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Post by justme on May 16, 2019 12:48:41 GMT -5
Sweet home talibama It's not an oppressive regime if they wear a cross
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Post by hurley1980 on May 16, 2019 13:11:55 GMT -5
I only went to Canada once when I was a child, but I thought it was beautiful. I lived in Olympia, Washington at the time, and there was a big event that happened called "Hands Across the Border" where the US girl scouts had a day of fun and games with Canada's girl scouts. It was something I will never forget, and I have loved Canada ever since.
Plus, I'm getting pretty tired of the warm weather in California.
Hey, we had that here too!!!! Everyone lined up across the international bridge. Yup! It was a great experience! I wonder if they still do something like that?
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 16, 2019 13:14:32 GMT -5
My 19 yr old daughter and her college friends are so upset about how stupid this Alabama crap is. She posted "Until a baby comes out of a man's body, an opinion on abortion shouldn't come out of his mouth".
She is enraged and was reading me quotes that stupid, white male congressmen were posting.
Hopefully stupid crap the republicans are pulling will inspire more youth to get out and vote, and make a change. She said she and her friends talk about the climate, trade, etc. That our country is going downhill and she is tired of privileged men making the decisions.
I'm glad she is forming her own opinions and expressing them. That she cares about politics and what is going on in our country. That other youth are marching to protest gun violence and gun laws. That they aren't just self absorbed teens. And they will use social media to express their views in a positive manner and educate others.
Rather than twitter tweets like the king toddler who only calls people names and flies off the handle all the time.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 16, 2019 13:16:56 GMT -5
That a Dr can receive 99 yrs in prison for performing an abortion, yet a rapist doesn't receive anywhere near 99 years is absurd!
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Post by justme on May 16, 2019 13:21:06 GMT -5
My 19 yr old daughter and her college friends are so upset about how stupid this Alabama crap is. She posted "Until a baby comes out of a man's body, an opinion on abortion shouldn't come out of his mouth". She is enraged and was reading me quotes that stupid, white male congressmen were posting. Hopefully stupid crap the republicans are pulling will inspire more youth to get out and vote, and make a change. She said she and her friends talk about the climate, trade, etc. That our country is going downhill and she is tired of privileged men making the decisions. I'm glad she is forming her own opinions and expressing them. That she cares about politics and what is going on in our country. That other youth are marching to protest gun violence and gun laws. That they aren't just self absorbed teens. And they will use social media to express their views in a positive manner and educate others. Rather than twitter tweets like the king toddler who only calls people names and flies off the handle all the time.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 16, 2019 13:22:51 GMT -5
That a Dr can receive 99 yrs in prison for performing an abortion, yet a rapist doesn't receive anywhere near 99 years is absurd! How about a database of all male DNA? That way the gov't knows who to go after for support.
ETA - would probably help with the unsolved crime rate too.
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Post by spartyparty on May 16, 2019 13:34:28 GMT -5
Sweet home Talibama
Where my balls are never blue
Sweet home Talibama
Lord, I'm coming in you, here I come
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:42:47 GMT -5
The history on the topic in this state isn’t what I expected: “Senator Richard Stone, the Florida Democrat, used a similar anti‐abortion appeal in successfully attracting enough Catholic votes to help put him in office in 1974. The Wallace tactic, is said to be patterned after Senator Stone's.” “Alabama's law on abortion is considered one of the nation's most lenient. Abortion on demand has been available in Birmingham for several years.” www.nytimes.com/1976/03/03/archives/wallace-pressing-the-abortion-issue.html
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on May 16, 2019 14:34:53 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins.
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Post by swamp on May 16, 2019 14:42:56 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins. stop being rational. If we give wimmen birth control, they might go out and get jobs or something.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 14:44:50 GMT -5
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Post by swamp on May 16, 2019 14:51:51 GMT -5
That was November, old news. We're back to being the envy of the world.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 14:55:39 GMT -5
Just give up those baybees for adoption. There are 6,370 children in Alabama's foster-care system, according to Barry Spear, a spokesman for the Alabama Department of Human Resources. Of those, 176 children have foster parents and are awaiting adoption. Another 283 foster children are hoping to be adopted but have "no identified resource," Spear said. www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/health/alabama-treatment-of-living/index.html
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2019 15:16:33 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins. No you ignore millions of years of biology and evolution and just NEVER have sex unless you mean to procreate. But yet boys will be boys and simply cannot control their urges. Oh yeah that's right if a woman is TRULY raped then her body will reject the egg, if she gets pregnant clearly she meant yes. Wow I just went to a really dark place.
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Post by justme on May 16, 2019 15:23:20 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins. No you ignore millions of years of biology and evolution and just NEVER have sex unless you mean to procreate. But yet boys will be boys and simply cannot control their urges. Oh yeah that's right if a woman is TRULY raped then her body will reject the egg, if she gets pregnant clearly she meant yes. Wow I just went to a really dark place. I thought in Talibama the earth is only 5000 years old and evolution is poppycock?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on May 16, 2019 15:31:49 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins. I just found an article that partially answers why some anti-abortion activists aren't championing birth control. This is about another judicial confirmation for another federal judge: Senate Confirms Judge Who Said Planned Parenthood ‘Kills Over 150,000 Females A Year’
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Post by oped on May 16, 2019 15:33:49 GMT -5
Yeah, what is happening to the court system is vomitous.
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Post by movingforward on May 16, 2019 15:37:39 GMT -5
It still really just blows my mind that anti-abortion activists aren't working towards prevention of pregnancy by championing various methods of birth control (abstinence is not working). This would drastically reduce the need for abortions and everyone wins. No you ignore millions of years of biology and evolution and just NEVER have sex unless you mean to procreate. But yet boys will be boys and simply cannot control their urges. Oh yeah that's right if a woman is TRULY raped then her body will reject the egg, if she gets pregnant clearly she meant yes. Wow I just went to a really dark place. Pretty much what Jesse Helms (Republican Senator of NC) said several years ago. This is a man that was elected 6 times! I honestly don't know WTF is wrong with people...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 16, 2019 15:39:24 GMT -5
This is what we get when thoughts and beliefs are given "equal weight" to science and logic.
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Post by jelloshots4all on May 16, 2019 17:24:33 GMT -5
My 19 yr old daughter and her college friends are so upset about how stupid this Alabama crap is. She posted "Until a baby comes out of a man's body, an opinion on abortion shouldn't come out of his mouth". She is enraged and was reading me quotes that stupid, white male congressmen were posting. Hopefully stupid crap the republicans are pulling will inspire more youth to get out and vote, and make a change. She said she and her friends talk about the climate, trade, etc. That our country is going downhill and she is tired of privileged men making the decisions. I'm glad she is forming her own opinions and expressing them. That she cares about politics and what is going on in our country. That other youth are marching to protest gun violence and gun laws. That they aren't just self absorbed teens. And they will use social media to express their views in a positive manner and educate others. Rather than twitter tweets like the king toddler who only calls people names and flies off the handle all the time. I showed her this and she loved it! Especially since it was from Friends! Unless a man cuts me a check for $270,000 on the spot (the average cost of raising a child until the age of 18), no opinion. She recently did a paper and debate on this for college. She made so many spot on points today amidst her angst and passion.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 16, 2019 17:34:07 GMT -5
This is what we get when thoughts and beliefs are ignorance is given "equal weight" to science and logic. fixed.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 18:03:13 GMT -5
Anti-science. Anti-gay. Anti-female. Anti-mat leave. Anti-environment. Anti-universal health care. Yes, the third world United States is the envy of the planet.
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Post by oped on May 16, 2019 18:35:58 GMT -5
Overturning Roe doesn’t make abortion illegal. It would effectively deem laws banning abortion as constitutional. It would become a state issue then. So.., the same thing. Allowing it under the current rules is dangerous and gives nothing. Right.
I know they will fight it, and they should, but sometimes my schadenfreude rears it's head. This is going to end up on the SCOTUS docket before it's all said and done, and I'm not at all confident Roe won't be overturned. I also have little doubt that entire swaths of the country will jump at the chance to ban it out right.
I will always reject the notion that basic human rights are a "state's rights issue".
I agree. But just allowing it without challenge wouldeffectively do the same thing...
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Post by oped on May 16, 2019 18:36:33 GMT -5
Just give up those baybees for adoption. There are 6,370 children in Alabama's foster-care system, according to Barry Spear, a spokesman for the Alabama Department of Human Resources. Of those, 176 children have foster parents and are awaiting adoption. Another 283 foster children are hoping to be adopted but have "no identified resource," Spear said. www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/health/alabama-treatment-of-living/index.htmlAlso... got this on Facebook... Tara Noone 8 hrs I think the "well she could just give it up for adoption" folks are woefully ignorant of state laws regarding adoption and relinquishment of father's rights. States vary WIDELY in terms of how and under what circumstances they will allow a birth father's rights to be terminated. As a former adoption social worker, I know this territory very well. The divide falls roughly as you think it would, with southern states tipping the balance heavily in favor of the birth father, who can prevent adoption even if he has no plans to support the child. Here in California the law supports the pregnant woman most strongly. We are the only state I know of in which a judge may consider a documented history of domestic violence to allow a victim to choose adoption without the knowledge or consent of her abuser in order to keep her safe. Basically, in California it is the responsibility of the man to stick around long enough to know if he created a pregnancy. If he did not stick around (and we still make incredible legally-required and documented efforts to find him and inform him) his parental rights can be terminated without his participation. His unreachability is understood to be disinterest. There are special protections for members of the military so their rights cannot be terminated while they are deployed and if they are in jail we serve them there. If he shows up before an adoption is finalized he can still contest the adoption and has a chance to prove paternity and demonstrate to the court he has a viable parenting plan. California has reasonable standards for that plan and they cannot be "the baby can stay at my mom's." However, if he makes his case, the baby must be removed from the adoptive parents the mother chose and go to the birth father who may never have met the child. Even if the birth mother deemed him unfit and that is why she chose adoption in the first place. Even if he is less interested in the child and more interested in exerting lifelong control over an ex-partner. And, as we have seen in recent years in San Francisco, we have some judges who do not follow the law and create extralegal hurdles for adoption professionals to jump over to terminate the parental rights of missing or dangerous birth fathers. This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario ... well let me summarize a case I worked on in Mississippi. We were contacted by impoverished woman already supporting one child, 8 months pregnant and working at a restaurant she walked to and where she endured long shifts standing in slippers, the only footwear she owned. She shared an apartment with a male roommate who frightened her because it was all she could afford. She did not even own sheets to sleep on and the fridge was empty. She found one of our potential adoptive families on the internet and contacted us to make an adoption plan. Her former boyfriend had been recently incarcerated for a long sentence, more than 15 years. There was documentation of 11 other children around the state he had fathered yet had never supported. From prison, and with no possibility of parole in time to parent and no inclination to parent even if he was parolled, he was allowed to block the adoption plan. The law supported him forcing his ex to parent and there was literally no legal way for us to help her with an adoption plan. Because men's rights. The memory of that sweet, desperate woman and the thought of her and now two children being forced further into grinding poverty still wakes me up out of a sound sleep. I'll add that in TWO Mississippi adoptions I worked on 2013-2018, the babies died at the hospital. It used to be virtually unheard for babies with adoption plans to die. So to summarize, the states with the worst reproductive rights for women have highest maternal mortality rates, highest infant mortality rates, least participation in the ACA and Medicaid expansion, AND ARE THE HARDEST FOR A WOMAN TO PLACE A BABY FOR ADOPTION.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2019 20:38:14 GMT -5
They are taking that whole "state's rights" thing off the table when they wrote the clause that you will be prosecuted if you travel to another state for an abortion.
I wish we could find some way to transplant a fertilized egg from one uterus to another. The anti-abortion people can provide an unending supply of willing vessels to carry these babies.
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Post by justme on May 16, 2019 20:45:27 GMT -5
Except they wouldn't.
Exhibit A: all those foster kids that were born but not adopted.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 16, 2019 21:55:59 GMT -5
They are taking that whole "state's rights" thing off the table when they wrote the clause that you will be prosecuted if you travel to another state for an abortion. I wish we could find some way to transplant a fertilized egg from one uterus to another a man. The anti-abortion people can provide an unending supply of willing vessels to carry these babies. *Fixed*
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Post by justme on May 16, 2019 22:33:01 GMT -5
Not 100% it's truthfully attributed her (because found it on fb).
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Post by happyhoix on May 17, 2019 10:01:48 GMT -5
Just give up those baybees for adoption. There are 6,370 children in Alabama's foster-care system, according to Barry Spear, a spokesman for the Alabama Department of Human Resources. Of those, 176 children have foster parents and are awaiting adoption. Another 283 foster children are hoping to be adopted but have "no identified resource," Spear said. www.cnn.com/2019/05/16/health/alabama-treatment-of-living/index.htmlAlso... got this on Facebook... Tara Noone 8 hrs I think the "well she could just give it up for adoption" folks are woefully ignorant of state laws regarding adoption and relinquishment of father's rights. States vary WIDELY in terms of how and under what circumstances they will allow a birth father's rights to be terminated. As a former adoption social worker, I know this territory very well. The divide falls roughly as you think it would, with southern states tipping the balance heavily in favor of the birth father, who can prevent adoption even if he has no plans to support the child. Here in California the law supports the pregnant woman most strongly. We are the only state I know of in which a judge may consider a documented history of domestic violence to allow a victim to choose adoption without the knowledge or consent of her abuser in order to keep her safe. Basically, in California it is the responsibility of the man to stick around long enough to know if he created a pregnancy. If he did not stick around (and we still make incredible legally-required and documented efforts to find him and inform him) his parental rights can be terminated without his participation. His unreachability is understood to be disinterest. There are special protections for members of the military so their rights cannot be terminated while they are deployed and if they are in jail we serve them there. If he shows up before an adoption is finalized he can still contest the adoption and has a chance to prove paternity and demonstrate to the court he has a viable parenting plan. California has reasonable standards for that plan and they cannot be "the baby can stay at my mom's." However, if he makes his case, the baby must be removed from the adoptive parents the mother chose and go to the birth father who may never have met the child. Even if the birth mother deemed him unfit and that is why she chose adoption in the first place. Even if he is less interested in the child and more interested in exerting lifelong control over an ex-partner. And, as we have seen in recent years in San Francisco, we have some judges who do not follow the law and create extralegal hurdles for adoption professionals to jump over to terminate the parental rights of missing or dangerous birth fathers. This is the good case scenario. The bad case scenario ... well let me summarize a case I worked on in Mississippi. We were contacted by impoverished woman already supporting one child, 8 months pregnant and working at a restaurant she walked to and where she endured long shifts standing in slippers, the only footwear she owned. She shared an apartment with a male roommate who frightened her because it was all she could afford. She did not even own sheets to sleep on and the fridge was empty. She found one of our potential adoptive families on the internet and contacted us to make an adoption plan. Her former boyfriend had been recently incarcerated for a long sentence, more than 15 years. There was documentation of 11 other children around the state he had fathered yet had never supported. From prison, and with no possibility of parole in time to parent and no inclination to parent even if he was parolled, he was allowed to block the adoption plan. The law supported him forcing his ex to parent and there was literally no legal way for us to help her with an adoption plan. Because men's rights. The memory of that sweet, desperate woman and the thought of her and now two children being forced further into grinding poverty still wakes me up out of a sound sleep. I'll add that in TWO Mississippi adoptions I worked on 2013-2018, the babies died at the hospital. It used to be virtually unheard for babies with adoption plans to die. So to summarize, the states with the worst reproductive rights for women have highest maternal mortality rates, highest infant mortality rates, least participation in the ACA and Medicaid expansion, AND ARE THE HARDEST FOR A WOMAN TO PLACE A BABY FOR ADOPTION. I live in the South. There's a certain contingent that believes if you sin against God, you should be obligated to live a life of poverty so you can serve as a useful example of what happens to people who fall off the path of righteousness.
After all, if we helped unmarried women get an education, a well paying job, and a decent lifestyle, that wouldn't frighten other young women into behaving.
I love a lot of things about the South, but not the 'let God smite them for all to see' attitude some of them have.
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Post by thyme4change on May 17, 2019 10:32:25 GMT -5
If only the South had won the Civil War, then we would just have a backward ass neighbor instead of a backward ass region. Texas and AZ would also not be part of the US, so we would be building a Mason Dixon wall instead to keep out all the judgemental white racists.
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