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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2019 18:46:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it's in a combined shot these days, but they give so many at once that I'm not sure. Someone else here will probably know what that combination is.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 23, 2019 21:45:21 GMT -5
I remember the pink sugar cube in school, but that may have been a booster to taking the shot earlier. I think you are right. I remember the sugar cube vaccine and that it was called a booster. I remember going for that in the 1960s. I got the first vaccine in the early 1950s, and was definitely an injection. The sugar cube came later. I had to get another booster before an overseas assignment in the 1980s, but I can't remember whether it was a shot or the sugar cube. I don't recall whether the sugar cube vaccine was strictly a booster or actually replaced the injection vaccine for those who were getting it for the first time. How is the initial polio vaccine administered now? I never kids, so I only have my own experience to draw on. DPT. Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus
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Post by steph08 on Feb 23, 2019 21:54:32 GMT -5
IPV is the polio vaccine, and it is administered four times - all by shots.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 23, 2019 21:59:47 GMT -5
I think you are right. I remember the sugar cube vaccine and that it was called a booster. I remember going for that in the 1960s. I got the first vaccine in the early 1950s, and was definitely an injection. The sugar cube came later. I had to get another booster before an overseas assignment in the 1980s, but I can't remember whether it was a shot or the sugar cube. I don't recall whether the sugar cube vaccine was strictly a booster or actually replaced the injection vaccine for those who were getting it for the first time. How is the initial polio vaccine administered now? I never kids, so I only have my own experience to draw on. DPT. Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus Sorry. I belong to the “ brain fart” club.
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Post by flutterby on Feb 24, 2019 8:00:59 GMT -5
I seem to remember both my kids getting the oral version of the polio vaccine. Do they only do shots now?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 24, 2019 11:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by justme on Feb 25, 2019 22:45:44 GMT -5
Did that show up right?
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Post by mmhmm on Feb 26, 2019 5:26:23 GMT -5
I seem to remember both my kids getting the oral version of the polio vaccine. Do they only do shots now? Yes. That's been true in the US since 2000.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Feb 26, 2019 10:30:53 GMT -5
I seem to remember both my kids getting the oral version of the polio vaccine. Do they only do shots now? Yes. That's been true in the US since 2000. I just pulled out my old shot record, which is really long since we were stationed overseas and I got shots most didn’t. I have both OPV and IPV listed on mine, and I was born in 1959. I was also immunized against smallpox 3 times.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Feb 26, 2019 10:46:25 GMT -5
Yes. That's been true in the US since 2000. I just pulled out my old shot record, which is really long since we were stationed overseas and I got shots most didn’t. I have both OPV and IPV listed on mine, and I was born in 1959. I was also immunized against smallpox 3 times.I've had smallpox shot 2 times. I don't have a shot record but this thread reminds me that I still have my son's record so just out of curiosity I'll drag it out and see what is on it. He was born in 66.
I had full blown chicken pox and just on the tail end of it I had full blown mumps. I missed a month of the first grade - that's all I remember except I know I had measles when around 8 or 9 - Broke out after a piano recital - probably infected lots of folks since I was running fever but wouldn't tell anyone since I was hell bent on being in the recital
Now that I think about it, my son had mumps and measles (three day measles) before 1st grade and had chicken pox in 3rd grade. Geeze, I thought they were giving shots for that back then, maybe not. I know he had to have some shots before going to school. Off to dig out the old stuff.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2019 10:56:09 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 26, 2019 11:38:19 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well. (Very) fair point.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 26, 2019 12:27:13 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well to hell. I am sorry but I just had to fix this typo
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 26, 2019 17:13:29 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well. Yes, but I can believe that they thought they were following trained medical advice. I would convict them of ignorance, but I wish the herbalist was going to prison for life.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 27, 2019 9:59:58 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well. Yes, but I can believe that they thought they were following trained medical advice. An herbalist is not a trained medical professional. They were prescribed insulin by a doctor and refused to give it to their son. And if I was told the medicine I received from a doctor was "poison", I think I'd get a second opinion from another doctor rather than immediately go "OMG what? Please tell me what I should do, person who hasn't gone through medical school or residency!" *the snark isn't at you, it's at the gullibility and willful ignorance of people in our society.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 27, 2019 10:19:40 GMT -5
Yes, but I can believe that they thought they were following trained medical advice. An herbalist is not a trained medical professional. They were prescribed insulin by a doctor and refused to give it to their son. And if I was told the medicine I received from a doctor was "poison", I think I'd get a second opinion from another doctor rather than immediately go "OMG what? Please tell me what I should do, person who hasn't gone through medical school or residency!" *the snark isn't at you, it's at the gullibility and willful ignorance of people in our society.
I don't disagree. But it feels wrong to give your child a half dozen shots a day. 1-2 of which truly do hurt them, plus the finger sticks, not leaving the house without juice or frosting, because those items are now vital for keeping your kid alive. It feels wrong, and if you didn't get a great education on the what and why's of the disease it would feel even unbelievable. Pharma, big medical, and the insurance we have for them is a system that is broken in a lot of ways. I can see how someone could be tricked. The parents paid the ultimate price for their poor choices and will live in their own personal hell for the rest of their lives. This herbalist is getting 4 months probation and is still hawking his bullshit natural cures that killed this kid. He doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. He's a murderer as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 27, 2019 10:22:46 GMT -5
Yes, but I can believe that they thought they were following trained medical advice. An herbalist is not a trained medical professional. They were prescribed insulin by a doctor and refused to give it to their son. And if I was told the medicine I received from a doctor was "poison", I think I'd get a second opinion from another doctor rather than immediately go "OMG what? Please tell me what I should do, person who hasn't gone through medical school or residency!" *the snark isn't at you, it's at the gullibility and willful ignorance of people in our society.
I really pity the parents, their grief and feeling of responsibility has got to be overwhelming (of course, I could just be projecting onto myself). At the same time, there is a point where being a moron crosses a line into criminal culpability. If the victim had been a mentally disabled adult or an elderly grandparent that they were caring for then I think they would have been charged. The fact that the victim was their child and they get to decide what's best, even if it results in death, is outrageous.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 27, 2019 10:35:05 GMT -5
An herbalist is not a trained medical professional. They were prescribed insulin by a doctor and refused to give it to their son. And if I was told the medicine I received from a doctor was "poison", I think I'd get a second opinion from another doctor rather than immediately go "OMG what? Please tell me what I should do, person who hasn't gone through medical school or residency!" *the snark isn't at you, it's at the gullibility and willful ignorance of people in our society.
I really pity the parents, their grief and feeling of responsibility has got to be overwhelming (of course, I could just be projecting onto myself). At the same time, there is a point where being a moron crosses a line into criminal culpability. If the victim had been a mentally disabled adult or an elderly grandparent that they were caring for then I think they would have been charged. The fact that the victim was their child and they get to decide what's best, even if it results in death, is outrageous. Exactly. I'm finding it difficult to feel any pity for the parents, though. They could see that their child was in extreme distress, yet they waited for "permission" from the quack to call 911. They apparently believed the quack's outrageous claim that if the child were taken to the hospital, he would be killed there. What kind of idiot believes that? If they really did believe that, it is a level of stupidity or gullibility that should be considered criminal. I can't help wondering how much the fact that mother benefited financially from "referring" people victims to the quack influenced their choices.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 27, 2019 10:35:28 GMT -5
An herbalist is not a trained medical professional. They were prescribed insulin by a doctor and refused to give it to their son. And if I was told the medicine I received from a doctor was "poison", I think I'd get a second opinion from another doctor rather than immediately go "OMG what? Please tell me what I should do, person who hasn't gone through medical school or residency!" *the snark isn't at you, it's at the gullibility and willful ignorance of people in our society.
I don't disagree. But it feels wrong to give your child a half dozen shots a day. 1-2 of which truly do hurt them, plus the finger sticks, not leaving the house without juice or frosting, because those items are now vital for keeping your kid alive. It feels wrong, and if you didn't get a great education on the what and why's of the disease it would feel even unbelievable. Pharma, big medical, and the insurance we have for them is a system that is broken in a lot of ways. I can see how someone could be tricked. The parents paid the ultimate price for their poor choices and will live in their own personal hell for the rest of their lives. This herbalist is getting 4 months probation and is still hawking his bullshit natural cures that killed this kid. He doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. He's a murderer as far as I'm concerned. Don't know if you've heard about Buzzy but I believe it is quite effective in dulling the pain of shots. buzzyhelps.com/products/buzzy%C2%AE-mini-personal?gclid=Cj0KCQiAh9njBRCYARIsALJhQkEiZAiMTuePa8Z6XjYRt8nc99YpjO0XGuokEXrn0KOOhxV3alrAiCAaAskqEALw_wcB
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Post by Tiny on Feb 27, 2019 10:42:57 GMT -5
I really pity the parents, their grief and feeling of responsibility has got to be overwhelming (of course, I could just be projecting onto myself). At the same time, there is a point where being a moron crosses a line into criminal culpability. If the victim had been a mentally disabled adult or an elderly grandparent that they were caring for then I think they would have been charged. The fact that the victim was their child and they get to decide what's best, even if it results in death, is outrageous. Exactly. I'm finding it difficult to feel any pity for the parents, though. They could see that their child was in extreme distress, yet they waited for "permission" from the quack to call 911. They apparently believed the quack's outrageous claim that if the child were taken to the hospital, he would be killed there. What kind of idiot believes that? If they really did believe that, it is a level of stupidity or gullibility that should be considered criminal. I can't help wondering how much the fact that mother benefited financially from "referring" people victims to the quack influenced their choices. Don't underestimate the power that people give to an 'authority' or someone they give 'authority' to. (and the fear that drives it). It's not quite the right reference for this - but don't discount the Milgram experiments. Human nature sometimes damns us. People do terrible things even though they are not terrible people because they will not go against an 'authority' (or fear of that authority). We do what we're told.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 27, 2019 10:59:31 GMT -5
and the parents need to go as well. Yes, but I can believe that they thought they were following trained medical advice. I would convict them of ignorance, but I wish the herbalist was going to prison for life. 4 months probation? For murder? How about practicing medicine without a license? I hope these parents cannot have more children.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 27, 2019 11:42:57 GMT -5
I don't disagree. But it feels wrong to give your child a half dozen shots a day. 1-2 of which truly do hurt them, plus the finger sticks, not leaving the house without juice or frosting, because those items are now vital for keeping your kid alive. It feels wrong, and if you didn't get a great education on the what and why's of the disease it would feel even unbelievable. Pharma, big medical, and the insurance we have for them is a system that is broken in a lot of ways. I can see how someone could be tricked. The parents paid the ultimate price for their poor choices and will live in their own personal hell for the rest of their lives. This herbalist is getting 4 months probation and is still hawking his bullshit natural cures that killed this kid. He doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. He's a murderer as far as I'm concerned. Don't know if you've heard about Buzzy but I believe it is quite effective in dulling the pain of shots. buzzyhelps.com/products/buzzy%C2%AE-mini-personal?gclid=Cj0KCQiAh9njBRCYARIsALJhQkEiZAiMTuePa8Z6XjYRt8nc99YpjO0XGuokEXrn0KOOhxV3alrAiCAaAskqEALw_wcBLantus hurts because of the ph of the insulin. It isn't the needle stick that really hurts but the insulin entering the body. We didn't use the buzzy, but we used a pad with sharp-ish nubs on it to lift the skin to help with the actual needle stick pain. They get desentisized to that pretty quickly, but some still hurt of course. We use a topical lidocaine to numb the skin now for pump and sensor changes. Those are a bigger injection that just a shot and we typically know when they're going to happen so we can plan an extra 45 minutes in to numb it.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 27, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -5
raeoflyte - poor kid that's a lot to go through. I think I mentioned before that I had a childhood friend with Type 1. She's now a thriving 45 year old woman who regularly spends weeks cycling throughout Europe (she's a teacher so has a long summer break). I obviously don't know her daily routine but she certainly presents as happy and healthy.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 27, 2019 12:19:54 GMT -5
raeoflyte - poor kid that's a lot to go through. I think I mentioned before that I had a childhood friend with Type 1. She's now a thriving 45 year old woman who regularly spends weeks cycling throughout Europe (she's a teacher so has a long summer break). I obviously don't know her daily routine but she certainly presents as happy and healthy. It is more than a kid should have to deal with, but we're thankful that he can grow up and lead a normal- even if complicated life. Always good to hear from adults with it that are doing well. I'm hoping we can do the cure de tour this summer. He hasn't really bonded with other T1d kids, but he likes meeting adults with it and being able to talk to them. And I'm not excusing the parents in this case, but I do understand the need for a miracle. We are so lucky to live 30 minutes from the leading diabetes research center who handles his care. They dropped everything to spend hours educating us so he wouldn't have to spend a weekend in the hospital. I like to think that most people--even if not by that kind of resources get a decent education, but I also know it isn't true. Kids in the hospital being diagnosed will have doctors tell them they can eat one thing and then nurses flip out and take trays away. Poor education on what causes and how to treat lows. The article doesn't state when the child was diagnosed, but I'm not sure it matters. 13 year olds aren't exactly known for following instructions and from talking to parents and reading I expect the teen years to be very difficult. Rebelling against their required medical care is very common. It's exhausting for kids and parents. I can definitely see a perfect storm happening that would leave parents clinging to a miracle cure.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 27, 2019 16:04:52 GMT -5
Exactly. I'm finding it difficult to feel any pity for the parents, though. They could see that their child was in extreme distress, yet they waited for "permission" from the quack to call 911. They apparently believed the quack's outrageous claim that if the child were taken to the hospital, he would be killed there. What kind of idiot believes that? If they really did believe that, it is a level of stupidity or gullibility that should be considered criminal. I can't help wondering how much the fact that mother benefited financially from "referring" people victims to the quack influenced their choices. Don't underestimate the power that people give to an 'authority' or someone they give 'authority' to. (and the fear that drives it). It's not quite the right reference for this - but don't discount the Milgram experiments. Human nature sometimes damns us. People do terrible things even though they are not terrible people because they will not go against an 'authority' (or fear of that authority). We do what we're told. White coat syndrome. It's why beauticians in stores like Dillards wear them. We're programmed to take people in lab coats seriously.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 28, 2019 10:32:53 GMT -5
A nice thing the city of Providence, Rhode Island does for children receiving treatment at the city's Hasbro Children’s Hospital.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 28, 2019 11:20:39 GMT -5
On the local news this morning there was a story about measles and a vaccination conference taking place. They talked to a local pediatrician (actually in my girls' practice!) but then they interviewed a man attending the conference who claims that vaccinations have directly led to an increase in auto-immune diseases. They left his statement unchallenged and then went onto the next story
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 2, 2019 6:20:05 GMT -5
On the local news this morning there was a story about measles and a vaccination conference taking place. They talked to a local pediatrician (actually in my girls' practice!) but then they interviewed a man attending the conference who claims that vaccinations have directly led to an increase in auto-immune diseases. They left his statement unchallenged and then went onto the next story I hope you and others “blew up” that news station with phone calls and posts on their website!
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