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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 26, 2019 22:49:12 GMT -5
The GOP senator majority leader, Mitch McConnell, is against releasing the full report to the public. The GOP controls the senate. McConnell's spouse is trump's U.S. secretary of transportation. From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 26, 2019 23:32:37 GMT -5
The GOP senator majority leader, Mitch McConnell, is against releasing the full report to the public. The GOP controls the senate. McConnell's spouse is trump's U.S. secretary of transportation. From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
The key word in my opening sentence is "Full". McConnell blocks resolution to release full Mueller reportSenate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has blocked a non-binding resolution to make special counsel Robert Mueller's full report public. The big picture: The resolution was passed unanimously in the House, and President Trump himself said earlier Monday that it "wouldn't bother [him] at all" if the full report was released. McConnell cited national security concerns for his decision to block the resolution, and he argued that Attorney General Bill Barr should have time to decide what's made public. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who put forth the resolution, said that it does not specify a time frame. link
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 27, 2019 7:15:32 GMT -5
It was Trump being investigated. And he is still far from being in the clear. You know that right? The reason he is calling everyone from John McCain to "The Press" the enemies of the people is to distract from that you know. well, at least we won't have to continually hear about Mueller being a "democrat plant" for the next 20 years. Yep, now he is a Republican plant put there by Trump.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 27, 2019 7:38:42 GMT -5
The GOP senator majority leader, Mitch McConnell, is against releasing the full report to the public. The GOP controls the senate. McConnell's spouse is trump's U.S. secretary of transportation. From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
In recent history, when the DOJ has investigated a president, the DOJ has always deferred the decision of whether to indict the president to Congress. The report would be released, Congress would debate, and then vote. Some have suggested that Mueller wasn't 'unable' to decide if Trump should be indicted for obstruction, but purposely left that open ended giving Congress the responsibility to make that decision.
Bucking that trend, Barr decided to make this decision on his own, within 48 hours, after he and Rosenstein reviewed the report. That flies in the face of the usual DOJ practice, but goes along with Barr's previous statement that he didn't believe a sitting president could be indicted. Which means, regardless of what Trump does, it will never be bad enough to lead to an indictment, according to Barr.
Understandably, given Mueller's language in his letter about 'not exonerating' Trump for obstruction, Congress wants to see the report for themselves. I don't blame them. Trump racing about like Rocky, fist pumping about how he was 'totally exonerated' when, in fact, he was not exonerated on all the parts of the Mueller report, only made it worse. If the House Dems don't get it soon, I think they'll force Mueller to come in and lay out his reasons for not exonerating Trump for obstruction. Which should be very interesting.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 27, 2019 7:56:53 GMT -5
From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
The key word in my opening sentence is "Full". McConnell blocks resolution to release full Mueller reportSenate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has blocked a non-binding resolution to make special counsel Robert Mueller's full report public. The big picture: The resolution was passed unanimously in the House, and President Trump himself said earlier Monday that it "wouldn't bother [him] at all" if the full report was released. McConnell cited national security concerns for his decision to block the resolution, and he argued that Attorney General Bill Barr should have time to decide what's made public. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who put forth the resolution, said that it does not specify a time frame. linkSo wait for the report to come out and see how much is redacted. If you've got bits and pieces cut out--a name here, a few sentences there, a classified e-mail or two--these are consistent with national security edits and we should hold our peace. If you've got swaths of text or entire sections cut, then you can board the "What are they hiding?" train without looking like an alarmist. Even then you shouldn't worry. Democratic congressmen are going to read the full contents of the report by hook or by crook, and if the GOP somehow managed to stymie all attempts, it would scream "coverup" and destroy any sense of vindication the report has thus far earned them. I don't think the GOP is so devious, but it's conceivable they'll sit on the report just long enough for Democrats, the MSM, et al. to whip themselves up into a speculative frenzy, then put the whammy on them a second time by releasing a barely-redacted and highly unremarkable report. It would compound the earlier humiliation and help cement the message that Democrats and the media are hopeless Trump-hating conspiracy theorists. That's what you should be worried about.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2019 9:48:55 GMT -5
well, at least we won't have to continually hear about Mueller being a "democrat plant" for the next 20 years. Yep, now he is a Republican plant put there by Trump. Republican? yes Plant? not exactly Put there by Trump? not at all. put there by another Republican with Republican support.
personally, i cheered the appointment of Mueller, and think he did an excellent job. of course, my position has been 100% consistent since day one. unlike many of my former colleagues.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 27, 2019 10:05:19 GMT -5
The key word in my opening sentence is "Full". McConnell blocks resolution to release full Mueller reportSenate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has blocked a non-binding resolution to make special counsel Robert Mueller's full report public. The big picture: The resolution was passed unanimously in the House, and President Trump himself said earlier Monday that it "wouldn't bother [him] at all" if the full report was released. McConnell cited national security concerns for his decision to block the resolution, and he argued that Attorney General Bill Barr should have time to decide what's made public. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who put forth the resolution, said that it does not specify a time frame. linkSo wait for the report to come out and see how much is redacted. If you've got bits and pieces cut out--a name here, a few sentences there, a classified e-mail or two--these are consistent with national security edits and we should hold our peace. If you've got swaths of text or entire sections cut, then you can board the "What are they hiding?" train without looking like an alarmist. Even then you shouldn't worry. Democratic congressmen are going to read the full contents of the report by hook or by crook, and if the GOP somehow managed to stymie all attempts, it would scream "coverup" and destroy any sense of vindication the report has thus far earned them. I don't think the GOP is so devious, but it's conceivable they'll sit on the report just long enough for Democrats, the MSM, et al. to whip themselves up into a speculative frenzy, then put the whammy on them a second time by releasing a barely-redacted and highly unremarkable report. It would compound the earlier humiliation and help cement the message that Democrats and the media are hopeless Trump-hating conspiracy theorists. That's what you should be worried about.
I'm not too worried about that. If there was nothing that could be proven, like the collusion charges, I think Mueller would have declared that up front. The fact that Mueller refused to make a determination makes me think there was evidence on both sides that at least merited discussion.
I think the GOP's better strategy would be to quickly release the lightly redacted document ASAP. If Barr drags his feet and dances around, or if Trump tries to bury it where it can't see the light of day, the Dems will pull Mueller into congress to testify and ask him point blank why he couldn't exonerate Trump on the obstruction charges. IMHO that would be worse - for one thing, fewer people are likely to read the report, but Mueller testifying on the Hill would be prime time TV, and the Dems would be right there fanning the flames for the camera.
But 82% of voters think the Mueller report should be made public. If Trump tries to hide it, it would be a mistake in 2020.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 10:48:11 GMT -5
From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
In recent history, when the DOJ has investigated a president, the DOJ has always deferred the decision of whether to indict the president to Congress. The report would be released, Congress would debate, and then vote. Some have suggested that Mueller wasn't 'unable' to decide if Trump should be indicted for obstruction, but purposely left that open ended giving Congress the responsibility to make that decision.
Bucking that trend, Barr decided to make this decision on his own, within 48 hours, after he and Rosenstein reviewed the report. That flies in the face of the usual DOJ practice, but goes along with Barr's previous statement that he didn't believe a sitting president could be indicted. Which means, regardless of what Trump does, it will never be bad enough to lead to an indictment, according to Barr.
Understandably, given Mueller's language in his letter about 'not exonerating' Trump for obstruction, Congress wants to see the report for themselves. I don't blame them. Trump racing about like Rocky, fist pumping about how he was 'totally exonerated' when, in fact, he was not exonerated on all the parts of the Mueller report, only made it worse. If the House Dems don't get it soon, I think they'll force Mueller to come in and lay out his reasons for not exonerating Trump for obstruction. Which should be very interesting.
A little ways back it was collusion,, collusion,, collusion,, now its Obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, Don't fall off that horse, changing horse in the middle of the river! So what will be the next great "what ever" if they don't prove obstruction?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 27, 2019 10:58:17 GMT -5
I'm not too worried about that. If there was nothing that could be proven, like the collusion charges, I think Mueller would have declared that up front. The fact that Mueller refused to make a determination makes me think there was evidence on both sides that at least merited discussion. I agree there's probably some skeletons in there, although not because of Mr. Mueller's behaviour. Everything he's done thus far seems like the usual lawyerly pro forma base covering following a politically charged investigation that didn't return universally welcome conclusions. But anything is possible.
There could be a Grade A impeachable-but-Mueller-didn't-want-to-be-the-one-to-say-it Trump-and-Putin-dancing-the-Kozachok nuclear strength bombshell in there just waiting to leap out and end the Democrats' waking nightmare. It's not a crime to dream.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2019 11:01:01 GMT -5
In recent history, when the DOJ has investigated a president, the DOJ has always deferred the decision of whether to indict the president to Congress. The report would be released, Congress would debate, and then vote. Some have suggested that Mueller wasn't 'unable' to decide if Trump should be indicted for obstruction, but purposely left that open ended giving Congress the responsibility to make that decision.
Bucking that trend, Barr decided to make this decision on his own, within 48 hours, after he and Rosenstein reviewed the report. That flies in the face of the usual DOJ practice, but goes along with Barr's previous statement that he didn't believe a sitting president could be indicted. Which means, regardless of what Trump does, it will never be bad enough to lead to an indictment, according to Barr.
Understandably, given Mueller's language in his letter about 'not exonerating' Trump for obstruction, Congress wants to see the report for themselves. I don't blame them. Trump racing about like Rocky, fist pumping about how he was 'totally exonerated' when, in fact, he was not exonerated on all the parts of the Mueller report, only made it worse. If the House Dems don't get it soon, I think they'll force Mueller to come in and lay out his reasons for not exonerating Trump for obstruction. Which should be very interesting.
A little ways back it was collusion,, collusion,, collusion,, now its Obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, Don't fall off that horse, changing horse in the middle of the river! So what will be the next great "what ever" if they don't prove obstruction?
when the investigation started, it was ONLY collusion. now it is ONLY obstruction.
you can't obstruct an investigation before it has begun.
so yeah, that makes perfect sense.
the answer to your question is: nothing. if he is cleared of obstruction, the CORE of the Mueller investigation will be over.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 27, 2019 11:06:13 GMT -5
A little ways back it was collusion,, collusion,, collusion,, now its Obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, Don't fall off that horse, changing horse in the middle of the river! So what will be the next great "what ever" if they don't prove obstruction?
I think Mr. Mueller is starting to look a little Russian, don't you? Robert Swan Mueller III.
A lot of swans over in Russia. Russia has III federal cities. ...
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 11:12:35 GMT -5
A little ways back it was collusion,, collusion,, collusion,, now its Obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, Don't fall off that horse, changing horse in the middle of the river! So what will be the next great "what ever" if they don't prove obstruction?
I think Mr. Mueller is starting to look a little Russian, don't you? Robert Swan Mueller III.
A lot of swans over in Russia. Russia has III federal cities. ...
Geeeees, do we get to investigate Mueller now for collusion??
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 27, 2019 13:58:26 GMT -5
The GOP senator majority leader, Mitch McConnell, is against releasing the full report to the public. The GOP controls the senate. McConnell's spouse is trump's U.S. secretary of transportation. From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
That is the same McConnell who voted to release the Whitewater report within 48 hours of its disclosure, in full on the internet for all to see, after a FOUR YEAR investigation right?
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 27, 2019 15:10:36 GMT -5
From The Hill: But McConnell objected, noting that Attorney General William Barr is working with Mueller to determine what in his report can be released publicly and what cannot.
"The special counsel and the Justice Department ought to be allowed to finish their work in a professional manner," McConnell said. "To date, the attorney general has followed through on his commitments to Congress. One of those commitments is that he intends to release as much information as possible."
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Schumer added after McConnell's objection that the resolution didn't say the report should be released "immediately" but just that it ought to be released.
"I'm sort of befuddled by the majority leader's reasoning in this regard because it is not in the words of this resolution," he said.
But McConnell countered that the president has had to wait two years while the investigation was ongoing and "it's not unreasonable to give the special counsel and the Justice Department just a little time to complete their review in a professional and responsible manner."
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, quickly backed McConnell up in a tweet.
The GOP-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee passed legislation during the previous Congress that would protect Mueller from being fired, but it wasn't taken up on the Senate floor amid opposition from McConnell and other GOP senators. From where I'm sitting, it seems like both parties politicking for optics. The Democrats putting forward a "solution looking for a problem", as Sen. Rubio puts it, and Sen. McConnell refusing to play nice. If he actually does something to block the release of the report at some point, then it'll be a topic worth discussing.
That is the same McConnell who voted to release the Whitewater report within 48 hours of its disclosure, in full on the internet for all to see, after a FOUR YEAR investigation right? Do you mean the report with the graphic details of sexual encounters between Clinton and the infamous intern?
Yes, I believe that is the same McConnell.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 27, 2019 15:40:58 GMT -5
... the infamous intern? ... I don't think she deserves the "infamous" label.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 27, 2019 15:46:18 GMT -5
... the infamous intern? ... I don't think she deserves the "infamous" label. I meant infamous meaning 'well known but not for reasons she probably likes.'
I should probably rephrase as 'the unfortunate intern.'
You notice I didn't use her name - she should be allowed to stay out of the public view.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 27, 2019 16:13:05 GMT -5
That is the same McConnell who voted to release the Whitewater report within 48 hours of its disclosure, in full on the internet for all to see, after a FOUR YEAR investigation right? - We don't know if this is an apples-to-apples comparison. An investigation into WH dalliances isn't likely to have the same nation security hazards as an investigation into influence by foreign agents. We also don't know if the two reports were in an identical state of pre-disclosure sanitization.
- Sen. McConnell might well have been in error to vote for a hasty release then.
- Even if Sen. McConnell is temporizing for political reasons rather than genuine concern for national safety, it doesn't mean he's "against releasing the full report to the public". Wait for him to do something that actually blocks release of the report before you get out your torches and pitchforks.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 27, 2019 17:10:51 GMT -5
That is the same McConnell who voted to release the Whitewater report within 48 hours of its disclosure, in full on the internet for all to see, after a FOUR YEAR investigation right? - We don't know if this is an apples-to-apples comparison. An investigation into WH dalliances isn't likely to have the same nation security hazards as an investigation into influence by foreign agents. We also don't know if the two reports were in an identical state of pre-disclosure sanitization.
- Sen. McConnell might well have been in error to vote for a hasty release then.
- Even if Sen. McConnell is temporizing for political reasons rather than genuine concern for national safety, it doesn't mean he's "against releasing the full report to the public". Wait for him to do something that actually blocks release of the report before you get out your torches and pitchforks.
White Water <> WH dalliances
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 27, 2019 17:32:04 GMT -5
- We don't know if this is an apples-to-apples comparison. An investigation into WH dalliances isn't likely to have the same nation security hazards as an investigation into influence by foreign agents. We also don't know if the two reports were in an identical state of pre-disclosure sanitization.
- Sen. McConnell might well have been in error to vote for a hasty release then.
- Even if Sen. McConnell is temporizing for political reasons rather than genuine concern for national safety, it doesn't mean he's "against releasing the full report to the public". Wait for him to do something that actually blocks release of the report before you get out your torches and pitchforks.
White Water <> WH dalliances Ah. Yes. Right. Still, same principle.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 27, 2019 21:12:34 GMT -5
... the infamous intern? ... I don't think she deserves the "infamous" label. OK famous, How many years, every one instantly recognizes her name..
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 28, 2019 8:13:16 GMT -5
Democrats hanging their hats on "OBSTRUCTION!!"
I assume they learned nothing about "BENGHAZI" And if you believe there is obstruction here as conservatives claimed in Benghazi, I have a public bridge I want to sell you over the Peace river in Florida. It's HHUUGGEE!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 28, 2019 10:09:15 GMT -5
Democrats hanging their hats on "OBSTRUCTION!!" I assume they learned nothing about "BENGHAZI" And if you believe there is obstruction here as conservatives claimed in Benghazi, I have a public bridge I want to sell you over the Peace river in Florida. It's HHUUGGEE! Dems more likely will hang their hat on healthcare and trump wanting the SCOTUS totally kill it. Somehow I remember trump stating he wanted to protect pre-existing conditions. Right now I don't see it in trump/Republican's replacement healthcare plan. In fact there is no trump/Republican health care plan at all.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2019 10:44:41 GMT -5
Democrats hanging their hats on "OBSTRUCTION!!" I assume they learned nothing about "BENGHAZI" sure they did. there was no special prosecutor for Benghazi.
hopefully the Republicans learned something from Benghazi.
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Post by dezii on Mar 28, 2019 11:08:32 GMT -5
Democrats hanging their hats on "OBSTRUCTION!!" I assume they learned nothing about "BENGHAZI" And if you believe there is obstruction here as conservatives claimed in Benghazi, I have a public bridge I want to sell you over the Peace river in Florida. It's HHUUGGEE! Dems more likely will hang their hat on healthcare and trump wanting the SCOTUS totally kill it. Somehow I remember trump stating he wanted to protect pre-existing conditions. Right now I don't see it in trump/Republican's replacement healthcare plan. In fact there is no trump/Republican health care plan at all. The man is evil.....a rapest too.....
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 28, 2019 14:08:22 GMT -5
Dems more likely will hang their hat on healthcare and trump wanting the SCOTUS totally kill it. Somehow I remember trump stating he wanted to protect pre-existing conditions. Right now I don't see it in trump/Republican's replacement healthcare plan. In fact there is no trump/Republican health care plan at all. The man is evil.....a rapest too..... Not proven a rapist but definitely a sexual assaulter (in his own words).
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Post by dezii on Mar 28, 2019 21:33:35 GMT -5
The man is evil.....a rapest too..... Not proven a rapist but definitely a sexual assaulter (in his own words). Correct technically but a fact that he paid $160, 000 as a payoff for a sexual act to be not exposed...one can imagine pressure being brought on a prostitute [a law violator...influential folks and the Donald definitely is one, can exert tremendous pressure and in the case of the young lady...it seems, according to her, the Donald did threated her and dire consequences against her family if she ever revealed the attack... There are many other threads regarding this and other incidents available...if needed, though this one is pretty complete.....Naturally his base and supporters don't care about these incidents...In their minds just the Donald being Donald... I do wonder if the same incidents were done against family members if they would be so blaze about the same thing being done to their people. ------------------------------------- splinternews.com/here-are-all-the-times-donald-trump-has-been-accused-of-1793860459
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 28, 2019 21:52:54 GMT -5
Not proven a rapist but definitely a sexual assaulter (in his own words). Correct technically but a fact that he paid $160, 000 as a payoff for a sexual act to be not exposed...one can imagine pressure being brought on a prostitute [a law violator...influential folks and the Donald definitely is one, can exert tremendous pressure and in the case of the young lady...it seems, according to her, the Donald did threated her and dire consequences against her family if she ever revealed the attack... There are many other threads regarding this and other incidents available...if needed, though this one is pretty complete.....Naturally his base and supporters don't care about these incidents...In their minds just the Donald being Donald... I do wonder if the same incidents were done against family members if they would be so blaze about the same thing being done to their people. ------------------------------------- splinternews.com/here-are-all-the-times-donald-trump-has-been-accused-of-1793860459What's the matter dezii, the collusion and obstruction thing not working out for you ,, so you clear back to this thing. here is something to cheer you up!! Woooo Hooooo, Trump is Making America Great Again!!!
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 28, 2019 21:59:37 GMT -5
Why oh why do liberals hate success so much? Why the self hatred of your successes with this Administration?
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Post by dondub on Mar 28, 2019 22:42:40 GMT -5
There isn’t a liberal I know, or have even heard of, here in one of America’s liberal bastions, that hates their success.
What there seems to be plenty of though are Repo-Cons that lump together and then stereotype liberals based on the lack of success of their biased thought processes.
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