Islamophobia: Who's Afraid of Sharia Law? Why?

[handyman2]

Dezi your argument lacks the point that Islam is a religious law and a political law combined and they do not seperate the two and they have no intention of doing so. If they did it would invalidate the whole Sharia law according to their beliefs.

[pappyjohn99]

>>trying to interpret the true meanings and apply to the modern world.<<


You're on a roll today Dezi. Thinking that muslim imams are interested in a modern world.

They jut want to drag the rest of back to the 6th century and slaughter anyone that doesn't care to join them.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 10:56:17 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Dezi your argument lacks the point that Islam is a religious law and a political law combined and they do not seperate the two and they have no intention of doing so. If they did it would invalidate the whole Sharia law according to their beliefs.

Not true, they also have laws against fraud, stealing, divorce, hit and run drivers, all the thins that happen in a society, where eve that society is, and while there are drastic penalty's for some, in most enlightened areas of their society they are not enforced and in the places where they are, usually the authority's try to mitigate and bring to justice those who perpetrate those abominations{in our minds anyway}, possible still in some areas , a work in progress, but here we are talking about their laws here in the States not in some far away place.

Actually some of these penalties, execution by beheading, it wasn't so long ago France was a willing country to that procedure, used a machine, the Saud's do it by sword.
We do it by poison, the Chinese by a bullet to the base of the head, different strokes for different folks.

The uprising here is because of the populace feelings of Muslimitis, [Islamophobia] to degenerate a whole people because of the actions of a few. That is the fact and the truth of it and it is stupid and ignorant and to not say so and mention it , just stay silent, that to would be stupid and ignorant.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 11:05:34 GMT -5 pappyjohn99 said:

>>trying to interpret the true meanings and apply to the modern world.<<


You're on a roll today Dezi. Thinking that muslim imams are interested in a modern world.

They jut want to drag the rest of back to the 6th century and slaughter anyone that doesn't care to join them.

Those thoughts , they are also supid and ignorant, suggest your infected with muslimitis [ Islamophobia] too me thinks.

[pappyjohn99]

>>to degenerate a whole people because of the actions of a few<<

And what of the inaction of the rest?

>>The uprising here is because of the populace feelings of Muslimitis, to degenerate a whole people because of the actions of a few. That is the fact and the truth of it and it is stupid and ignorant and to not say so and mention it , just stay silent, that to would be stupid and ignorant.<<

An opinion. A wrong one.

>>Those thoughts , they are also stupid and ignorant, suggest your infected with muslimitis [ Islamophobia] too me thinks.<<

Right. I'm the one that has a problem with my thinking. Just look at the middle east. A bastion of progress and enlightenment. Just ask any woman who lives there.

[deziloooooo]

There are millions who are leading productive lives, raising families, having relationships, wondering how to pay for their gas, mortgage, going to school, many learning English, how many here learning any middle eastern languages, Arabic, lusting after the pretty girl next door...in other words , just living out their lives as we do here, even wasting time posting on what ever chat rooms they have there, and to not think so is ..well you know the two words, look up above.

The woman there, some wear traditional dress, many do not.

[handyman2]

Dezi reminds me of those who defended Hitler and Nazism in the thirties. Oh it is not a problem nor a threat to our country they said. But once in power the whole country changed. Islam is no different. The whole philosophy is to rule the world and make their way view of how we should act the law of the land.
If you do not believe that just ask the people of Europe who are dealing with it now.

[deziloooooo]

"The whole philosophy is to rule the world and make their way view of how we should act the law of the land. "

I would/could put up a

But I won't because your paranoia is not humerouse , in fact very uncomfortable to me.
It is is uncomfortable reminiscent of the ones you also mentioned, "Hitler and Nazism " , They also insinuated that those others, as you are insinuating, were the scourge of mankind, also the same accusation given to those other people, "The whole philosophy is to rule the world", also Hitler and Nazis" used the same quote and reason for their treatment and policies toward them as you did, almost word for word. Are you aware of that?

They also insinuated , as you are doing, they were something that was below normal in the pecking order of acceptability , basically subhuman they were referred as.

After only a few years of these propagandas , the majority of the populace started believing this and even if not all knew about "the final solution", really didn't object as their neighbors businesses were destroyed, they, neighbors and friends were dismissed from their places of work.

The Nuremberg laws were put into effect separating them from all the rights, schools, parks, movie houses, professions , inter marriage between the other members of the populace and then finally picked up and sent East wards with little if any comments from most of the people.

While we haven't yet reached those limits yet with the laws, I am sure if a poll was put together suggesting certain controls of Muslims in our country , I believe with no doubt , the poll would show controls of some sort , some laws in this vein , would be acceptable by to many of the populace in this country.

Example, just read the many post along these lines here , see your own, toward any one who is of the Muslim faith. Very close to those sentiments, so while you and others here keep posting them, I will continue my thoughts as to how paranoia in my eyes they are, and call out those who so post on them, stating and suggesting, just because you say it is so, it isn't so.

[Deleted]

No problem, Dezi. We have people fighting and dying right this second to protect your right to defend the ones killing them.

[lakhota]

May 14, 2011 15:35:48 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

No problem, Dezi. We have people fighting and dying right this second to protect your right to defend the ones killing them.

How open minded of you to assume all Muslims are terrorists.

I don't assume all Christians are terrorists.

[Deleted]

[mmhmm]

Dezi isn't defending anyone who's killing anyone. Dezi is defending those of Islamic faith who are NOT killing anyone. They, just like you and I, would like to see all this hatred end. There are Muslims who are terrorists, as there are Christians who are terrorists, as there are Jews who are terrorists, as there are atheists who are terrorists ... It's about terrorism, not the religion of the terrorist. Most Muslims I've known were peaceful people, and I've known a lot of them!

[handyman2]

Dezi try selling your thoughts to the French people who are dealing with it now and see how far you get.

[Deleted]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560231/Public-pool-bars-father-son-Muslim-swimming-session.html
Public pool bars father and son from its 'Muslim-only' swimming session

A father and his five-year-old son were turned away from their local swimming pool because they were the wrong religion.
David Toube, 39, and his son Harry were told that the Sunday morning session was reserved for Muslim men only.
Hackney Council, which runs the Clissold Leisure Centre in Stoke Newington, north London, claimed staff there had made a mistake.
However, the Muslim-only session was advertised on its website.
Mr Toube, a corporate lawyer, described his experiences on a blog.
"I arrived at the pool to discover that they were holding what staff described to me as "Muslim men only swimming"," he wrote.
"I asked whether my son and I could go as we were both male. I was told that the session was for Muslims only and that we could not be admitted. I asked what would happen if I turned up and insisted I was Muslim.
"The manager suggested that they might ask the Muslims swimming if they minded my son and I swimming with them. If they didn't object, we might be allowed in."
A few days later, Mr Toube, who lives with his wife, 38-year-old barrister Samantha, and their two sons in Stoke Newington, North London, spoke to another leisure centre employee.
"He gave me an identical story. His explanation was that it was a requirement of the Muslim religion that Muslims could not swim with non-Muslims."
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[lakhota]

May 14, 2011 15:44:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dezi isn't defending anyone who's killing anyone. Dezi is defending those of Islamic faith who are NOT killing anyone. They, just like you and I, would like to see all this hatred end. There are Muslims who are terrorists, as there are Christians who are terrorists, as there are Jews who are terrorists, as there are atheists who are terrorists ... It's about terrorism, not the religion of the terrorist. Most Muslims I've known were peaceful people, and I've known a lot of them!

Amen!

[Mkitty is pro kitty]

So if the GOP wants to pass a law forbidding public funding for abortion, they are evil people who want to oppress women and must be stopped.

Then, the same GOP who wants to stop Sharia law which truly opresses women are again evil and want to be stopped.

It's not contradictory because Sharia Law and abortions aren't mutually exclusive. (If you show someone proposes a and ~a, then you've shown a contradiction)

Oh, and how do you "stop" Sharia Law when it hasn't started?

God, gotta love liberals: they make the rest of us look so smart.

Next time, put some more effort into thinking and less into self declared victories.

Probably not? Is it easy to hide the praying 5 times a day facing Mecca?

Muslims are allowed to lie to maintain a deception if it serves the cause of Jihad.

So then you must be a Muslim too, eh? I guess everyone's a Muslim because either you're praying to Mecca or you're lying about it.

Tell us again why you're so smart ...

They jut want to drag the rest of back to the 6th century and slaughter anyone that doesn't care to join them.

As opposed to Republicans who want us to believe the world is 6,000 years old.

We have people fighting and dying right this second to protect your right to defend the ones killing them.

Except he's not defending the terorists. I think you're wrapping yourself too tight in the flag, and you might be cutting off circulation...

My reply #44 is still up. (you know, it's about impossible to become law and effect everyone, and who cares if consenting adults use it on themselves?) Going once ...

[lakhota]

Mkitty says "you're fired!", you're always a breath of fresh air. Thank you.

[lakhota]

To those Republicans who continue to stoke the flames of fear and bigotry to attract media attention and benefit their own political careers, I hope you will heed the words of your fellow Republican Ronald Reagan, who famously stated: "No one group in this country is better than another. No one race or religion or sex or color is better than another. ... It's time we erased the last vestiges of intolerance, bigotry and unkindness from our hearts. Decency demands this and so does our history."

Reagan making some sense during a lucid moment.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 15:44:39 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Dezi isn't defending anyone who's killing anyone. Dezi is defending those of Islamic faith who are NOT killing anyone. They, just like you and I, would like to see all this hatred end. There are Muslims who are terrorists, as there are Christians who are terrorists, as there are Jews who are terrorists, as there are atheists who are terrorists ... It's about terrorism, not the religion of the terrorist. Most Muslims I've known were peaceful people, and I've known a lot of them!

I would say give it up regarding one here mmhmm, loves to shoot off at the hip rather then read what is posted and think before yapping away, why I have no clue and then takes any objection as a affront on them personally, friendship is gone.

I reread my post. I felt it was clear , my objection to the blanket paint brush dissing of basically painting 1.2 plus Billion Muslims throughout the world, as all being part of this global conspiracy of wanting to kill all non Muslims, if they do not convert to their religion, take over all of Western Society and turn it into a complete Muslim world.

Similar to the same paranoia that a regime the author of the post brought up as a example of what, I wasn't clear , but who used the/some same of the same arguments as they did which resulted in what many feel was the greatest or ranked right up there with the greatest abomination perpetrated against a unique people in the history of the world over all recorded time.
Thus such a comparison, the beginning of the same rhetoric, to remain silent and thus condoning and acceptence of that kind of post, just can't remain silent.

The continuous posting here , granted a handful of posters, but post away they do, "freedom of speech " some say, but it is posting of "anti Muslim " rhetoric based on the acts of some and saying all are the same and to not answer back, with facts and the truth is the same as remaining silent and acquiescing to their claims, saying by ones silence, yes it's true, there is a global conspiracy that has the vast percentage of these people in a global war against the West, most willing to die to further their cause.

Naturally not true. In fact was it yesterday, there were 80 young Pakistani ans who died in a suicidal attack, 100's maimed and wounded, by those who are at war but the bomb was aimed at fellow Muslims, not even combatants, no Westerners, all because of the killing of Osama.
I wouldn't have been surprised that it was found out that some of those killed might have morned the death of Osama actually.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 16:10:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560231/Public-pool-bars-father-son-Muslim-swimming-session.html
Public pool bars father and son from its 'Muslim-only' swimming session

A father and his five-year-old son were turned away from their local swimming pool because they were the wrong religion.
David Toube, 39, and his son Harry were told that the Sunday morning session was reserved for Muslim men only.
Hackney Council, which runs the Clissold Leisure Centre in Stoke Newington, north London, claimed staff there had made a mistake.
However, the Muslim-only session was advertised on its website.
Mr Toube, a corporate lawyer, described his experiences on a blog.
"I arrived at the pool to discover that they were holding what staff described to me as "Muslim men only swimming"," he wrote.
"I asked whether my son and I could go as we were both male. I was told that the session was for Muslims only and that we could not be admitted. I asked what would happen if I turned up and insisted I was Muslim.
"The manager suggested that they might ask the Muslims swimming if they minded my son and I swimming with them. If they didn't object, we might be allowed in."
A few days later, Mr Toube, who lives with his wife, 38-year-old barrister Samantha, and their two sons in Stoke Newington, North London, spoke to another leisure centre employee.
"He gave me an identical story. His explanation was that it was a requirement of the Muslim religion that Muslims could not swim with non-Muslims."
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I did some googling to see if this bathing/swimming with those of another faith was a taboo, not allowed by religious law.

I was not able to find any specifics, though did find there are rules regarding ritual bathing, not sure if a mass bathing like this, public swimming or possible it was more a ritual of mass immersing, not clear by the article.

Possible they made specific arrangements, either reserving the use of the pool for a period, a group , possible even renting it.

If it was just a personal thing ," I don't want non Muslims in the pool with me as I swim around. , well personally, that's not right , shouldn't be condoned , especially in a public facility, but the article doesn't say , so to criticize and complain, with out know what we are dealing with here, I suggest more facts have to be known.

For those who question , and have here and on other threads, here is a link on their laws, their customs, their way of doing things that some might find interested since so many here are scared to death of these people.

What I have read, some of the customs are familiar with me, some not and there is a way they handle the law i, Sharia, in fact it covers what was discussed elsewhere about some practicing in civil law the judgment of their peers and abiding by the decisions under their own religion by those so trained, a acceptance that some prefer, in dealings between them selves if both parties agree.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

[Deleted]

Hey, Dez-- if you ever see me saying that all Muslims are terrorists report me. When I am posting on a thread that related to extremism and terrorism I fell no reason to go in to some long yadayada explanation that not ALL Muslims are whatever. That conversation has been had many, many times. No need to qualify everything I say with an exception. Waste of words, waste of space.

[Deleted]

Lots of this type of stories come out of areas where they are especially Muslim sensitive, Dez. That was just one story out of many. There are also stories about Muslim female swimming days where non Muslim women and girls are not allowed in because they violate Muslim modesty laws. I don't THINK that is happening in this country yet, and many of us do not want it to, not ever.

[handyman2]

Nor have I ever said that all Muslims are terrorists. What I say is that they have every intent as stated in Sharia law of in forcing Sharia law on every country thy inhabit. This battle is being waged in European countries today. Their Imam in have stated this publicly many times. Any one not Muslim is an infidel and must be converted or dispatched.
Just this weekend in Fla. an Imam-in and sons who by all accounts were peaceful citizens were arrested for sending funds to the taliban over a period of time. peaceful? You decide. Tell that to those who have been beaten in France for simply walking through a Muslim neighborhood carrying a bottle of wine.

[lakhota]

Tell that to those who have been beaten in France for simply walking through a Muslim neighborhood carrying a bottle of wine.

Hmmm... sounds a little like LA gang turf.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 16:59:28 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Hey, Dez-- if you ever see me saying that all Muslims are terrorists report me. When I am posting on a thread that related to extremism and terrorism I fell no reason to go in to some long yadayada explanation that not ALL Muslims are whatever. That conversation has been had many, many times. No need to qualify everything I say with an exception. Waste of words, waste of space.

To insinuate is the same as saying all, not just yadda, yadda, takes no more time to say specificlly your concerns with out useing a paint brush approach.

There are some horrikle people out there, we are at war with them.

There are also a lot who don't care for us but as long as they stay home, do their yadda, yadda in their own neighborhoods, they don't concern me either.

Those who are active, thats another story and we have the professionals who are tasked to deal with those and for me to muck up their job by insinuating they should be at war with all of Isalam , don' see how that is helping either.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 17:03:16 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Lots of this type of stories come out of areas where they are especially Muslim sensitive, Dez. That was just one story out of many. There are also stories about Muslim female swimming days where non Muslim women and girls are not allowed in because they violate Muslim modesty laws. I don't THINK that is happening in this country yet, and many of us do not want it to, not ever.

If they are making prior arrangements or renting out the facilities for a private shing ding none of my business, or yours.
Actually you should read that wicki I put up about Sharia law, very interesting and scroll to the bottom if you do , gets specific as to certain customs.

I would think regarding the woman and ritual bathing, not sure but there may be ritual baths in their Mosques for that, similar to the bathing facilities that are in Orthodox synagogues for their woman to use, called a mitva.

As far as the post you put up, with out a fuller explanation how can any one make a judgment on the happening. Was it OK'd before, was it rented, was it just that personally they didn't want to mix with , for no other reason but.

Seems it was posted to stir things up , just to stir things up to me.

[Deleted]

George Washington Univ adds female-only swim hours for Muslims
Kansas City YMCA segregates pool for Muslim women, so does MIT
North Carolina aquatic center says yes to sharia law – makes public pool private for Muslim women
Oregon Muslim requests women-only swim times, female lifeguards
UK: More Muslim women-only swimming sessions
Amsterdam: Muslim women demand men be banned from pool
More sharia compliant swimming pools for Muslim women in UK
London pools enforcing sharia law for non-Muslims
UK: Muslims force infidel swimmers into sharia, darkness
Australia: Bare skin banned at public pool to appease

Muslimshttp://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/city-of-edmonton-launches-sharia-compliant-women-only-swimming/

Go to that link to open the above links if interested.

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 17:18:57 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Nor have I ever said that all Muslims are terrorists. What I say is that they have every intent as stated in Sharia law of in forcing Sharia law on every country thy inhabit. This battle is being waged in European countries today. Their Imam in have stated this publicly many times. Any one not Muslim is an infidel and must be converted or dispatched.
Just this weekend in Fla. an Imam-in and sons who by all accounts were peaceful citizens were arrested for sending funds to the taliban over a period of time. peaceful? You decide. Tell that to those who have been beaten in France for simply walking through a Muslim neighborhood carrying a bottle of wine.

If your a Jew , not observant, most here, walk through a Orthodox neighborhood in New York, Israel, dressed immodestly, you will also be attacked .

What idiot would walk through a Muslim neighborhood openly carrying bottles of wine, like in your face, and yet I wonder , they are use to the ways of the world, liquor is consumed, wine especially in France, but there are neighborhoods that I understand police won't go. That's the fault of the police, and more inportant the authorities who are in charge , no reason to have areas that authorities are unable to go into.

"Their Imam in have stated this publicly many times. Any one not Muslim is an infidel and must be converted or dispatched"

There is no one Imam, are you saying all are, and if a few do, so be it, they can say it, it isn't going to happen, and I am sure there are plenty of Muslims who don't believe that and go to other mosques for worship when they run across folks that preach that what they don't believe in.

[Tennesseer]

May 14, 2011 16:10:07 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-560231/Public-pool-bars-father-son-Muslim-swimming-session.html
Public pool bars father and son from its 'Muslim-only' swimming session

A father and his five-year-old son were turned away from their local swimming pool because they were the wrong religion.
David Toube, 39, and his son Harry were told that the Sunday morning session was reserved for Muslim men only.
Hackney Council, which runs the Clissold Leisure Centre in Stoke Newington, north London, claimed staff there had made a mistake.
However, the Muslim-only session was advertised on its website.
Mr Toube, a corporate lawyer, described his experiences on a blog.
"I arrived at the pool to discover that they were holding what staff described to me as "Muslim men only swimming"," he wrote.
"I asked whether my son and I could go as we were both male. I was told that the session was for Muslims only and that we could not be admitted. I asked what would happen if I turned up and insisted I was Muslim.
"The manager suggested that they might ask the Muslims swimming if they minded my son and I swimming with them. If they didn't object, we might be allowed in."
A few days later, Mr Toube, who lives with his wife, 38-year-old barrister Samantha, and their two sons in Stoke Newington, North London, spoke to another leisure centre employee.
"He gave me an identical story. His explanation was that it was a requirement of the Muslim religion that Muslims could not swim with non-Muslims."
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The rest of the story from the article:

Mr Toube joked: "I asked him whether Clissold Leisure Centre would institute Whites Only swimming for racists. His answer was that they would if there was sufficient demand."

He added: "I spoke to a number of Muslim friends, and none of them had heard of a religious prohibition on swimming with non-Muslims.

"One friend was so disgusted with Hackney for trying to segregate Muslims and non Muslims that he suggested that he take his little daughter swimming with us, just to prove the point."

However, Dr Taj Hargey, chair of the Muslim Education Centre of Oxford, said it was not true that Muslims could not swim with non-Muslims.

"There is no Koranic verse or any statement from the sources of Islam that says different religions should be segregated," he said.

"The only requirement is that when women swim they should be modestly clad."

The Prophet Mohammed is recorded as saying that it is a Muslim's duty to learn to swim as it could save his or her life.

The swimming sessions for male Muslims were advertised as taking place every Sunday from 8am to 9.30am.

Leaflets stipulated: "It is compulsory for the body to be covered between the navel and the knees.

"Anyone not adhering to the dress code or rules within the pool will not be allowed to swim. All brothers welcome.'

A leisure centre spokesman said staff were wrong to refuse entry to Mr Toube.

He added: "The member of staff the user spoke with at the time was mistaken when referring to the session as Muslim-only.
"The men's modesty session is not a private hire and is, therefore, open to the public.

"Staff cannot ask your religion on entrance and you won't be refused entry if you don't appear to be Muslim."

A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: "Segregating services may amount to unlawful discrimination and could create a sense of unfairness, inadvertently increasing community tension."

[deziloooooo]

May 14, 2011 18:12:32 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

George Washington Univ adds female-only swim hours for Muslims
Kansas City YMCA segregates pool for Muslim women, so does MIT
North Carolina aquatic center says yes to sharia law – makes public pool private for Muslim women
Oregon Muslim requests women-only swim times, female lifeguards
UK: More Muslim women-only swimming sessions
Amsterdam: Muslim women demand men be banned from pool
More sharia compliant swimming pools for Muslim women in UK
London pools enforcing sharia law for non-Muslims
UK: Muslims force infidel swimmers into sharia, darkness
Australia: Bare skin banned at public pool to appease Muslims

I am betting there are specific times and days..not all the time, they are accomadating their citizens.