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Post by justme on May 15, 2019 16:00:50 GMT -5
Oh they have daughters their sweet petunias would never open their legs for the boys.... they'd just do what the girls at my school were said to do to protect their virginity. Can't make a baby that way, but values intact! Just like Sarah Palin's daughter  Well she obviously did it the way that makes a baby! |
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Post by justme on May 15, 2019 16:04:35 GMT -5
I just read an editorial by a woman who said she was pregnant at 12 from rape/incest. Apparently her Dad was high up in the Police Department and either was the Rapist or was looking the other way. She said it was after 6 weeks when she took the pregnancy test, and she points out that if anyone that age is pregnant it is definitely rape/incest as someone that age can not legally give consent.
I think the Mother's life should take precedent. If he life is at risk, it should be up to her if she wants to abort or continue. I am Pro-Choice all the way though, but that is the big think that formed my opinion.
Why would we want a woman to risk her life carrying a pregnancy that is incompatible with life to full term? If she has other children, who will be responsible for their emotional and physical well being until they are 18? I've never figured out making abortion illegal doesn't fall under cruel and unusual punishment clause. Maternal mortality is high in the US and is getting higher. I don't see how the government can force a possible death sentence on you just for having sex. 23.8 deaths per 100k is a high rate of a death sentence for having done nothing illegal. And that doesn't included the non lethal disabilities possible. |
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 15, 2019 16:35:54 GMT -5
So according to this bill a heartbeat designates life. Then what happens at the end of life, when a heartbeat is being kept going only by a ventilator? If you look at a ventilator comparable to as a woman's body, the logical expectation is that Talibama is going to need to invest in a whole lot of ventilators to deal with end of life issues too, right? As long as you keep the heartbeat going, it's alive and you can do nothing to stop it. I've been told in the inferno that somehow that is a completely illogical argument. How do they rationalize this? |
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Post by happyhoix on May 15, 2019 16:43:25 GMT -5
Well, this might backfire on the GOP. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/alabama-vote-moves-abortion-to-the-center-of-2020-campaign/ar-AABp4O7
In their zeal to get an anti-abortion bill to the Supreme Court to reverse Roe vs Wade, the GOP might have handed the Dems their best 2020 campaign issue yet.
And poor Trump already has trouble getting the ladies to vote for him, so he's probably going to uncharacteristically stay quiet on this issue. Around 70% of voters approve of 1st trimester abortions, dropping to 60% in the second. (Unlike what Trump likes to claim, hardly anyone approves of it after the 2nd trimester, except in the case of danger to the mom). The Dems could make a lot of scary campaign ads using this issue.
Trump isn't the only one who can frighten people into action.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 16:48:41 GMT -5
packing the SCOTUS with religious conservatives is a disaster for women.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 15, 2019 16:49:56 GMT -5
packing the SCOTUS with religious conservatives is a disaster for women. I believe it is a disaster for the entire nation, not just the women! |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 16:51:56 GMT -5
packing the SCOTUS with religious conservatives is a disaster for women. I believe it is a disaster for the entire nation, not just the women! sure. but it is MORE of a disaster for women, imo.
do you need me to explain why?
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 15, 2019 16:58:23 GMT -5
If you think about all the ramifications from it, its going to be horrible, where do you draw the line? Doctors will leave there, no one will be able to afford malpractice insurance. People will be afraid to do xrays give certain medications or report health issues, they will be afraid they will be accused of something.
Believe it or not Pat Robertson even came out against it. He said that goes way to far, now there was a real surprise.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 15, 2019 16:59:28 GMT -5
I believe it is a disaster for the entire nation, not just the women! sure. but it is MORE of a disaster for women, imo.
do you need me to explain why?
No thank you. And, as you know, unlike most others on this board I have an easy out... Top that off with the fact that I only have male descendants (none of whom elected to stay here) and you can see that I personally have nothing to worry about. However, as a matter of principle it truly bugs me to no end. The total disrespect for the autonomy of women that is being shown in this country the last few years is mind boggling. |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 15, 2019 17:01:03 GMT -5
Apparently, none of these "decision-makers" have daughters. I wonder what happens when one of their own kids get raped. A sudden "vacation" to Europe, perhaps, so no one knows about their own abortions? Remember, bad things can happen to "good" people, too. Oh they have daughters their sweet petunias would never open their legs for the boys.... they'd just do what the girls at my school were said to do to protect their virginity. Can't make a baby that way, but values intact! Fortunately, if you swallow a watermelon seed, watermelons won't grow inside you. |
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Post by justme on May 15, 2019 17:03:46 GMT -5
I've been told in the inferno that somehow that is a completely illogical argument. How do they rationalize this? Mostly by saying I'm wrong. I also pointed out the other implication in that would mean as soon as your heartbeat stops you'd be officially dead. No resuscitation. |
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Post by justme on May 15, 2019 17:07:07 GMT -5
Oh they have daughters their sweet petunias would never open their legs for the boys.... they'd just do what the girls at my school were said to do to protect their virginity. Can't make a baby that way, but values intact! Fortunately, if you swallow a watermelon seed, watermelons won't grow inside you. In my school the rumor/talk was usually the other other hole. 😳 |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 15, 2019 17:09:06 GMT -5
Fortunately, if you swallow a watermelon seed, watermelons won't grow inside you. In my school the rumor/talk was usually the other other hole. 😳 Oh. planting corn seeds.  |
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Post by justme on May 15, 2019 17:11:59 GMT -5
In my school the rumor/talk was usually the other other hole. 😳 Oh. planting corn seeds. Omg I have never heard that before. |
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Post by Tennesseer on May 15, 2019 17:19:05 GMT -5
Oh. planting corn seeds. Omg I have never heard that before. It's related to another name for that particular sex act. |
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Post by dondub on May 15, 2019 17:37:20 GMT -5
And a popular yard game!😎
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Post by countrygirl2 on May 15, 2019 19:53:47 GMT -5
You know I used to think the US was smarter then other countries, we were well educated, and had lots of common sense, and a work ethic.
Now I don't know what to say, we are the idiots of the world, getting dumber I guess. And we put in people at the top that are destroying our country. It's a good thing I'm old, if young again, I'm not sure I would want to remain in this country. It no longer represents my beliefs in many things and democracy is slipping away from us.
Women aren't even second class citizens more like Saudis. How long before we wear abayas, have to have a male escort us, can't drive, hell lets add chastity belts. I am in shock of what I'm seeing the last few years. I am mourning for what we have lost and what may be coming yet.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 20:19:22 GMT -5
we haven't got dumber.
but we haven't gotten any smarter since approximately June 14th, 1954.
meanwhile, the rest of the world HAS gotten smarter. and they are slowly leaving us behind.
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Post by oped on May 15, 2019 21:11:53 GMT -5
I believe it is a disaster for the entire nation, not just the women! sure. but it is MORE of a disaster for women, imo.
do you need me to explain why?
If you don't think we won't burn this mother fucker to the ground on the way out... |
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Post by weltschmerz on May 15, 2019 21:26:09 GMT -5
we haven't got dumber.
but we haven't gotten any smarter since approximately June 14th, 1954.
meanwhile, the rest of the world HAS gotten smarter. and they are slowly leaving us behind.
Is that the date of In God We Trust or One Nation Under God"? |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 22:33:14 GMT -5
sure. but it is MORE of a disaster for women, imo.
do you need me to explain why?
If you don't think we won't burn this mother fucker to the ground on the way out... meet u in Malta? |
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2019 22:33:46 GMT -5
we haven't got dumber.
but we haven't gotten any smarter since approximately June 14th, 1954.
meanwhile, the rest of the world HAS gotten smarter. and they are slowly leaving us behind.
Is that the date of In God We Trust or One Nation Under God"? this is what I love about Canadians.
they know our history better than we do.
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Post by TheHaitian on May 16, 2019 4:08:16 GMT -5
What is it with conservative GOP politicians and their mistresses abortions?
I thought you were talking about this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais Not only did he pressure his mistress to get an abortion, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse. That was way back in 2011, he's still in office to this day.
Plus, he looks like the Addams Family Uncle Fester.
They sure love to make rules on what other people can do, don't they?
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Post by Cheesy FL-Vol on May 16, 2019 8:14:04 GMT -5
What is it with conservative GOP politicians and their mistresses abortions?
I thought you were talking about this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais Not only did he pressure his mistress to get an abortion, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse. That was way back in 2011, he's still in office to this day.
Plus, he looks like the Addams Family Uncle Fester.
They sure love to make rules on what other people can do, don't they?
So ANY man who now makes his wife/mistress/ex/daughter/sister get an abortion will also get thrown in prison for aiding and abetting a murder? |
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 16, 2019 8:17:42 GMT -5
Alabama’s Extremist Abortion Bill Ruins John Roberts’ Roe Plan
SCOTUS was all teed up to quietly gut America’s abortion rights. Then Alabama happened. One could feel sorry for Chief Justice John Roberts. He is, after all, caught in an unsightly squeeze play between anti-abortion zealots in Alabama, and slightly less wild-eyed anti-abortion zealots in Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee, and Indiana (the court seems unable to make a decision on whether to grant the Indiana petition it has been sitting on for months now). There’s finally a five-justice majority within striking distance of a decades-long dream to overturn Roe v. Wade, and the anti-choice activists are getting ahead of themselves like slurring drunks at a frat party and making everything more transparently nasty than it need be.
There are easy and near invisible ways for the high court to end Roe. That has always been, and remains, the logical trajectory. As Mark Joseph Stern has shown, when Brett Kavanaugh came onto the court, with his dog whistles and signaling around reproductive rights, it became clear that he would guide the court to simply allow states to erect more and more barriers to abortion access (dolphin-skin window coverings on every clinic!). The five justices in the majority would do it all while finding ways to say that such regulations were not an “undue burden” on a woman’s right to choose. The courts and state legislatures could continue their lilting love songs to the need for the states to protect maternal health and to help confused mommies make good choices, and nobody need dirty their hands by acknowledging that the real goal of three decades’ worth of cumbersome clinic regulations and admitting privileges laws were just pretexts for closing clinics and ending abortion altogether.
But the state of Alabama runs now to the Supreme Court with its mask of tender solicitude for women and their health askew. The briefest look at the debate as Alabama on Tuesday passed the cruelest and most punitive abortion regulation in modern American history shows exactly how much concern they have for the health of pregnant women or the suffering of future children: Republican Sen. Clyde Chambliss, who sponsored the ban in the Senate, issued a press release claiming that “Roe v. Wade has ended the lives of millions of children. While we cannot undo the damage that decades of legal precedence under Roe have caused, this bill has the opportunity to save the lives of millions of unborn children.” Also in that press release: “Life and liberty are not man given; they are given by our Creator. Today, Alabama made clear that we will protect our rights and the rights of our unborn children.” This is not about maternal health or the safe practice of medicine, and it never was. It’s about God. That makes things awkward for John Roberts.
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Post by chiver78 on May 16, 2019 8:22:06 GMT -5
What is it with conservative GOP politicians and their mistresses abortions?
I thought you were talking about this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais Not only did he pressure his mistress to get an abortion, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse. That was way back in 2011, he's still in office to this day.
Plus, he looks like the Addams Family Uncle Fester.
They sure love to make rules on what other people can do, don't they?
So ANY man who now makes his wife/mistress/ex/daughter/sister get an abortion will also get thrown in prison for aiding and abetting a murder? of course not, they would have to find him guilty of aiding and abetting a murder. or something like that. |
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on May 16, 2019 8:22:10 GMT -5
What is it with conservative GOP politicians and their mistresses abortions?
I thought you were talking about this guy:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_DesJarlais Not only did he pressure his mistress to get an abortion, his ex-wife accused him of physical abuse. That was way back in 2011, he's still in office to this day.
Plus, he looks like the Addams Family Uncle Fester.
They sure love to make rules on what other people can do, don't they?
So ANY man who now makes his wife/mistress/ex/daughter/sister get an abortion will also get thrown in prison for aiding and abetting a murder? Of course not. Only those evil women and the doctors who aid and abet them get that. |
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Post by spartyparty on May 16, 2019 9:48:29 GMT -5
"this bill has the opportunity to save the lives of millions of unborn children"
My children are thankful for abortion...most likely wouldn't be walking this earth if their mother would have been forced to have a baby (years before I ever met her).
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