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Post by moon/Laura on Jan 15, 2019 14:35:37 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is?
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jan 15, 2019 14:36:58 GMT -5
Good question.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jan 15, 2019 15:40:24 GMT -5
My guess/fear is that there IS nothing that would sway them. And that says a lot. None of it good.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jan 15, 2019 16:30:45 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies and blatant racism isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? Obvious on the slimeball. Stiffing contractors, access Hollywood tape, walking in on dressing teenagers for his pageants.... It wasn't that they didn't know, they didn't care. Same goes for Russia, stomping on free press, being a bully. It's not that they don't see it all. They just don't care. IMO the question isn't what would it take. The question is why don't you care.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 16:46:10 GMT -5
I never could have imagined George Will and Steve Schmidt leaving the party but here we are.
I think they holdouts are primarily:
1. One issue voters on things like abortion and guns.
2. Those that would never vote Democrat no matter what.
3. People enamored by a bully
4. People that can’t admit they are wrong.
5. Those getting their pockets lined.
6. People that enjoy letting a mongoose loose in the henhouse and seeing the system in chaos.
The good news is those people aren’t the majority, the bad news it is still a helluva lot of people.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jan 15, 2019 17:11:09 GMT -5
He's not a woman or minority. I'm starting to think that's about it because he's doing an awful lot of stuff others have been hated on but apparently it's okay now.
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Post by phil5185 on Jan 15, 2019 17:13:54 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. Capitalism is highly dependent upon Creative Destruction. Whenever an innovation is actualized, it replaces/destroys entire industries. To build cars, you needed to destroy the horse industry, the jobs of harness makers, farriers, livery barns. Trains destroyed the stagecoach businesses. Electricity replaced lanterns, gas engines in factories, steam power in factories. Milking machines displaced milkmaids. Refrigerators replaced ice chests (daily ice delivery). Automation/Computers replaced all kinds of menial laboring jobs, house work, cooking, etc. And 1000s of other examples of innovations that destroyed/replaced the 'old' ways. And in nearly all cases, years later the new generation would not want to go back to the old ways. Politically, the US has been moving toward Socialism - avoiding innovation, trying to keep the status-quo, avoiding the creative destruction of existing systems. A recent example is the financial system, the 22,000 Dodd Frank regulations almost stopped the flow of capital that feeds innovation & business. Another eg is climate control - the Left wants to write a carbon-tax Law.
So - if the price of getting rid of anti-business, anti-capitalist, regulatory overreach requires that I hear a few vulgarities, crude remarks, and some exaggerations, I'm happy to pay the price. As for the Far-Left count of 'actual' lies (what is it, about 6000 now?) - I have no trouble with that at all. Sorry folks, a misstatement and an exaggeration do not count as lies. I'm very pleased with what Pres Trump is doing for us - but I am saddened that most people seem to be unable to grasp that.
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 15, 2019 17:15:25 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? I don't think you're gonna get any answers from Trump fans on here. They don't want to admit that there is nothing Trump could ever do that would make them turn on him.
He could shoot a person in the middle of 5th Avenue.....
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Post by hurley1980 on Jan 15, 2019 17:16:27 GMT -5
Well, look at that! I stand corrected. Phil for commenting!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2019 17:17:42 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? I don't think you're gonna get any answers from Trump fans on here. They don't want to admit that there is nothing Trump could ever do that would make them turn on him.
He could shoot a person in the middle of 5th Avenue.....
He could rape a nun and beat a puppy to death on the White House lawn, and they'll still support him. "Doesn't matter. He's keeping his promises. He's my guy! MAGA!"
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 15, 2019 17:20:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the answer phil5185 I get what you're saying about not being bothered by the "exaggerations and misstatements". I alluded to it in another thread, too much attention goes to the fluff and the tweets, not enough to the real issues. Doesn't Trumps friendships with Russia, North Korea and Saudi Arabia bother you? How does his commitment to the coal industry fit with your desire for advancement? Doesn't that fit better with the Liberal push for clean energy?
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 15, 2019 17:25:07 GMT -5
And how do you feel about the shut down and the $5.7 billion for a wall?
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Post by moon/Laura on Jan 15, 2019 17:33:52 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? I don't think you're gonna get any answers from Trump fans on here. They don't want to admit that there is nothing Trump could ever do that would make them turn on him.
He could shoot a person in the middle of 5th Avenue.....
..they'd be non-white (because he's racist). They could be walking away, minding their own business and his people would
a. be ok with it, even seeing it with their own eyes b. somehow make it the victim's fault c. when the news reported it,they'd call it FAKE NEWS d. when trump denied it (despite it being witnessed), they'd say "He says he didn't do it, and I believe him!"
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2019 17:34:30 GMT -5
Coincidence? Probably not. Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyDespite the furor over the role of fake news in the 2016 presidential election, not that many people shared false articles on Facebook during that period. Those who did, however, were more likely to be Trump supporters — and far more likely to be over the age of 65. These are among the findings in a study by Princeton and New York University, published Wednesday. Complete article here: Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyThe results of the 2016 presidential election show Hillary Clinton won the following age groups: 18-29: 55/36 30-44: 51/41 While trump won with the following age groups: 45-64: 52/44 65 & over: 52/45 How Groups Voted 2016
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 15, 2019 17:34:48 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. ... Interesting list.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2019 17:42:40 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. Capitalism is highly dependent upon Creative Destruction. Whenever an innovation is actualized, it replaces/destroys entire industries. To build cars, you needed to destroy the horse industry, the jobs of harness makers, farriers, livery barns. Trains destroyed the stagecoach businesses. Electricity replaced lanterns, gas engines in factories, steam power in factories. Milking machines displaced milkmaids. Refrigerators replaced ice chests (daily ice delivery). Automation/Computers replaced all kinds of menial laboring jobs, house work, cooking, etc. And 1000s of other examples of innovations that destroyed/replaced the 'old' ways. And in nearly all cases, years later the new generation would not want to go back to the old ways. Politically, the US has been moving toward Socialism - avoiding innovation, trying to keep the status-quo, avoiding the creative destruction of existing systems. A recent example is the financial system, the 22,000 Dodd Frank regulations almost stopped the flow of capital that feeds innovation & business. Another eg is climate control - the Left wants to write a carbon-tax Law. So - if the price of getting rid of anti-business, anti-capitalist, regulatory overreach requires that I hear a few vulgarities, crude remarks, and some exaggerations, I'm happy to pay the price. As for the Far-Left count of 'actual' lies (what is it, about 6000 now?) - I have no trouble with that at all. Sorry folks, a misstatement and an exaggeration do not count as lies. I'm very pleased with what Pres Trump is doing for us - but I am saddened that most people seem to be unable to grasp that. Oh,please. They're outright, blatant LIES. If it makes you feel better, you can call them misstatements and exaggerations but they're dishonest lies, from a person known for his self-serving mendacity. Whatever helps you sleep at night, I guess.......
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 15, 2019 17:43:40 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. ... Interesting list. Actually out of that list you can't credit American's with most of the innovations, you used them but you didn't invent most of them, and the vast spaces and natural resources were already here. Your laws evolve from the English system. So really the only thing left that has anything to do with anything is the lack of regulatory constraints.
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Post by mroped on Jan 15, 2019 17:49:35 GMT -5
We became the greatest society in the world at a fast pace(only after 1870s we actually started booming) because we allowed creativity, ingenuity, dedication to come in. In fact we encouraged it and if you look at things we more or less paid intelligence to move in. You think that Tesla or Einstein moved to the US because they weren’t doing so well in their home countries? They were fine but they got offered more just to come here and they took the chance. Moreover, the US hasn’t had a war on its territory since the Civil War so more than 150 years. In the mean time Europe had been erased and rebuilt twice completely. I refuse to accept the fact that Trump supporters are still holding his side because is something that “we need it”. We needed Trump just the same way we need a small pox epidemic! But the law is the law and as usual he found a loophole in it and enough money and “support” to go with it!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2019 17:54:18 GMT -5
Actually out of that list you can't credit American's with most of the innovations, you used them but you didn't invent most of them, and the vast spaces and natural resources were already here. Your laws evolve from the English system. So really the only thing left that has anything to do with anything is the lack of regulatory constraints. Exactly. The USA did not invent steam engines or telegraphy or railroads or the radio. I don't see how Phil can credit "American innovation" for that.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 15, 2019 17:57:35 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. Capitalism is highly dependent upon Creative Destruction. Whenever an innovation is actualized, it replaces/destroys entire industries. To build cars, you needed to destroy the horse industry, the jobs of harness makers, farriers, livery barns. Trains destroyed the stagecoach businesses. Electricity replaced lanterns, gas engines in factories, steam power in factories. Milking machines displaced milkmaids. Refrigerators replaced ice chests (daily ice delivery). Automation/Computers replaced all kinds of menial laboring jobs, house work, cooking, etc. And 1000s of other examples of innovations that destroyed/replaced the 'old' ways. And in nearly all cases, years later the new generation would not want to go back to the old ways. Politically, the US has been moving toward Socialism - avoiding innovation, trying to keep the status-quo, avoiding the creative destruction of existing systems. A recent example is the financial system, the 22,000 Dodd Frank regulations almost stopped the flow of capital that feeds innovation & business. Another eg is climate control - the Left wants to write a carbon-tax Law. So - if the price of getting rid of anti-business, anti-capitalist, regulatory overreach requires that I hear a few vulgarities, crude remarks, and some exaggerations, I'm happy to pay the price. As for the Far-Left count of 'actual' lies (what is it, about 6000 now?) - I have no trouble with that at all. Sorry folks, a misstatement and an exaggeration do not count as lies. I'm very pleased with what Pres Trump is doing for us - but I am saddened that most people seem to be unable to grasp that. Was that after the 1999 Gramm-Leach-Biley act of 1999....when we deregulated the financial system and in a few short years it was on the brink of collapsing?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 15, 2019 18:31:39 GMT -5
Coincidence? Probably not. Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyDespite the furor over the role of fake news in the 2016 presidential election, not that many people shared false articles on Facebook during that period. Those who did, however, were more likely to be Trump supporters — and far more likely to be over the age of 65. These are among the findings in a study by Princeton and New York University, published Wednesday. Complete article here: Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyThe results of the 2016 presidential election show Hillary Clinton won the following age groups: 18-29: 55/36 30-44: 51/41 While trump won with the following age groups: 45-64: 52/44 65 & over: 52/45 How Groups Voted 2016this is bourne out again and again and again, by every survey I have ever seen.
the GOP owns a solid majority of a fading demographic.
not a good way to build a future.
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Post by tallguy on Jan 15, 2019 18:39:16 GMT -5
Coincidence? Probably not. Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyDespite the furor over the role of fake news in the 2016 presidential election, not that many people shared false articles on Facebook during that period. Those who did, however, were more likely to be Trump supporters — and far more likely to be over the age of 65. These are among the findings in a study by Princeton and New York University, published Wednesday. Complete article here: Over-65s Most Likely to Share Fake News, Says StudyThe results of the 2016 presidential election show Hillary Clinton won the following age groups: 18-29: 55/36 30-44: 51/41 While trump won with the following age groups: 45-64: 52/44 65 & over: 52/45 How Groups Voted 2016this is bourne out again and again and again, by every survey I have ever seen.
the GOP owns a solid majority of a fading demographic.
not a good way to build a future.
Yeah, who knew it would become an embarrassment to be part of the over-45, white, male demographic? I never expected that. The rest of these clowns are really giving us a bad name.
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Post by phil5185 on Jan 15, 2019 18:41:24 GMT -5
The Americans had the innovation to move all of those things to a new country and apply them to mankind - largely because they were free of the constraints of a cumbersome financial system, free of the constraints of licensing, and free of space constraints. Remember, the US ended just past the Big River, it was nothing but unclaimed space as far as you could see to the west. You could farm it, mine it, drill it, build on it, anything. That really shows how important sensible regulations are (as opposed to some guy writing 22,000 pages of tripe just cuz he is pissed at someone with an opposing view).
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2019 18:54:23 GMT -5
The Americans had the innovation to move all of those things to a new country and apply them to mankind - largely because they were free of the constraints of a cumbersome financial system, free of the constraints of licensing, and free of space constraints. Remember, the US ended just past the Big River, it was nothing but unclaimed space as far as you could see to the west. You could farm it, mine it, drill it, build on it, anything. That really shows how important sensible regulations are (as opposed to some guy writing 22,000 pages of tripe just cuz he is pissed at someone with an opposing view). Lol! Typical American hubris. So, when people in other countries invented the radio, steam engines, telegraphy, railroads, et al., they were not applied to mankind? Were they applied to Siamese cats? Goldfish?
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Post by giramomma on Jan 15, 2019 18:57:21 GMT -5
The Americans had the innovation to move all of those things to a new country and apply them to mankind - largely because they were free of the constraints of a cumbersome financial system, free of the constraints of licensing, and free of space constraints. Remember, the US ended just past the Big River, it was nothing but unclaimed space as far as you could see to the west. You could farm it, mine it, drill it, build on it, anything. That really shows how important sensible regulations are (as opposed to some guy writing 22,000 pages of tripe just cuz he is pissed at someone with an opposing view). So, it's fair, maybe to see that the present is the most important, even if it means sacrificing the future. Right. 100 years ago, mankind didn't worry about saving their 15-20% for retirement, etc. If things were good today, that was good enough.
We sort of heard the same thing from Shooby. She was happy that gas was down and a few other things were going well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 15, 2019 18:58:27 GMT -5
The US rapidly became greatest society in the world - and in only 240 years. Innovation - steam, railroads, telegraph, radio, vast spaces, natural resources, right to own property, laws, a financial system, freedoms. Capitalism spurted & flourished when a society became free of the space & regulatory constraints of European Society. Capitalism is highly dependent upon Creative Destruction. Whenever an innovation is actualized, it replaces/destroys entire industries. To build cars, you needed to destroy the horse industry, the jobs of harness makers, farriers, livery barns. Trains destroyed the stagecoach businesses. Electricity replaced lanterns, gas engines in factories, steam power in factories. Milking machines displaced milkmaids. Refrigerators replaced ice chests (daily ice delivery). Automation/Computers replaced all kinds of menial laboring jobs, house work, cooking, etc. And 1000s of other examples of innovations that destroyed/replaced the 'old' ways. And in nearly all cases, years later the new generation would not want to go back to the old ways. Politically, the US has been moving toward Socialism - avoiding innovation, trying to keep the status-quo, avoiding the creative destruction of existing systems. A recent example is the financial system, the 22,000 Dodd Frank regulations almost stopped the flow of capital that feeds innovation & business. Another eg is climate control - the Left wants to write a carbon-tax Law. So - if the price of getting rid of anti-business, anti-capitalist, regulatory overreach requires that I hear a few vulgarities, crude remarks, and some exaggerations, I'm happy to pay the price. As for the Far-Left count of 'actual' lies (what is it, about 6000 now?) - I have no trouble with that at all. Sorry folks, a misstatement and an exaggeration do not count as lies. I'm very pleased with what Pres Trump is doing for us - but I am saddened that most people seem to be unable to grasp that. Adam Smith was opposed to the idea of private land ownership. Abraham Lincoln had a Marxist giving him economic advice. Thomas Jefferson was opposed to corporations that were endowed with unlimited lifetimes. He was also opposed to the Federal Government having a permanent military of any kind.
from where I sit, liberal ideas are what most of the founders believed in. if you believe as I do, this idea that we are "getting back to" some earlier time of pure capitalist goodness is just silly. there never was such a time.
there WAS, however, a time when our government paid it's bills, largely minded it's own business, and let others do the same. there was a time when each citizen prepared for war according to his ability, and THAT was our national defense. there was a time when worker and owner shared equally in the blessings of free enterprise. I would very much like to get back to that time, but Trump is pretty much the opposite of that as far as I can tell.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 15, 2019 19:00:16 GMT -5
Don't ever stop posting, Phil. Your posts are very amusing. We all need a good laugh from time to time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 15, 2019 19:01:17 GMT -5
this is bourne out again and again and again, by every survey I have ever seen.
the GOP owns a solid majority of a fading demographic.
not a good way to build a future.
Yeah, who knew it would become an embarrassment to be part of the over-45, white, male demographic? I never expected that. The rest of these clowns are really giving us a bad name. I never bought the "greatest generation" bullshit. but I never expected the boomers to fall so miserably flat on their faces, either.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 15, 2019 19:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah, who knew it would become an embarrassment to be part of the over-45, white, male demographic? I never expected that. The rest of these clowns are really giving us a bad name. I never bought the "greatest generation" bullshit. but I never expected the boomers to fall so miserably flat on their faces, either.
Some of us didn't.
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