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Post by burnsattornincan on May 13, 2011 21:36:12 GMT -5
So I reached out to the Islamic Society of North America's national director, Sayyid Syeed, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations' national outreach coordinator, Aseel Elborno, and asked them point-blank: Do you want to impose Sharia law across the United States? Their answer: a resounding "no."
What the hell do you think the answer is going to be? Where did this naive idiocy come from...? Oh right, the Communist News Network!
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 21:52:05 GMT -5
So I reached out to the Islamic Society of North America's national director, Sayyid Syeed, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations' national outreach coordinator, Aseel Elborno, and asked them point-blank: Do you want to impose Sharia law across the United States? Their answer: a resounding "no."What the hell do you think the answer is going to be? Where did this naive idiocy come from...? Oh right, the Communist News Network! Christians say yes! Muslims say No! Who ya gonna believe...?
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Post by EVT1 on May 13, 2011 22:00:18 GMT -5
Your right! It is just a massive conspiracy to change our legal system. First they will have to infiltrate the House, then the Senate- with sufficient majorities mind you, and don't forget the Supreme Court- they will require them too, so add a long stream of Presidents to appoint them. Now, they are going to have to amend the Constitution as well, so don't forget the state legislatures will also have to be infiltrated, and all the voters, and...... Do they give out law degrees in cracker jack boxes up north?
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 13, 2011 22:10:49 GMT -5
Do they give out law degrees in cracker jack boxes up north?
Are you kidding me? Your commander in chief lived as a Muslim for at least 3 years. Is he a devout practicing one? Probably not but it is not a stretch to believe he could be sympathetic to their causes. What makes you think the problems seen in France and England will not manifest here with the immigration and reproduction occurring now? I wouldn't be so quick to blow off this type of threat. Once it gets out of control there will be a world of hurt for both parties.
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 22:27:09 GMT -5
OMG, what we gonna do?
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Post by lakhota on May 13, 2011 22:30:32 GMT -5
Which would be worse: Fundamentalist Christian Biblical law or Fundamentalist Islamic Sharia law? Biblical law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_lawSharia law: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShariaTheoacracy Watch - Biblical LawDominists seek to re-interpret the U.S. Constitution so that it conforms to their Biblical Worldview. Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel declares it's time to get Jesus into the judicial mix. "Now we're working to establish Liberty University School of Law, which will open its doors in August 2004. We are going to teach lawyers to think in a biblical, Christian world view." According to dominionists, the Bible has supremacy over the U.S. Constitution. In a 2002 address to the Society of Catholic Social Scientists in Ann Arbor, Mich., federal judge James Leon Holmes, appointed in July, 2004, affirmed the supremacy of the Bible: Christianity transcends the political order and cannot be subordinated to the political order. The principle of separation of church and state has no place in his vision for the future: The final reunion of Church and state will take place at the end of time, when Christ will claim definitive political power of all creation, inaugurating an entirely new society based on the supernatural. Dominionist Dream: Repeal the 1st Amendment, Talk To Action, December 16, 2005 Much, much more scary stuff: www.theocracywatch.org/biblical_law2.htm
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2011 22:33:39 GMT -5
Apparently we need to run around screaming and begging our representatives to pass laws that Sharia law can't be used to deal with Muslim only divorces, etc. if it doesn't go against the law of the land. Panic now! Jewish law has probably been used in conjuction with US law for years to deal with disputes among Jews. The horror!
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2011 22:34:50 GMT -5
Which would be worse: Fundamentalist Christian Biblical law or Fundamentalist Islamic Sharia law? Wouldn't they at least both agree that we shouldn't eat pork? ;D
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Post by Tennesseer on May 13, 2011 22:37:21 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 13, 2011 22:38:02 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2011 22:40:20 GMT -5
"Your commander in chief lived as a Muslim for at least 3 years. Is he a devout practicing one? Probably not " Probably not? Is it easy to hide the praying 5 times a day facing Mecca?
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Post by Opti on May 13, 2011 22:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by burnsattornincan on May 13, 2011 22:51:28 GMT -5
I'm so sorry Ms. Optimist4Life. I was told never to nod off again while reading something on this board however it seems to have happened again. Not sure why, could be the content. Anyway, I just remember seeing your name and the word divorce and I reacted too quickly. I'm fully awake now and know you're probably not getting divorced. /Dalton
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 13, 2011 23:03:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mkitty is pro kitty on May 14, 2011 1:02:33 GMT -5
To have Sharia Law at the present time for laws concerning the general populace is about impossible at this time. People should worry more about getting struck by lightning. Or how about people passing these silly anti-Sharia laws solve more pressing problems, like that jobs! jobs! jobs! thing? Either these people have an awfully poor sense of priorities or they're purposely wasting time and taxpayers' money.
But if it it concerns something between individuals, say a contract, and it doesn't contradict our laws, and it's between two consenting adults, who cares?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 14, 2011 1:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 14, 2011 1:24:33 GMT -5
Ban burkhas!! Vive la France!! ;D
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 7:58:33 GMT -5
Sharia Law? That has no place anywhere in this country for any reason. If they do not like our laws then they can take their ass back to sand town! Yeah, that's what Native Americans said about Pilgrim law. And look how well it worked out for the Native American. You just made the case to fight Sharia law: thank you!
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 8:01:07 GMT -5
Why all the Republican anti-Sharia law fearmongering about a nonexistent problem in America? It isn't Muslims showing ignorance - it's Republican fearmongers who are apparently afraid of their own shadows. Fear is the number 1 weapon of the conservatives. Keeps the voters in line. Works with just about every issue too. Just taking a page out of the Democrate page book. So if the GOP wants to pass a law forbidding public funding for abortion, they are evil people who want to oppress women and must be stopped. Then, the same GOP who wants to stop Sharia law which truly opresses women are again evil and want to be stopped. God, gotta love liberals: they make the rest of us look so smart.
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 8:03:12 GMT -5
Why don't I like it? Because i have a 9 yr old daughter. Because i wouldn't want her to grow up in a world of burqas, of fear of being offed in an "honor killing", of being taken out into a football field and executed like the Taliban did. Maybe in this country women can choose this lifestyle. But, women and children are being maimed and butchered across the globe under male muslim domination. +1 People who think there is nothing to fear from Muslim beliefs are very ignorant of how the countries where those beliefs and laws flourish. How the same people who bash the GOP as anti-woman, homophobic, etc... can support Muslims just shocks me.
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 8:05:43 GMT -5
"Your commander in chief lived as a Muslim for at least 3 years. Is he a devout practicing one? Probably not " Probably not? Is it easy to hide the praying 5 times a day facing Mecca? Muslims are allowed to lie to maintain a deception if it serves the cause of Jihad. I think most Imans would look the other way if (heh, if) they had one of their own installed in the most powerful office in the world... well besides Paul's. ;D
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 8:09:08 GMT -5
So I reached out to the Islamic Society of North America's national director, Sayyid Syeed, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations' national outreach coordinator, Aseel Elborno, and asked them point-blank: Do you want to impose Sharia law across the United States? Their answer: a resounding "no."What the hell do you think the answer is going to be? Where did this naive idiocy come from...? Oh right, the Communist News Network! Christians say yes! Muslims say No! Who ya gonna believe...? Let's see... let's look at the predominatedly Muslim nations- Sharia law, tyranny, backwards, repressive... and now look at the predominatedly Christian nations: free, prosperous, no one is getting hacked apart for blasphemy... Wow, hard choice. Seriously, the only Chirstian theocracy I know about it Vatican city: I think most people here would live there before living in Iran, Syria, etc...
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Post by ameiko on May 14, 2011 8:12:47 GMT -5
All females, all gays and anyone that is an independent sole should be afraid of Sharia Law Please name one place in America where Sharia law is a problem - or even a potential problem. 1. you did not answer the original quote 2. I will answer yours: wherever there are Muslims who wield strong political power 3. potentiallly the Supreme Court if they have a Muslim or pro-Muslim judge who decides that it's ok to use Sharia law in his judgement just as the Court referenced international law a few years ago when deciding at what age one can execute a juvenile. Neither international law nor Sharia law is to be considered by te Court, only the Constitution and those justices should have been impeached (I believe you can impeach a justice).
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Post by handyman2 on May 14, 2011 8:50:14 GMT -5
True we have our own system of laws. But so did England, France, Sweden and Australia. But as the Islamic communities gained strength in those countries the islamic leadership started demanding that they be judged by Sharia law. Just do a little research as to how it has impacted those countries battleing those issues today. As the Prime minister in Austrailia put it to the Muslims who were trying to change the system, (This is our country if you do not like our system then get out, your Sharia system is not the law here). Why do you think She was forced to make that statement? In this country we do have seperation of state and religion. The Muslim Sharia system is not compatable with that. By the way I am not a Republican and I have many Democratic friends who are concerned about the Sharia system so it is not just a Republican concern as implied in this post.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 14, 2011 9:01:54 GMT -5
Well, let's see... I like my head on my shoulders... I would hate being buried to the waist and stoned to death... would not like having my father run over me and kill me... being raped and beaten for disobedience does not appeal to me..... so many things... I do not want ANYTHING to do with Muslim law in MY free country. If they want to torture their women let them go home and do it. You always seem to pick out the worst of everything and then over play it like it is a common every day occurence, and then your real feelings , "and Maybe just porn of filthy infidels" I don't believe said in jest, but forgetting all your hysteria for drama purposes, there might be a way sharia law might be acceptable in the USA or any non Muslim country. I would think in areas where there is a large Muslim presence, in civil cases, if there is agreement between both parties , who are of the Muslim faith, that the case be judged by Muslims judges under Muslim sharia law, and agreement that they will abide by what ever decision is rendered by those courts. No there will be no loping off of limbs, and other off the wall punishments , just decisions made by learned people, Judges so to speak, who have studied and examined the laws and judgements and reasonings of their faithh for years, and only concerning the parties in question. Jews , orthodox mainly, have been doing that forever, having Jewish Courts make decisions in desputes between agreed parties who prefer this route over the normal civil process and I have never heard of any objections by others about this happening.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 14, 2011 9:21:21 GMT -5
>>just decisions made by learned people<< islamic judges?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 9:25:26 GMT -5
Muslim sympathizers.......... awesome.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2011 9:27:58 GMT -5
Hey, Dez- I dug up one of your Iran threads to post on this morning about rapes of men in prison--- which is allowed there, and not considered homosexuality even, under their law.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 14, 2011 10:04:01 GMT -5
www.slate.com/id/2136964/Bawer's real spleen is reserved, however, for those European elites who up to now have ignored the growing threat to their democracy while blaming their problems on the United States and Israel. The Europeans he encounters remain heirs of the 1968 revolt, embracing childish anti-establishment politics that blames the world's problems on capitalism and America, even as Muslim youths attack Jews and gays in their own midst. National leaders cozy up to Arab authoritarians and ignore popular complaints about crime in immigrant communities in hopes of buying peace for themselves. Those like Pym Fortuyn, the gay Dutch politician who was the first to say clearly that Muslims were a threat to the central Dutch values of openness and pluralism (and who was assassinated by an animal-rights activist), are denounced by the media and academic elites as fascists and racists. www.cfr.org/religion/europe-integrating-islam/p8252Caldwell points out the cultural disconnect Islam is causing for Europeans: On the one hand, Europeans expect a strong division between church and state. On the other, Europeans' aspirations for tolerance impede their ability to criticize Islam in the same way they have historically criticized Christianity. There have been numerous cases of Muslims using Europe's hate speech laws to defend against what they consider defamation of Islam. Meanwhile, cases such as the 2004 murder of Theo van Gogh (BBC) for his film "Submission," critical of treatment of women in Islam, are considered evidence of intolerance by Muslims toward freedom of expression. yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/beyond-minarets-europes-growing-problemMeanwhile demands by some Muslims for special privileges such as segregation by gender at public swimming pools and hospitals and the practice of tribal customs, including polygamy, genital mutilation, forced marriages and honor killings, prompt concerns that Muslims do not share European values. A minority of young Muslims are indeed falling prey to radical ideologies. Europe's diverse Muslim communities and their leaders often pay too much attention to demanding their rights and not enough on fulfilling their obligations as European citizens.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 14, 2011 10:41:57 GMT -5
>>just decisions made by learned people<< islamic judges? Yep, and they are learned, study their whole lives interpreting the religious writings of their religion , alone and in concert with others trying to interpret the true meanings and apply to the modern world. Jewish scholar's do the same thing, studying the Bible, Talmud and other writings and discuss together doing the same, as do Christian theologians, see all the books authored on different interpretations, same with the Catholic church, study, interpretation, naturally in that case final judgment from the leader of the Church, the Pope, but scholarship still done to try and keep it up to date and current with the times. Your prejudice toward a whole people because of the actions of a few, your toward a whole part of the modern world, just makes no sense. Reminds me of during the war the Hamburg became a victory burger, dispute with France over what ever, French Fries renamed to some thing wlse...stupid but done.
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