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Post by billisonboard on Oct 31, 2019 22:49:35 GMT -5
Beliefs can be interesting but not necessarily significant. Alright. what is interesting when on these MSN polls where they have asked about politics most of the people polled listed or clicked on Democrat, one poll if I remember right was 73% A connection between belief in what action the House will take and partisan identification doesn't seem significant to me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 31, 2019 22:55:43 GMT -5
Watching a MSN news article, at the end is a informal poll. One of the questions asked was, Do you believe Trump will impeached? Yes O No O don't know O There were 10,743 responses. 65% said No. 6500 stupid people. color me shocked. he is absolutely getting impeached.
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Post by dezii on Oct 31, 2019 23:33:46 GMT -5
Watching a MSN news article, at the end is a informal poll. One of the questions asked was, Do you believe Trump will impeached? Yes O No O don't know O There were 10,743 responses. 65% said No. If the Poll meant the Senate voting to impeach the Donald..I am surprised it wasn't closer to 100% saying no, especially after seeing the House vote...not one single GOP member voted in favor of continuing the impeachment of the President...not one. When Clinton was President, plenty of Democrats..believe over 30, voted to impeach him... Shows where GOP is on this topic...personally, hoping it will come back and bite many who are up for reelection in the ass...Same and as important, will be how the election in 2020 affects those GOP members up for reelection...Not sure it will get to the Senate for a vote or a vote be allowed before the 2020 election.. As I have said before here...there are two scenarios I wouldn't be surprised to see happen before the election ...and after. If his own many Polls show that electoral wise he probably would not win reelection, he announces he is retiring, not running for reelection...or if he runs and loses...he does NOT go quietly as all Presidents have in the past if not reelected...The man cares little for the well being of the country...it's all about him.. Example is the booing at the WS game in Washington...claiming the crowd was cheering him...wanting him to stay...even in jest pretty sick...especially if he believes that.
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Post by Bob Ross on Nov 1, 2019 0:28:17 GMT -5
Watching a MSN news article, at the end is a informal poll. One of the questions asked was, Do you believe Trump will impeached? Yes O No O don't know O There were 10,743 responses. 65% said No. If the Poll meant the Senate voting to impeach the Donald..I am surprised it wasn't closer to 100% saying no, especially after seeing the House vote...not one single GOP member voted in favor of continuing the impeachment of the President...not one. When Clinton was President, plenty of Democrats..believe over 30, voted to impeach him... Shows where GOP is on this topic...personally, hoping it will come back and bite many who are up for reelection in the ass...Same and as important, will be how the election in 2020 affects those GOP members up for reelection...Not sure it will get to the Senate for a vote or a vote be allowed before the 2020 election.. As I have said before here...there are two scenarios I wouldn't be surprised to see happen before the election ...and after. If his own many Polls show that electoral wise he probably would not win reelection, he announces he is retiring, not running for reelection...or if he runs and loses...he does NOT go quietly as all Presidents have in the past if not reelected...The man cares little for the well being of the country...it's all about him.. Example is the booing at the WS game in Washington...claiming the crowd was cheering him...wanting him to stay...even in jest pretty sick...especially if he believes that. I can understand why no GOP house member voted in favor of continuing the impeachment. Strategically, such a vote would do each individual member no good. They knew the Dems would carry the day, thus an extra vote in favor would have absolutely no upside, with the downside of singling them out for Trump attacks, becoming a pariah of their party, and risking their future careers, so to vote no was the safe bet and makes perfect sense at this point. The GOP vote in the Senate, if it came to that, would be different, in that if enough of them vote for impeachment, then Trump's gone, end of story, so no risk of retaliation by a vindictive POTUS and they will likely know how all of them are voting ahead of time, so the risk level is much less. That being said, I don't think the Senate will vote to impeach Trump no matter what, and that's scary. Trump will spin that decision as how he was innocent all along, the Dems were the evil ones for going after him in the first place, and the IQ 80 voting masses will lap this up.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2019 7:16:26 GMT -5
Well, they have to come up some kind of diversion.
They're last one (Those dirty Dems are having secret impeachment hearing that don't include the GOP!) fell to pieces this week.
This is like someone starting a campfire in the hopes of distracting attention from the fact that Chicago is burning down.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 1, 2019 7:20:44 GMT -5
I heard an interesting comment on the news box yesterday (can't remember what I was watching) - there are GOP people in the 3 committees that are currently doing the secret impeachment inquiry, but all the leaks that have come out of the committee have been damning to Trump.
Since the GOP members are also there, also listening to the testimony, and desperate for some way to cast Trump in a non-criminal light, wouldn't there have been leaks from the GOP members of the committee, leaking the information that would clear Trump, or information that would prove someone was lying in his testimony - anything that would help Trump?
The fact that the GOP committee members haven't found a single nugget of useful anti-impeachment information in the hearings so far does not bode well for Trump.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 1, 2019 8:54:28 GMT -5
I suspect most of the people don't know that "Impeachment" is the process. It is highly likely that 65% of people believe he won't be REMOVED as a result of impeachment. And that isn't unreasonable. At this time the Senate is highly unlikely to remove him.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 1, 2019 22:23:34 GMT -5
Watching a MSN news article, at the end is a informal poll. One of the questions asked was, Do you believe Trump will impeached? Yes O No O don't know O There were 10,743 responses. 65% said No. 6500 stupid people. color me shocked. he is absolutely getting impeached.
Ain't gona happen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 1, 2019 23:36:29 GMT -5
6500 stupid people. color me shocked. he is absolutely getting impeached.
Ain't gona happen. it will. the GOP can't block it.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 2, 2019 6:28:36 GMT -5
How much do you want to bet the poster is confusing the term "impeached" with "removed from office?" I think I saw that poll.
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Post by OldCoyote on Nov 2, 2019 8:33:59 GMT -5
You are right, I should have posted that he will not be removed from office.
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Post by Opti on Nov 2, 2019 15:42:51 GMT -5
I heard an interesting comment on the news box yesterday (can't remember what I was watching) - there are GOP people in the 3 committees that are currently doing the secret impeachment inquiry, but all the leaks that have come out of the committee have been damning to Trump.
Since the GOP members are also there, also listening to the testimony, and desperate for some way to cast Trump in a non-criminal light, wouldn't there have been leaks from the GOP members of the committee, leaking the information that would clear Trump, or information that would prove someone was lying in his testimony - anything that would help Trump?
The fact that the GOP committee members haven't found a single nugget of useful anti-impeachment information in the hearings so far does not bode well for Trump.
Trump's guilty. What's to leak in his favor?
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Post by tbop77 on Nov 3, 2019 7:26:27 GMT -5
As an independent voter, this speaks to how I feel about the Republican party: Instead, Republicans have now chosen to double down against impeachment in violation of every principle the GOP once claimed to cherish.
Limited government? Trump has argued that impeachment does not apply to him, and that he is beyond even being investigated for any wrongdoing. Republicans agree. The party of national security? Trump cheers on the Republicans trying to subvert closed hearings — the kind they themselves defended when investigating the Benghazi disaster — as they barge into classified facilities with unsecured electronic devices. The guardians of patriotism? Trump enablers derided a decorated combat veteran for even daring to speak the truth about Trump’s misconduct.
The House Republicans have clearly decided to throw themselves on the pyre of Donald Trump’s burning presidency. The last act of this tragedy — and impeachment, no matter how it turns out, is a national tragedy — will be when Senate Republicans meekly submit to the will of Donald Trump and acquit him, like terrified jurors under the glaring eye of a Mafia boss who knows their names.www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-house-voted-for-an-impeachment-inquiry-and-republicans-failed-a-test-of-character/ar-AAJERN9?ocid=spartanntp
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 3, 2019 13:49:30 GMT -5
it is going to reinforce the image of what the GOP has become: an anti-government insurgency.
so, 2020 will be a monumental election, in a sense. we will be choosing governance -vs- plutocracy.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 4, 2019 11:16:56 GMT -5
I heard an interesting comment on the news box yesterday (can't remember what I was watching) - there are GOP people in the 3 committees that are currently doing the secret impeachment inquiry, but all the leaks that have come out of the committee have been damning to Trump.
Since the GOP members are also there, also listening to the testimony, and desperate for some way to cast Trump in a non-criminal light, wouldn't there have been leaks from the GOP members of the committee, leaking the information that would clear Trump, or information that would prove someone was lying in his testimony - anything that would help Trump?
The fact that the GOP committee members haven't found a single nugget of useful anti-impeachment information in the hearings so far does not bode well for Trump.
Trump's guilty. What's to leak in his favor? Anything that could paint the people being interviewed as 'rabid anti-Trump', inexperienced, deceitful, or crazy would have been leaked. Anything that contradicted what the initial whistleblower said - in fact, the testimony so far perfectly aligns with what the whistleblower said, giving him more credibility. Or if someone had nothing worthwhile to add to the investigation, that would have been called out by leakers.
Any little thing that could be spun in Trump's favor. So it's interesting there's mostly crickets coming from the GOP in attendance.
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Post by happyhoix on Nov 4, 2019 11:19:27 GMT -5
Over the weekend, I listened to talking heads on the TV box saying that some GOP members are agreeing that Trump did do a quid pro quo attempt, but that it's not 'bad' enough to raise to the level of impeachment.
Makes me wonder what the current GOP would consider bad enough to impeach a GOP president over. Probably, nothing would.
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Post by kadee79 on Nov 4, 2019 11:27:23 GMT -5
Over the weekend, I listened to talking heads on the TV box saying that some GOP members are agreeing that Trump did do a quid pro quo attempt, but that it's not 'bad' enough to raise to the level of impeachment.
Makes me wonder what the current GOP would consider bad enough to impeach a GOP president over. Probably, nothing would. I keep wondering what they will think when a Democratic President does this. If they set a president, then it's fair for all! They better be careful of what they decide is lawful or not, it WILL come back to bite them in the ass!
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 4, 2019 11:36:38 GMT -5
Over the weekend, I listened to talking heads on the TV box saying that some GOP members are agreeing that Trump did do a quid pro quo attempt, but that it's not 'bad' enough to raise to the level of impeachment.
Makes me wonder what the current GOP would consider bad enough to impeach a GOP president over. Probably, nothing would. I keep wondering what they will think when a Democratic President does this. If they set a president, then it's fair for all! They better be careful of what they decide is lawful or not, it WILL come back to bite them in the ass! It will be different when a D does it. Whatever it is, totally different.
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Today there was an opinion piece in the LA Times - www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-11-04/trump-impeachment-crime-cover-up-ukraine-clinton-nixonI was senior counsel in the Office of the Independent Counsel during the Clinton investigation, and I don’t want in any way to minimize the significance of the allegations against him. But in that case, Lewinsky’s contact with Clinton was consensual, however morally reprehensible on the president’s part. It was Clinton’s decision to obstruct justice by lying about his conduct under oath that led to his impeachment charge. Trump’s acts in soliciting Ukrainian interference in the political affairs of America are very different. His actions implicate him in the personal abuse of presidential authority. First, there is Trump’s use of his office to solicit an investigation of the son of his political opponent. This was a misuse of authority on several levels. At its most basic, the president should never be in the position of soliciting an investigation of an American citizen by a foreign nation. If a citizen has committed allegedly criminal acts, then the proper response is to ask the FBI to investigate. Second, it is a federal crime to solicit or receive a thing of value from a foreign national in aid of a federal election. According the head of the Federal Election Commission, an investigation of your political opponent (and receiving the resulting “dirt”) is a thing of value under the law. So, by asking for an investigation of Biden, Trump has directly committed acts that likely rise to the level of a high crime or misdemeanor. All this is true even before we consider whether the president’s withholding of political support and military aid as leverage to compel Ukraine’s assistance with the Biden inquiry constitutes a quid pro quo. If you add that context —the president withholding foreign aid funds authorized by Congress to advance his own political interest — the abuse of authority becomes even more palpable.
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Post by tbop77 on Nov 9, 2019 7:53:09 GMT -5
I cannot understand how the Republican senators can disregard their character and integrity to support President Trump. Thought this opinion piece was interesting: Now back to Peggy Noonan. In her piece in last Saturday's Wall Street Journal, she asked how history would view President Franklin Delano Roosevelt if, when asked by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill for help fighting the Nazis in 1940, he had conditioned that aid on the provision of dirt on Wendell Willkie, Roosevelt's eventual Republican opponent in the 1940 presidential election. We would be repulsed to learn this. Of course, Roosevelt never made such a Trumpian demand. He understood how vital the defense of Great Britain from the Nazi invasion was for humanity, for our ally and, ultimately, for American national security. Trump's demand manifested no such Rooseveltian understanding. In fact, Trump should have known that the act of soliciting assistance for his campaign from a foreign government, whether directly by him or indirectly by Giuliani, is defined as criminal under federal law – a high crime, as the Constitution puts it. He also should have known that refusing to perform a lawful duty, releasing the $391 million Congress had authorized until a personal favor comes his way, is also defined in federal law as criminal – bribery, as the Constitution puts it. www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-winston-favor-first
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 9, 2019 8:39:47 GMT -5
21 Republicans are retiring from Congress. I think the number that retired in 2018 was similar. Right now, it is Trump or die. Another set will be voted out for supporting Trump. Even if Trump gets another term, the party is splitting and will get increasingly worse as Trump gets closer to the end of his Presidency. It will be messy for a while, until someone strong enough to lead gets in there. It will have to be someone compelling enough to lead the voters and the Fox news narrative to a new place.
Democrats have a similar problem. If the radicals get Bernie in, he will eat the party in the exact same way Trump is messing with the GOP. if someone moderate wins the nomination, even if they don't become President, maybe the party can settle down. If someone who is touting very liberal policies now becomes President but moves moderate over the course of the general and the Presidency, there will be grumblings that maybe will be kept at bay for a while.
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