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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 23, 2020 18:09:01 GMT -5
One or more of their family members. It's not real or important until it happens to some.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 23, 2020 18:19:19 GMT -5
I can only define acceptable as a relative term. Given that the US is 9th in deaths per millions, there is a lot of room to say we should be doing better.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 23, 2020 18:26:24 GMT -5
Trump was having a melt down when a few (6 or maybe 9?) Americans died from Ebola. So I think the number of American deaths from a disease should be 6-9.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 23, 2020 18:45:08 GMT -5
Trump was having a melt down when a few (6 or maybe 9?) Americans died from Ebola. So I think the number of American deaths from a disease should be 6-9. Four laboratory-confirmed cases of Ebola virus disease (commonly known as "Ebola") occurred in the United States in 2014.[3] Eleven cases were reported, including these four cases and seven cases medically evacuated from other countries.[4] The first was reported in September 2014.[5] Nine of the people contracted the disease outside the US and traveled into the country, either as regular airline passengers or as medical evacuees; of those nine, two died. Two people contracted Ebola in the United States. Both were nurses who treated an Ebola patient; both recovered.[4] link
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Post by buystoys on Aug 23, 2020 19:07:48 GMT -5
Are there even any Republicans left on this board who can answer your question? I haven't seen most of them in quite some time.
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Post by mary2029 on Aug 23, 2020 19:08:42 GMT -5
Ok, I will present some arguments as I like to play devil's advocate. 1. The world is still dealing with the virus and there will likely be a second if not third or fourth wave before we get enough people inocculated against it. If I recall my facts from the 1918 flu, the third wave was the worst one for taking lives in the US and those areas that were hit more severely during the first two waves were not affected as much during the third wave. Analyzing the numbers now is like declaring a winner during the first quarter during a basketball game. 2. Belgium, UK, Italy and Spain have far more deaths for their population size than the US. Plus we have done more testing than any of them have. 3. More people probably died this year from cancer, car crashes, being shot, Alzheimer's, or diabetes. Why hasn't the media spent a tenth of the time on those?
Now, were you planning on typing something out to argue on the above topics? If so, shame on you as I changed the discussion. You need to stop having your attention diverted.
My personal feeling is no, this is totally unacceptable. The USEPA has settled on 1 death in a million being acceptable. Since the virus is new and the world was scrambling, I would go up to 5 deaths per million, maybe even 10. 546 per million is significantly too many. I wonder how many people were planning on typing their rage that I called them out for being too easily diverted?
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 23, 2020 19:38:17 GMT -5
... 3. More people probably died this year from cancer, car crashes, being shot, Alzheimer's, or diabetes. Why hasn't the media spent a tenth of the time on those? ... Based on norms, true for cancer. You missed heart disease as number one. Others not true. linkI don't know what the media would be covering those two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 19:59:32 GMT -5
I tested positive last weekend, was bed ridden a couple days and had the nastiest chest cold of my life until yesterday.
I am amazed that there was zero contact tracing from the positive result, I quarantined myself as soon as I had symptoms and called everyone I was in close contact with urging tests when I found out I was positive.
We as a country have totally fucked up the Covid response and many more are going to die because of it.
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Post by irishpad on Aug 23, 2020 20:12:27 GMT -5
@aj Hope that you and your family don't have any long term effects from Covid. Do you know who you likely contracted it from?
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Post by mary2029 on Aug 23, 2020 20:20:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I was definitely off on those numbers. Sorry and thanks for providing the links. As a Republican, there hasn't been much of anything to be proud of these last four years. It has been shameful to see a 2-year old and a bunch of spineless lemmings in office "leading" the country. Starting in January, I think it is likely that the Democrats will have the Presidency and the majority of the Senate and the House. This will mean that Democrats could be responsible for every single decision coming from the federal government for at least two years. I hope that you are as critical of your own party as you are the opposing party.
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Post by mary2029 on Aug 23, 2020 20:23:21 GMT -5
On a positive note for the 57% number... Trump frequently states that 94 to 95 percent of the Republicans approve of what he is doing. So only 57 percent is a huge drop from that support.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 20:26:49 GMT -5
@aj Hope that you and your family don't have any long term effects from Covid. Do you know who you likely contracted it from? No clue, the messed up thing is the two weeks prior to symptoms I barely left the house. At the time symptoms appeared I hadn’t been around another person in 4 days. Feel totally fine now and was back to a normal workout this morning.
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Post by Opti on Aug 23, 2020 20:30:45 GMT -5
Ok, I will present some arguments as I like to play devil's advocate. 1. The world is still dealing with the virus and there will likely be a second if not third or fourth wave before we get enough people inocculated against it. If I recall my facts from the 1918 flu, the third wave was the worst one for taking lives in the US and those areas that were hit more severely during the first two waves were not affected as much during the third wave. Analyzing the numbers now is like declaring a winner during the first quarter during a basketball game. 2. Belgium, UK, Italy and Spain have far more deaths for their population size than the US. Plus we have done more testing than any of them have. 3. More people probably died this year from cancer, car crashes, being shot, Alzheimer's, or diabetes. Why hasn't the media spent a tenth of the time on those? Now, were you planning on typing something out to argue on the above topics? If so, shame on you as I changed the discussion. You need to stop having your attention diverted. My personal feeling is no, this is totally unacceptable. The USEPA has settled on 1 death in a million being acceptable. Since the virus is new and the world was scrambling, I would go up to 5 deaths per million, maybe even 10. 546 per million is significantly too many. I wonder how many people were planning on typing their rage that I called them out for being too easily diverted? I think we are too high, as Worldometer is tracking 215 countries. We are currently 10th in deaths per Million of population. Italy should be higher than most countries. It is relatively small and was one of the beginning epi-centers. I expect them to remain in the top 10 at least through year end unless something dramatic changes. It is much like NJ and NY leading other US states in deaths per 1 Million population because our cases occurred very early before medical professionals came up with ways to save people, etc. Yet that said, if you want to watch the state rankings, watch Louisiana as an up and comer. They lead the nation in cases per 1 Million population. They are currently fifth in deaths per population and I expect they will move up. I don't sort by countries often because its too depressing. Here are three countries at 1 or less deaths per million of population: Vietnam, Rwanda, and Jordan.
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Post by irishpad on Aug 23, 2020 20:39:45 GMT -5
@aj Hope that you and your family don't have any long term effects from Covid. Do you know who you likely contracted it from? No clue, the messed up thing is the two weeks prior to symptoms I barely left the house. At the time symptoms appeared I hadn’t been around another person in 4 days. Feel totally fine now and was back to a normal workout this morning. That's scary, not knowing how you may have contracted it. Due to my job/role, I have a lot of contact with people (and have been diligent about protocols ) but if I get it, would also not have a clue who it would be from Glad your symptoms seem to be on the minor side of things.
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Post by Opti on Aug 23, 2020 20:42:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I was definitely off on those numbers. Sorry and thanks for providing the links. [img src="https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/smile.gif" src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png" alt=" " class="smile"] As a Republican, there hasn't been much of anything to be proud of these last four years. It has been shameful to see a 2-year old and a bunch of spineless lemmings in office "leading" the country. Starting in January, I think it is likely that the Democrats will have the Presidency and the majority of the Senate and the House. This will mean that Democrats could be responsible for every single decision coming from the federal government for at least two years. I hope that you are as critical of your own party as you are the opposing party. You may be disappointed as I don't think Biden will be a shitty President so I will have much less to find fault with. Honestly I don't know what I will feel about whatever Republicans remain at the federal level. In general, I have been shocked at their spineless and pandering to Trump. As bad as I thought Trump would be for the country, I never envisioned the Republicans as willing enablers. That is a shock it may take several administrations to get over. I don't consider Trump a Republican, just an opportunist. I hope we never ever elect anyone like him again.
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Post by Opti on Aug 23, 2020 20:44:36 GMT -5
@aj Hope that you and your family don't have any long term effects from Covid. Do you know who you likely contracted it from? No clue, the messed up thing is the two weeks prior to symptoms I barely left the house. At the time symptoms appeared I hadn’t been around another person in 4 days. Feel totally fine now and was back to a normal workout this morning. It takes Covid sometime to cook and I believe there are cases that took more than 14 days to manifest, even if it isn't the usual.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 20:48:28 GMT -5
Ok, I will present some arguments as I like to play devil's advocate. 3. More people probably died this year from cancer, car crashes, being shot, Alzheimer's, or diabetes. Why hasn't the media spent a tenth of the time on those? I'd rather you just answer honestly than play the devil's advocate. when I ask a question, I REALLY want to know. I don't want you to toy with me, and I am not toying with you or anyone else, here.
cancer will kill 600k+ this year. and it doesn't get as much press because there is no specific cause of cancer. there has been a 30 year campaign against smoking, with some efficacy. I am not sure how many deaths it has prevented.
38,000 people per year die in car crashes. about the same as an average flu year. we don't talk about it because it is considered acceptable to lose 1% of our population to live somewhat normal lives here, I guess. the number is about the same for gunshot deaths.
Alzheimer's kills over 100k each year, so we are getting close on that one. it's pretty damned serious, and I think we should talk more about it than we do. but I think the reason we don't is that we kinda expect something to get us when we get old- but this is a particularly nasty something.
Diabetes deaths are about 80k per year. it probably deserves more attention.
part of the reason that this gets more press is that it is TRULY preventable. if we simply stayed indoors for a month, it would be GONE. because we are basically volunteering to kill 1000 Americans per day so that we can have a sense of normality is utterly selfish and immoral, imo. the same cannot be said about any of the other diseases mentioned. they are not driven by selfishness in the way this one is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 20:53:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I was definitely off on those numbers. Sorry and thanks for providing the links. [img src="https://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff155/JiminiChristmas/ymamsmiles/smile.gif" alt=" " src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png" class="smile"] As a Republican, there hasn't been much of anything to be proud of these last four years. It has been shameful to see a 2-year old and a bunch of spineless lemmings in office "leading" the country. Starting in January, I think it is likely that the Democrats will have the Presidency and the majority of the Senate and the House. This will mean that Democrats could be responsible for every single decision coming from the federal government for at least two years. I hope that you are as critical of your own party as you are the opposing party. I am actually more concerned that Trump will simply refuse to leave office. if he does, to play devil's advocate, how will you respond?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 20:55:12 GMT -5
On a positive note for the 57% number... Trump frequently states that 94 to 95 percent of the Republicans approve of what he is doing. So only 57 percent is a huge drop from that support. I agree, but it still doesn't answer the question:
why is 180k dead Americans acceptable?
I HONESTLY don't get it. seriously.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 20:57:47 GMT -5
Ok, I will present some arguments as I like to play devil's advocate. 1. The world is still dealing with the virus and there will likely be a second if not third or fourth wave before we get enough people inocculated against it. If I recall my facts from the 1918 flu, the third wave was the worst one for taking lives in the US and those areas that were hit more severely during the first two waves were not affected as much during the third wave. Analyzing the numbers now is like declaring a winner during the first quarter during a basketball game. 2. Belgium, UK, Italy and Spain have far more deaths for their population size than the US. Plus we have done more testing than any of them have. 3. More people probably died this year from cancer, car crashes, being shot, Alzheimer's, or diabetes. Why hasn't the media spent a tenth of the time on those? Now, were you planning on typing something out to argue on the above topics? If so, shame on you as I changed the discussion. You need to stop having your attention diverted. My personal feeling is no, this is totally unacceptable. The USEPA has settled on 1 death in a million being acceptable. Since the virus is new and the world was scrambling, I would go up to 5 deaths per million, maybe even 10. 546 per million is significantly too many. I wonder how many people were planning on typing their rage that I called them out for being too easily diverted? I think we are too high, as Worldometer is tracking 215 countries. We are currently 10th in deaths per Million of population. Italy should be higher than most countries. It is relatively small and was one of the beginning epi-centers. I expect them to remain in the top 10 at least through year end unless something dramatic changes. It is much like NJ and NY leading other US states in deaths per 1 Million population because our cases occurred very early before medical professionals came up with ways to save people, etc. Yet that said, if you want to watch the state rankings, watch Louisiana as an up and comer. They lead the nation in cases per 1 Million population. They are currently fifth in deaths per population and I expect they will move up. I don't sort by countries often because its too depressing. Here are three countries at 1 or less deaths per million of population: Vietnam, Rwanda, and Jordan. the 57% are terrifyingly egocentric if they are comparing to cancer. the ONLY objective standard is to compare ourselves to other countries. right now, we are something like 190th out of 200 countries. that is the ONLY relevant comparison that should matter.
and there is no way in hell that is acceptable.
we don't cheer for being 10th worst. that is un-American.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 23, 2020 21:01:29 GMT -5
Ok, I will present some arguments as I like to play devil's advocate. .. I'd rather you just answer honestly than play the devil's advocate. when I ask a question, I REALLY want to know. I don't want you to toy with me, and I am not toying with you or anyone else, here. I appreciate that mary2029 offered points to debate.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 23, 2020 21:03:18 GMT -5
.., to play devil's advocate, ... I don't think that term means what you think it means.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 21:13:43 GMT -5
.., to play devil's advocate, ... I don't think that term means what you think it means. oh, me too! nobody else stepped up. I appreciate it.
this is like me saying that I would rather have crème brulee than ice cream for dessert. that doesn't mean I don't like ice cream.
but i still don't know the answer to the questions i asked. i think i will post this on a really right wing board.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 21:15:51 GMT -5
.., to play devil's advocate, ... I don't think that term means what you think it means. no, i was straight up misusing it, in an attempt to be funny.
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Post by oped on Aug 23, 2020 21:20:04 GMT -5
On a positive note for the 57% number... Trump frequently states that 94 to 95 percent of the Republicans approve of what he is doing. So only 57 percent is a huge drop from that support. I agree, but it still doesn't answer the question:
why is 180k dead Americans acceptable?
I HONESTLY don't get it. seriously.
They will justify anything. They live in a fantasy world completely devoid from an objective reality.
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Post by laterbloomer on Aug 23, 2020 21:22:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I was definitely off on those numbers. Sorry and thanks for providing the links. As a Republican, there hasn't been much of anything to be proud of these last four years. It has been shameful to see a 2-year old and a bunch of spineless lemmings in office "leading" the country. Starting in January, I think it is likely that the Democrats will have the Presidency and the majority of the Senate and the House. This will mean that Democrats could be responsible for every single decision coming from the federal government for at least two years. I hope that you are as critical of your own party as you are the opposing party. Whomever comes after Trump is going to look amazing by comparison. And they have years of "still trying to clean up the mess Trump left". The frustration Republicans felt when Obama was in will be a fond memory for them.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 23, 2020 21:26:38 GMT -5
I agree, but it still doesn't answer the question:
why is 180k dead Americans acceptable?
I HONESTLY don't get it. seriously.
They will justify anything. They live in a fantasy world completely devoid from an objective reality. justify what, in this case? abject failure?
how certain do you feel that you have this right?
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Post by oped on Aug 23, 2020 21:30:54 GMT -5
Justify deaths. Nothing Trump does is a failure.
How certain am I? This week my father, a rabid fox junky who has been telling me all along its no big deal and who doesn't believe the numbers anyway told me its good son isn't going back to Philly because its become a hellhole of rioting and murder (rates are up to almost 2007 levels, at 247... in a city where 1800 have died of Covid but THAT doesn't matter...)
And an acquaintance sent me a video of which I could only watch a few seconds... not making it past where the truth of Covid 19 as Certificate of Vaccination ID-AI and the numerology of corona adding up to 666 was explained...
I read this week that the current largest growing group spreading Qannon conspiracies is MOM groups...
There are fucking wackado.
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