Israel have the slightest interest in pushing Israel's borders 'just to here' and then settling into peaceful coexistence. If such an interest existed, I might be inclined to side with Pres. Obama on the issue.

As it stands, Israel is bordered by hostile enemies, the "international community" does not have the credibility or the skill to act as a neutral intermediary if they want to involve themselves in the dispute (each party must choose a side), and Israel's system of laws and values is (arguably) closer to the US's than her enemies'.

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 16, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

No peaceable compromise will ever be achieved in the middle east. None of the nations bordering Israel have the slightest interest in pushing Israel's borders 'just to here' and then settling into peaceful coexistence. If such an interest existed, I might be inclined to side with Pres. Obama on the issue.

As it stands, Israel is bordered by hostile enemies, the "international community" does not have the credibility or the skill to act as a neutral intermediary if they want to involve themselves in the dispute (each party must choose a side), and Israel's system of laws and values is (arguably) closer to the US's than her enemies'.

So?

[chiver78]

Jun 16, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

No peaceable compromise will ever be achieved in the middle east. None of the nations bordering Israel have the slightest interest in pushing Israel's borders 'just to here' and then settling into peaceful coexistence. If such an interest existed, I might be inclined to side with Pres. Obama on the issue.

As it stands, Israel is bordered by hostile enemies, the "international community" does not have the credibility or the skill to act as a neutral intermediary if they want to involve themselves in the dispute (each party must choose a side), and Israel's system of laws and values is (arguably) closer to the US's than her enemies'.

it's not just the current administration, Virgil. it's a "pet project" - for lack of a better term - for the US, regardless of political control of the White House.

[Virgil Showlion]

So?

Your country is waging war against three separate nations in the middle east at the cost of hundreds of billions per year.

The wars are nigh unwinnable and financially irresponsible to say the least, but if the US administration is determined to fight them, maintaining a strong alliance with Israel is a rather prudent course of action, wouldn't you say?

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 16, 2011 21:50:26 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

So?

Your country is waging war against three separate nations in the middle east at the cost of hundreds of billions per year.

The wars are nigh unwinnable and financially irresponsible to say the least, but if the US administration is determined to fight them, maintaining a strong alliance with Israel is a rather prudent course of action, wouldn't you say?

No. The prudent course of action is to stop fighting in the ME, and denounce Israel's apartheid regime. Principles count for something.

[deziloooooo]

Jun 16, 2011 21:40:15 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

No peaceable compromise will ever be achieved in the middle east. None of the nations bordering Israel have the slightest interest in pushing Israel's borders 'just to here' and then settling into peaceful coexistence. If such an interest existed, I might be inclined to side with Pres. Obama on the issue.

As it stands, Israel is bordered by hostile enemies, the "international community" does not have the credibility or the skill to act as a neutral intermediary if they want to involve themselves in the dispute (each party must choose a side), and Israel's system of laws and values is (arguably) closer to the US's than her enemies'.

I never said or intimated one isn't always aware of your situation, have the sledge hammer at your side at all times.

IF they could come to a agreement and while not in love with it..able to live with it..then , in the Palestinians end of it, it is their responsibility to control, force able those with in their society who take it upon them selves to go against the signed agreement, the Peace. If they do not, then Israel as all nations do, has the right to defend itself in any way they feel necessary.
If the Government , Palestinian , is doing all they can to enforce the treaty but are being over powered , Israel is there to help them. If they are not active in the protection of the treaty then they become the enemy , and again Israel has the right to defend itself and protect their people.

As far as other nations surrounding them, lets look at them.
Lebanon, new government, Hezballah is in very important parts of that government..in fact majority in leadership positiion..they are going to start up with Israel.

Syria..they now have their own problems and i don't see them as a threat.

Jordan..not likely.

Egypt..do you think the Egyptian Military wants to lose the aid and training, plus spare parts for all those Jets and other weapons we are supplying?
Do You think they are interested in starting up with Israel militarily and do you think they would try to foment a mass uprising against the State, circa, the past .

They may still hate the Israeli's guts..though I can see possible some type of rapprochement say Israel / Saudis, once the Palestinian problem is solved, not in love but against their common foe..Iran..

I can see bushiness between Israel and some of the Arab stares, don't have to love each other though if Business is involved, profits..some how that mitigates a lot of animosity, there is that know , West Bank, Israeli's private business man, Egypt too..

I am trying to be adult her in my posting with you..no emotions..just the way I think it could/might play out..the emotions I will leave to say ed, marsha..some of the others,..I am just saying ..suppose..

You say never..I say never...can be a maybe.

[lakhota]

I never hear any Israeli supporters voicing any consideration that Arabs may have some legitimate historical and current grievances about Israel being plopped in their midst.

[NoMoreLunacy]

Jun 16, 2011 22:05:43 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

I never hear any Israeli supporters voicing any consideration that Arabs may have some legitimate historical and current grievances about Israel being plopped in their midst.

What grievances? Didn't god want it that way?

[Virgil Showlion]

No. The prudent course of action is to stop fighting in the ME, and denounce Israel's apartheid regime.

Stop fighting, I can agree with--purely from an economic standpoint.

As for "denounc[ing] Israel's apartheid regime", your intent is to hurt the Israelis' feelings?

News flash: when you are being bombed and you hate your enemies' guts, you really couldn't give less of a toot what some sanctimonious non-stakeholder on the other side of the planet "denounces".

I never hear any Israeli supporters voicing any consideration that Arabs may have some legitimate historical and current grievances about Israel being plopped in their midst.

Perhaps Israel should embrace the historically most effective approach: extirpate any non-Israeli within 50 miles of their borders and the full population of any nation that takes hostile action against them, and let historians debate whether it was the "right thing to do" for the next three centuries.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Jun 16, 2011 22:05:43 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

I never hear any Israeli supporters voicing any consideration that Arabs may have some legitimate historical and current grievances about Israel being plopped in their midst.

...fwiw, I do give their complaints due consideration...

[marshabar1]

Jun 16, 2011 22:05:43 GMT -5 @lakhota said:

I never hear any Israeli supporters voicing any consideration that Arabs may have some legitimate historical and current grievances about Israel being plopped in their midst.

Israel has taken it all into consideration and Arabs living in Israel have better lives than anywhere else in the Middle East. At least regular Arabs. Everywhere else the most evil and violent Arabs live VERY HIGH ON THE HOG INDEED.

Most Muslims who actually live in Israel are very happy to have Israel exist in the world.

Israel would make peace if the thugs who rule the middle east wanted peace. Palestinians are cat's paws for the evil thugs who want nothing but death. They don't care how many children die. That is because they are evil. There is no compromise with evil. That's because evil is a liar.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< News flash: when you are being bombed and you hate your enemies' guts, you really couldn't give less of a toot what some sanctimonious non-stakeholder on the other side of the planet "denounces". >>>

...true dat...