MJ2.0
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 18, 2019 18:34:27 GMT -5
even if there was actually a chance that some vaccinations could possibly lead to autism, wouldn't it be better to have an autistic child than a dead child?
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Post by chapeau on Feb 18, 2019 20:34:50 GMT -5
even if there was actually a chance that some vaccinations could possibly lead to autism, wouldn't it be better to have an autistic child than a dead child? Come on, don't you know that herd immunity will protect them? I had to hang up on a guy at work one time who called to complain about PA thinking about disallowing the philosophical objection to vaccines. He kept telling me that "there was absolutely no documented evidence that any vaccine has ever saved a life." I kept repeating that millions of people hadn't died from diseases that used to kill people. It was either hang up on him or tell him that perhaps it would have been better if he'd been born before routine vaccinations so that he'd be dead and not around to spread his stupidity. Two of my grandmother's 10 sisters died of things that are now preventable (or at least reduced in severity) due to vaccines. Her youngest sister was born the day the sister who died of tetanus was buried. She had fallen and cut her knee. She was 12. My mother's best friend as a child died of polio and my mom remembers the little casket in the window of the funeral home and people walking by outside the window to pay their respects (since this was before they knew how it spread and they weren't sure if the body was contagious). She remembers my grandmother sinking to her knees on the kitchen floor and crying when they announced over the radio that there was a polio vaccine. People are really stupid. It's a shame that the parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids can't be un-vaccinated. And then exposed to ALL THE DISEASES.
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Post by nittanycheme on Feb 18, 2019 20:45:30 GMT -5
even if there was actually a chance that some vaccinations could possibly lead to autism, wouldn't it be better to have an autistic child than a dead child? Come on, don't you know that herd immunity will protect them? I had to hang up on a guy at work one time who called to complain about PA thinking about disallowing the philosophical objection to vaccines. He kept telling me that "there was absolutely no documented evidence that any vaccine has ever saved a life." I kept repeating that millions of people hadn't died from diseases that used to kill people. It was either hang up on him or tell him that perhaps it would have been better if he'd been born before routine vaccinations so that he'd be dead and not around to spread his stupidity. Two of my grandmother's 10 sisters died of things that are now preventable (or at least reduced in severity) due to vaccines. Her youngest sister was born the day the sister who died of tetanus was buried. She had fallen and cut her knee. She was 12. My mother's best friend as a child died of polio and my mom remembers the little casket in the window of the funeral home and people walking by outside the window to pay their respects (since this was before they knew how it spread and they weren't sure if the body was contagious). She remembers my grandmother sinking to her knees on the kitchen floor and crying when they announced over the radio that there was a polio vaccine. People are really stupid. It's a shame that the parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids can't be un-vaccinated. And then exposed to ALL THE DISEASES.
well, if most of them were born after about 1975, smallpox could make a comeback. I got my vaccine in 1973 even though they were phasing it out - my dr when I was young was a older doctor (he retired when I was about 5 or 6) and I expect he gave it to all his patients that he could since I'm sure he saw some active cases during his practice. That isn't a disease you forget either.....
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 18, 2019 22:21:34 GMT -5
even if there was actually a chance that some vaccinations could possibly lead to autism, wouldn't it be better to have an autistic child than a dead child? My grandma and I were talking about this. She said we're "spoiled" by the success of vaccines so now we take things for granted and have begun to over think and the benefits of vaccines no longer seem to outweigh the "risks" She said at her age... no contest. She's seen the outcome of these diseases pre vaccine. She remembers public pools closing and how terrified she was for my dad. She remembers the line out the door to get the vaccine. She said the relief when my father was finally vaccinated was something I'll never comprehend. None of this is new. There has always been backlash against vaccination. The bigger problem is thanks to the internet they can feed and grow to a global movement. We're in for a world of hurt when herd immunity breaks down. These people need to read about the 1918 flu and what happened to the natives when Europeans showed up. "It's not that bad" right now because there are enough immune people to keep virulence in check. Once that's gone and the virus is free to mutate all bets are off. I suppose I'll tell those people it's "natural.selection" and shrug my shoulders just like they do. Bet that justification won't fly when it's their loved ones who are sick.
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Post by justme on Feb 18, 2019 22:41:34 GMT -5
It'll be easy pickings for the Darwin awards.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 19, 2019 16:25:43 GMT -5
I remember my mom and her sister probably talking about my cousin with polio and me asking, “ what’s polio?” Both of them got so emotional that they had to stop driving the car. They grew up terrified of it and now to have children clueless as to what it was had to seem like a miracle.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 19, 2019 17:02:42 GMT -5
I grew up in the days of polio. Yes, swimming pools were closed. Mom made us rest every afternoon during the summer.
When the vaccine finally came out, it was giving at one place in the city and the lines were long. We stood in line and got our vaccines in the form of a cube of sugar.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 20, 2019 9:22:06 GMT -5
If any of you are interested, there is a podcast called Behind the Bastards. He is doing the anti-vax movement now. He said he was going to focus on Wakefield, but after researching the long, long history of the anti-vax movement, he decided to start in the 1600's. I found it very interesting, if you are looking to burn an hour. Just as a warning he uses quite a bit of bawdy language.
Also - his series on Alex Jones was fantastic.
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Post by gs11rmb on Feb 20, 2019 9:29:55 GMT -5
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 20, 2019 10:35:07 GMT -5
If any of you are interested, there is a podcast called Behind the Bastards. He is doing the anti-vax movement now. He said he was going to focus on Wakefield, but after researching the long, long history of the anti-vax movement, he decided to start in the 1600's. I found it very interesting, if you are looking to burn an hour. Just as a warning he uses quite a bit of bawdy language. Also - his series on Alex Jones was fantastic. If you're a reader you might like the book Ghost Map which is about the London cholera epidemic. He draws a lot of parallels between how that was handled and the current public health issues we're facing.
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Post by 1Day@aTime on Feb 20, 2019 10:43:09 GMT -5
My chiropractor is anti-vacc and he has a few kids. If it wasn't for the convenience factor of his practice and well, he is a nice guy overall, I'd find another place. He doesn't talk to me specifically about it (because I don't have kids), but I've overheard his conversations with others. He basically believes that keeping ourselves in alignment keeps our immune systems fully functioning and therefore no need for any vaccines because our bodies will successfully fight off anything that is thrown at it. For the record, if I had kids they would definitely be vaccinated.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 20, 2019 12:07:55 GMT -5
This lady makes a very interesting point about vaccinations and the "logic" surrounding not doing it. www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/opinions/measles-outbreak-anti-vaccine-movement-disability-sjunneson-henry/index.html But with frequency, people tell me that vaccines will cause a disability in their children. They tell me the vaccine that prevents my disability and the deaths of other people and their children is just too dangerous. Because it causes a different disability. It's just not true. And that's one slice of what ableism looks like. The vaccination debate isn't formed around being supportive of living people or protecting the herd. It hasn't been formed around real dangers. It has been formed around the idea, held by many, that having a disabled child, an autistic child, is the worst thing that could ever happen to you.
Measles is the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths in the world, according to Dr. Paul Offit's book, "Vaccinated." What that means is that people are willfully putting others at risk of death because they think autism is a worse fate -- and therefore worth that risk that others might die.
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Post by tractor on Feb 21, 2019 22:42:12 GMT -5
I really don’t know if I was vaccinated as a child. I think I was, but I remember having chicken pox, measles and mumps (still have photos). I’m not that old, and my mom wasn’t anti-vax so maybe I was just one of the lucky ones 🤷♂️
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Post by justme on Feb 21, 2019 22:44:07 GMT -5
I really don’t know if I was vaccinated as a child. I think I was, but I remember having chicken pox, measles and mumps (still have photos). I’m not that old, and my mom wasn’t anti-vax so maybe I was just one of the lucky ones 🤷♂️ The chicken pox vaccine isn't that old. I think the late 90s? I know I got it around 1990 and it wasn't out yet.
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Post by tractor on Feb 21, 2019 22:52:25 GMT -5
I really don’t know if I was vaccinated as a child. I think I was, but I remember having chicken pox, measles and mumps (still have photos). I’m not that old, and my mom wasn’t anti-vax so maybe I was just one of the lucky ones 🤷♂️ The chicken pox vaccine isn't that old. I think the late 90s? I know I got it around 1990 and it wasn't out yet. That would make sense, I was a child of the 70’s...
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 21, 2019 23:15:58 GMT -5
My chiropractor is anti-vacc and he has a few kids. If it wasn't for the convenience factor of his practice and well, he is a nice guy overall, I'd find another place. He doesn't talk to me specifically about it (because I don't have kids), but I've overheard his conversations with others. He basically believes that keeping ourselves in alignment keeps our immune systems fully functioning and therefore no need for any vaccines because our bodies will successfully fight off anything that is thrown at it. For the record, if I had kids they would definitely be vaccinated.
Yeah, I know someone who thinks that as long as her chakras are aligned, she won't catch anything.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2019 5:46:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I got bitched at by DD for not getting her the chicken pox vaccine. Uh, kid you were born in 1989 and the vaccine wasn’t available before you got chicken pox. Sorry. The only time she gets on FB is to mock the anti vaxxers
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 22, 2019 6:55:40 GMT -5
I want to say it was the late 90s maybe early 2000 when it came out. I got the first dose. Somehow getting back for the second one was messed up. I got it again years later when I was going to Jamaica.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2019 8:19:23 GMT -5
I really don’t know if I was vaccinated as a child. I think I was, but I remember having chicken pox, measles and mumps (still have photos). I’m not that old, and my mom wasn’t anti-vax so maybe I was just one of the lucky ones 🤷♂️ The chicken pox vaccine isn't that old. I think the late 90s? I know I got it around 1990 and it wasn't out yet. It was out in the 90s but not mandatory. Most of us our age likely had already contracted. My brother just missed out. He was born in 1990 but I gave him the chicken pox at age two.
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 22, 2019 9:11:46 GMT -5
Chicken pox vaccine came out in mid-1995. And I know the exact year because of ages of my kids.
I worked for the big pharma company that developed the vaccine. We had been hearing about development and testing for years. And I was excited that my kids wouldn’t have to get chicken pox.
Well when youngest was 6 months I got shingles. Ped said baby wouldn’t catch chicken pox from me. 2 weeks later he had it. Very mild case - the younger you get it the milder it is. He was so young he couldn’t even scratch. 2 weeks later the other 2 got it. Still pretty mild, they were 2 and 4 yo.
A few months later in 1995 vaccine was released. It was not required when my kids started school, but when youngest transferred to a college his junior year they required it. We got his doctor to sign exemption, even though he had no record of son having chicken pox since I didn’t take him to doctor for it.
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Post by justme on Feb 22, 2019 9:25:40 GMT -5
The chicken pox vaccine isn't that old. I think the late 90s? I know I got it around 1990 and it wasn't out yet. It was out in the 90s but not mandatory. Most of us our age likely had already contracted. My brother just missed out. He was born in 1990 but I gave him the chicken pox at age two. Yea I was born in 86 and got it from my older bro. My mom pretty much was like well I don't want to deal with chickenpox twice lol and didn't do anything to keep us apart. I googled, the vaccine was approved in the US in 1995.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 22, 2019 11:22:13 GMT -5
Thanks to the anti vaxxer’s parents vaccinating them, they’re alive to not vaccinate their children.
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Post by NastyWoman on Feb 22, 2019 12:52:04 GMT -5
I am quite proud to say that by the time he reached age 1 DGS-2 was almost up to date on his shots (he absolutely is now half a year later). Mind you this is the child that had open heart surgery at 6 months, so there were some challenges along the road. But DDIL and DS2 figured protecting him as much as possible from any of the preventable diseases was the way to go and he got his scheduled shots whenever his cardiologist and pediatrician felt it was safe for him - even before the surgery.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 22, 2019 13:03:04 GMT -5
The son of one of my best friends is a doctor. He and his wife did have their kids vaccinated and they both got chicken pox at the same time.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 23, 2019 9:25:26 GMT -5
Today in history, Febuary 23, 1954: "1954: First mass inoculation of polio vaccine takes place Developed by Jonas Salk and a team at the University of Pittsburgh, the vaccine is used on a group of children at Arsenal Elementary School in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S." Today In History
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Feb 23, 2019 10:12:55 GMT -5
I remember the pink sugar cube in school, but that may have been a booster to taking the shot earlier.
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Post by dannylion on Feb 23, 2019 14:55:33 GMT -5
I remember the pink sugar cube in school, but that may have been a booster to taking the shot earlier. I think you are right. I remember the sugar cube vaccine and that it was called a booster. I remember going for that in the 1960s. I got the first vaccine in the early 1950s, and was definitely an injection. The sugar cube came later. I had to get another booster before an overseas assignment in the 1980s, but I can't remember whether it was a shot or the sugar cube. I don't recall whether the sugar cube vaccine was strictly a booster or actually replaced the injection vaccine for those who were getting it for the first time. How is the initial polio vaccine administered now? I never had kids, so I only have my own experience to draw on.
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