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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 11:48:45 GMT -5
We did the delayed schedule with dd. I didn't like giving ds 5 shots in 1 day (oh the irony!), so we spaced hers out, but she still had everything "on time" just a few extra visits. There is research that says that getting the flu might be one of, or the last trigger that causes T1D when you have all the other triggers. That fits with ds, and we get flu shots, but that year he got it literally days before his appointment for the vaccine. Ex 1.0's mother is convinced a virus going around triggered her son's diabetes. There was a rash of kids that all were diagnosed with it at about the same time after something had made the rounds.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 13, 2019 11:53:50 GMT -5
We did the delayed schedule with dd. I didn't like giving ds 5 shots in 1 day (oh the irony!), so we spaced hers out, but she still had everything "on time" just a few extra visits. There is research that says that getting the flu might be one of, or the last trigger that causes T1D when you have all the other triggers. That fits with ds, and we get flu shots, but that year he got it literally days before his appointment for the vaccine. Did your ped have a well baby day to get infants in for immunizations, or were you with the rest of the ped population in the waiting room? More visits to the peds = more exposure to disease. I remember needing to go to the ped because I was sick.....really sick. I had turned 12 the day before, and was most insulted that I was still at the baby doctor. So while I waited, my mom had dragged me to the far corner of the waiting room, away from all the kids/toddlers, but it didn’t stop the mobile kids from doing drive bys near us. As it turned out, I had a massive case of scarlet fever. I wondered if I ever infected any of those kids. No ped, we see a gp that serves a high lgbt community. At the time we were the only family with kids. Now they have 1 or 2 other families with kids, but I've never seen any when we're there.
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Post by oped on Mar 13, 2019 12:50:51 GMT -5
That's interesting Mich. Like with most things, i doubt any of this is explainable by one cause. Too many things correlate and I'm guessing that it is most likely a combination of many things that results in things like increases in autism and allergies. Some of them are environmental, some physiological, some social, etc. and we gather perfect storms. I didn’t say it was. But most people consider cleaner is better and this is not necessarily so. My point in posting this is that our immune systems are bombarded by antigens 24/7, not only b6 injecting it under our skin, but what we breathe, eat, hits our eyes and noses, genitals and any other mucosal tissues. All of these contain systems of immunity that allow us to mount an immune response. So assuming that a single dose of an antigen injected under your skin is too much for our immune systems is a fallacy. Here is an example.....each time you get your teeth cleaned, you effectively immunize yourself with roughly 700 different species of microbes at that time. You can very clearly demonstrate this by doing a pre and 3 month post cleaning blood draw (some of my very early research). It happens to a lesser extent when you brush your teeth too. Just because it is a needle going under the skin, it is merely a more controlled way of exposing an immune system to a microbe. Incidentally, this also occurs once your child gets its first tooth. Infants quickly mount immune responses to those bacteria in their blood once their first tooth appears, and usually it has similar patterns of their primary caregiver. So while there is some flexibility in immunizations, there is really no flexibility in getting kids in regularly for immunizations.....especially when they need a series of immunizations, like for DTaP and Hep B. Once a kid reaches the age of around 1-2, they start being taken to the doctor only yearly for well child exams, and the idea of getting them into the doctor 3 times in 6 months becomes more difficult. Any other visits to a doctor are usually those for illnesses, which is not an appropriate time for vaccinations. And I didn't say you did say it was. Most (all?) are done on a MINIMUM basis... ie. you have to wait AT LEAST 6 weeks before giving another, etc. (as someone was saying that 2 doses as once do not do anything)... for instance 6 months is a minimum spread for Hep B... it doesn't have to be given within 6 months max immunity just isn't considered to be reached until the third dose. It doesnt mean you have none, nor does it mean you have to restart it if you go past 6 months .
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Post by oped on Mar 13, 2019 12:53:26 GMT -5
As for being dirty I can't remember what age it was when the kids started arguing they didn't need to clean their rooms because it was better for their immune systems not to....
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Post by saveinla on Mar 13, 2019 20:49:20 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/measles-rockland-county.htmlWith New York State facing one of its most severe measles outbreaks in decades, public health officials in a suburban community took the extraordinary step in December of banning unvaccinated students from attending school, regardless of whether they had received religious or medical exemptions for the vaccine.
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Post by oped on Mar 13, 2019 21:06:02 GMT -5
It is too bad about those kids with a true medical need to exempt.
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Post by justme on Mar 13, 2019 22:09:58 GMT -5
Definitely not ok with those having true medical reasons not to get vaccines being excluded. Religious or personal - sure keep em home.
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Post by NastyWoman on Mar 14, 2019 0:05:48 GMT -5
Definitely not ok with those having true medical reasons not to get vaccines being excluded. Religious or personal - sure keep em home. Close but no cigar. It should be "sure put the family in mandatory quarantine. The only exception should be medical. And fake medical exceptions should be severely punished - you know those would come since there would be a buck to be made.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 14, 2019 13:00:45 GMT -5
Definitely not ok with those having true medical reasons not to get vaccines being excluded. Religious or personal - sure keep em home. I get it. If measles is going around and you legit can't be vaccinated there is nothing anyone can do for you. Measles is VERY contagious. It sucks but it's probably best to stay as far as heck away from the situation as possible. Hopefully they can work out something once the situation is contained that these kids can then come back. Those that oppose it on religious or "philosophical grounds" as a new Iowa bill puts it. .. well then you can home school. You shouldn't get to put all the kids that have a legitimate medical reason for not being vaccinated at risk.
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Post by justme on Mar 14, 2019 13:07:08 GMT -5
Definitely not ok with those having true medical reasons not to get vaccines being excluded. Religious or personal - sure keep em home. I get it. If measles is going around and you legit can't be vaccinated there is nothing anyone can do for you. Measles is VERY contagious. It sucks but it's probably best to stay as far as heck away from the situation as possible. Hopefully they can work out something once the situation is contained that these kids can then come back. Those that oppose it on religious or "philosophical grounds" as a new Iowa bill puts it. .. well then you can home school. You shouldn't get to put all the kids that have a legitimate medical reason for not being vaccinated at risk. If they send the ones that can't medically get the vaccine home then they should do something so those kids can continue school - the parents and kids no doubt wish they could vaccinate. I'm with you on telling the others to home school though.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 14, 2019 14:23:11 GMT -5
A friend of mine is the director of a PH department, in a rural, but well heeled area where a lot of parents have taken the philosophical exception route....so they have a very high rate of non vaccinated kids. Some of the stories she told me are mind boggling.
For instance, she refused to let 5 graduating seniors walk the stage, or attend their HS graduation. They had not been vaccinated and had no measles titers. All 5 of the seniors rode a bus where one of the kids had measles. The seniors were not allowed in school either. She said she had some royally pissed off parents. But she could not allow them out until the incubation period passed.
She had a small business owner who had also been exposed to the measles and my friend quarantined her for the incubation time. She was mad as a wet hen and threatened to open up her business to the public. Apparently, the threat of posting a police guard caused her to back down.
These were just the most recent cases she told me about, but have to wonder if the repercussions of these events changed their minds about vaccination. It’s easy to have philosophical reasons for not vaccinating, until it impacts something you want to do, and cannot.
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Post by justme on Mar 14, 2019 14:44:39 GMT -5
It took me several reads before I stopped saying "WTF is a PH department" and realized what it was.
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Post by oped on Mar 14, 2019 21:48:02 GMT -5
So, I can’t really find this info, but I assume all the people catching measles in the new outbreaks are unvaccinated?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Mar 14, 2019 21:53:24 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Mar 14, 2019 23:30:14 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/nyregion/measles-rockland-county.htmlWith New York State facing one of its most severe measles outbreaks in decades, public health officials in a suburban community took the extraordinary step in December of banning unvaccinated students from attending school, regardless of whether they had received religious or medical exemptions for the vaccine. About time
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