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Post by phil5185 on Jan 15, 2019 23:13:35 GMT -5
They aren't really an answer to the global climate problem, they can't put out enough steady reliable controllable power. If millions of them were networked to power the world, the control would rough, ie, we might need 2X, 3X of them to backfill the ever changing lack of winds - or excess winds. But they are a time-honored source of power, Holland has used them for centuries, the farm that I grew up on in the 1940s had the remnants of a windmill in a pasture. Currently, wind gives us about 7% of our power (way more than solar which is only 1% to 2%).
Don't know. Needs study. An extra 300 million over 50 years would probably strain our abilities. The next generations might grow to tolerate crowded conditions, import food, etc. Or they might hate crowds and cut back on the allowable inflow of people - the point is, we, as a country would control the inflow.
Again, don't know, of the 200 nations some friendships would work, some wouldn't. But they should try.
I think Trump is on board w/ the plan, and willing to listen to other plans. Reduced regulations would continue to be helpful (this is true with most endeavors). People, businesses, corporations will reduce their pollution output faster and better without strict regulations, businesses would like to buy clean inexpensive energy, it is more profitable than fighting the continuous govt reg cycle. Far-Left govt, OTOH, does such things as write a reg that states that cars shall get 100 mpg by 2020. Not helpful. But physics won't allow it - so they fine the non-compliance. The Plan? Nuclear plants. There are currently 450 globally. China and Russia have 66 under construction. An additional ~300 would replace the fossil fuel plants around the world. (Many of the new modern reactors are much larger than current plants - China eg, has mega reactors.)
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Post by dondub on Jan 15, 2019 23:20:21 GMT -5
What's really pathetic and un-American is how the little douche has acted as POTUS. One would have hoped that he would rise to the occasion once he found out he was president. Instead he has become the lowest cretin ever with no sense of noblesse oblige as our top dog. Could he not have performed all of these great things he has allegedly done, according to the Trumpistas here, without all of vileness, rancor, and other assorted manifestations of his obviously warped personality? Instead he has lowered himself into the cesspool, degraded the office, irked our allies, made us a laughing stock of civilized nations everywhere. Unconscionable.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jan 15, 2019 23:38:59 GMT -5
So you don't know what immigration is adding to the population at what rate but you're comfortable saying it's not sustainable. Do you not believe that Putin and Kim want to turn Democracies into Dictatorships, preferably the ones rule by them? Do you remember that you've gone to war with these countries because of their expansionist behaviours? Considering they have never done so in all of history, why are you so comfortable claiming they will now? phil5185
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Post by tallguy on Jan 15, 2019 23:49:45 GMT -5
Because if you are going to create your own narrative, you might as well make it a good one?
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Post by dondub on Jan 16, 2019 0:16:43 GMT -5
I'm waiting for anything (other than Phil's say so) that shows Dodd~Frank almost stopped the flow of capital? Considering that Gramm~Leach~Bliley helped cause near world wide financial collapse DF has been a sneeze.
I believe weltsy is waiting for a list of businesses that have re-shored.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 16, 2019 0:39:24 GMT -5
I'm waiting for anything (other than Phil's say so) that shows Dodd~Frank almost stopped the flow of capital? Considering that Gramm~Leach~Bliley helped cause near world wide financial collapse DF has been a sneeze.
I believe weltsy is waiting for a list of businesses that have re-shored. Lol! That list is not forthcoming. (and it's "100s of businesses!")
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Post by billisonboard on Jan 16, 2019 1:13:47 GMT -5
I agree with everything Phil said. I would like to add most on here4 don't like president Trump because he is Trump. He could cure cancer ... But he can't cure cancer. He can't do the focused dedicated work necessary for the length of time necessary to accomplish it. It would not be something that he could have pursued as his life's work that would have make him personally rich. He doesn't have the mental capacity to learn enough to get it done.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 16, 2019 5:48:38 GMT -5
I wonder, conservatives closed their eyes and imagined President Obama did and said half the things President Trump has said and done …what would their response be?
What is really scary to me, when conservatives commend him on his relationships with Russia and NK, they can't see they are playing him. And his dissing our allies. Just seeing him sitting on the world stage with Putin....stating that he believed him over our own intelligence, I mean, you don't think there is something wrong there? Can you imagine for a moment that President Obama did that?
Think about right now, if President Obama kept the government shut down to get the American taxpayer to pay for one of his campaign promises, OMG Sean Hanity would be having a stroke every night!
It's not just because it is Donald Trump. It's because I thought the US stood for something....like integrity! Something the almighty dollar can't buy. That is all his life revolves around. Seems to be for conservatives too.
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Post by ednkris on Jan 16, 2019 6:54:36 GMT -5
ednkris what do you mean by hate Trump because he's Trump? And did you support Obama? It doesn't matter what he does it will never be any good for the democrates. I did not vote for Obama and I was very outspoken against the ACA and how it was handled, but as far as bashing him no. The office of the president should be held in high regard no matter who is in office. For the country sake I never wanted him to fail no matter how much I disliked his policies or leadership
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Post by ednkris on Jan 16, 2019 7:01:02 GMT -5
I wonder, conservatives closed their eyes and imagined President Obama did and said half the things President Trump has said and done …what would their response be? What is really scary to me, when conservatives commend him on his relationships with Russia and NK, they can't see they are playing him. And his dissing our allies. Just seeing him sitting on the world stage with Putin....stating that he believed him over our own intelligence, I mean, you don't think there is something wrong there? Can you imagine for a moment that President Obama did that? Think about right now, if President Obama kept the government shut down to get the American taxpayer to pay for one of his campaign promises, OMG Sean Hanity would be having a stroke every night! It's not just because it is Donald Trump. It's because I thought the US stood for something....like integrity! Something the almighty dollar can't buy. That is all his life revolves around. Seems to be for conservatives too. How long did obama keep the govt down for the aca
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 16, 2019 7:23:06 GMT -5
I wonder, conservatives closed their eyes and imagined President Obama did and said half the things President Trump has said and done …what would their response be? What is really scary to me, when conservatives commend him on his relationships with Russia and NK, they can't see they are playing him. And his dissing our allies. Just seeing him sitting on the world stage with Putin....stating that he believed him over our own intelligence, I mean, you don't think there is something wrong there? Can you imagine for a moment that President Obama did that? Think about right now, if President Obama kept the government shut down to get the American taxpayer to pay for one of his campaign promises, OMG Sean Hanity would be having a stroke every night! It's not just because it is Donald Trump. It's because I thought the US stood for something....like integrity! Something the almighty dollar can't buy. That is all his life revolves around. Seems to be for conservatives too. How long did obama keep the govt down for the aca Was his campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it?
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Post by ednkris on Jan 16, 2019 7:40:43 GMT -5
How long did obama keep the govt down for the aca Was his campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it? Out in left field whew
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 16, 2019 7:56:26 GMT -5
Was his campaign promise that Mexico was going to pay for it? Out in left field whew You don't remember President Trump's campaign rally's where he would have the crowd chanting that he was going to build a wall and who is going to pay for it? MEXICO Or was that just a misstatement? Alternative fact? Truth is not the truth? Whew
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Post by saveinla on Jan 16, 2019 8:00:44 GMT -5
I think Trump is on board w/ the plan, and willing to listen to other plans. Reduced regulations would continue to be helpful (this is true with most endeavors). People, businesses, corporations will reduce their pollution output faster and better without strict regulations, businesses would like to buy clean inexpensive energy, it is more profitable than fighting the continuous govt reg cycle. Far-Left govt, OTOH, does such things as write a reg that states that cars shall get 100 mpg by 2020. Not helpful. But physics won't allow it - so they fine the non-compliance. The Plan? Nuclear plants. There are currently 450 globally. China and Russia have 66 under construction. An additional ~300 would replace the fossil fuel plants around the world. (Many of the new modern reactors are much larger than current plants - China eg, has mega reactors.) Like this town where business has not cleaned up - www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/climate/tce-cancer-trump-environment-deregulation.htmlJOHNSON COUNTY, Ind. — The children fell ill, one by one, with cancers that few families in this suburban Indianapolis community had ever heard of. An avid swimmer struck down by glioblastoma, which grew a tumor in her brain. Four children with Ewing’s sarcoma, a rare bone cancer. Fifteen children with acute lymphocytic leukemia, including three cases diagnosed in the past year. At first, families put the illnesses down to misfortune. But as cases mounted, parents started to ask: Could it be something in the air or water? Their questions led them to an old industrial site in Franklin, the Johnson County seat, that the federal government had ordered cleaned up decades ago. Recent tests have identified a carcinogenic plume spreading underground, releasing vapors into homes.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 16, 2019 8:27:17 GMT -5
I think Trump is on board w/ the plan, and willing to listen to other plans. Reduced regulations would continue to be helpful (this is true with most endeavors). People, businesses, corporations will reduce their pollution output faster and better without strict regulations, businesses would like to buy clean inexpensive energy, it is more profitable than fighting the continuous govt reg cycle. Far-Left govt, OTOH, does such things as write a reg that states that cars shall get 100 mpg by 2020. Not helpful. But physics won't allow it - so they fine the non-compliance. The Plan? Nuclear plants. There are currently 450 globally. China and Russia have 66 under construction. An additional ~300 would replace the fossil fuel plants around the world. (Many of the new modern reactors are much larger than current plants - China eg, has mega reactors.) Phil I appreciate your responses. I like having a board with many points of view.
However your positive opinion of businesses voluntarily reducing their pollution output is wrong. If you think back to the era of the monopolies and robber barons who controlled much of the oil, gas, timber and manufacturing industries, back when there were few regulations, it was not a golden age for most Americans. Sure, the robber barons did well, but this was also a time of child labor, sweat shops, and dangerous work conditions that often resulted in people being maimed or killed on the job, with no repercussions to the employer. Industries had carte blanche to pollute, and they did (look, for example, at the ecological disasters that happened at Copper Hill, TN, and the Love Canal, in NY).
I've worked at manufacturing facilities since graduating college back when we used quill pens, and none of them would spend a thin dime or half a second on an environmental or health and safety issues unless there were legal/regulatory reasons for doing so. In the last decade, some companies trying to sell products to more 'green' minded consumers have started touting their zero landfill status (like Subaru) but that's just the industries that target green consumers. Industries never, ever do the moral or ethical thing, unless they think they can also profit from it - they always do what's good for the bottom line and for shareholders.
Think of conditions in India, China or Mexico, and that's where we would be without regulations preventing our corporations from doing whatever they wanted. Fine for the wealthy people in their gated communities, not so fine for the lower classes living in open sewers, in shanty towns, doing shit work for almost no pay.
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Post by happyhoix on Jan 16, 2019 8:33:02 GMT -5
Going back to the question of what it would take for Trump's dedicated followers to start questioning their devotion - I've always thought if the Fox talking heads turned on him, Trump would be toast. All the really zealous Trump supporters I know refuse to listen to any other news source other than Fox.
I'm not sure what it would take to turn the Fox talking heads against him. (The Fox news journalists have already pushed back a few times - Shepard Smith especially) - but the network knows all Trump is great business for them, pretty much a guaranteed market, so I don't know what it would take to make people like Jeanine Pirro turn on him.
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Post by andi9899 on Jan 16, 2019 9:13:04 GMT -5
I wonder, conservatives closed their eyes and imagined President Obama did and said half the things President Trump has said and done …what would their response be? What is really scary to me, when conservatives commend him on his relationships with Russia and NK, they can't see they are playing him. And his dissing our allies. Just seeing him sitting on the world stage with Putin....stating that he believed him over our own intelligence, I mean, you don't think there is something wrong there? Can you imagine for a moment that President Obama did that? Think about right now, if President Obama kept the government shut down to get the American taxpayer to pay for one of his campaign promises, OMG Sean Hanity would be having a stroke every night! It's not just because it is Donald Trump. It's because I thought the US stood for something....like integrity! Something the almighty dollar can't buy. That is all his life revolves around. Seems to be for conservatives too. How long did obama keep the govt down for the aca Being as how we're currently in the longest government shutdown in American history, is that really a comparison you want to make?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 9:13:16 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? Did you really expect a thoughtful response from anyone when your oriiginal question is about kissing Trump's ass? All you did was encourgage your followers to attack attack attack. I did have a nice ten item list, but proboards went "Ah snap" on me and it was gone. I guess even proboards is anti Trump, lol. As to your last question, what would he have to do to see him as a slime ball.......for me, it would be cowtowing to Chuck and Nancy and fail to get the border wall money.
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 16, 2019 9:58:08 GMT -5
So, this isn't really political, per se, but at the same time, I don't want to put it in EE because whining..
So, my question is: What would it take for you to stop kissing trump's ass? Obviously, the constant lies, blatant racism, and being Putin's puppet isn't enough, nor is his nonchalant attitude about the government shutdown. So what would he have to do for you to see him as the slime ball he is? Did you really expect a thoughtful response from anyone when your oriiginal question is about kissing Trump's ass? All you did was encourgage your followers to attack attack attack. I did have a nice ten item list, but proboards went "Ah snap" on me and it was gone. I guess even proboards is anti Trump, lol. As to your last question, what would he have to do to see him as a slime ball.......for me, it would be cowtowing to Chuck and Nancy and fail to get the border wall money. Yeah, our country is much better off with President Trump cowtowing to Rush, Sean, and Ann.
Can you explain two things to me? Why are you not upset that Mexico is not paying for this wall? Why, if such a crises, did President Trump not get it done when he had total control of the government?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 10:00:37 GMT -5
Did you really expect a thoughtful response from anyone when your oriiginal question is about kissing Trump's ass? All you did was encourgage your followers to attack attack attack. I did have a nice ten item list, but proboards went "Ah snap" on me and it was gone. I guess even proboards is anti Trump, lol. As to your last question, what would he have to do to see him as a slime ball.......for me, it would be cowtowing to Chuck and Nancy and fail to get the border wall money.OK, fair enough. You are very concerned about border security and want to see increased efforts in that direction. You must be open to compromise- it is a political necessity in a democratic society. Would you be open to meeting halfway- instead of 5.7 or 0, how about 2.85? Now, what about spending that money in the best way possible, to get the best return on it? The big beautiful wall with a big beautiful door in the middle is a nice rally slogan, but it is not at all thought out. What about a thoughtful plan to spend that money on a combination of things agreed to have maximum effect- personnel, surveillance tech, and yes, walls and fencing where effective and sensible? Would that be a deal you could live with? Nancy and Chuck's idea of drones counting the number of illegals crossing the border is not the answer, and I am sure the democrats would not like the number that is actually counted to ever see the light of day. I am positive no one wants armed drones on the border to prevent entry.......so drones are a no as far as security, unless we fly them in Mexican airspace and we physically stop the migrants before stepping foot on this side of the border, which we all know cannot be done. Like many of you, I laughed at that big beautiful door. So we have some stupid statements on both sides of the aisle. You also have to remember, Chuck and Nancy were for the border wall before they were against it. You know, when Obama called for border security. As to the amount, I am not the expert. They have to break out the money for specific uses for the American public. I do know to not allocate any money for it is a mistake. Thank you for a reasoned response. Have not seen many here on the thread.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 10:05:59 GMT -5
Did you really expect a thoughtful response from anyone when your oriiginal question is about kissing Trump's ass? All you did was encourgage your followers to attack attack attack. I did have a nice ten item list, but proboards went "Ah snap" on me and it was gone. I guess even proboards is anti Trump, lol. As to your last question, what would he have to do to see him as a slime ball.......for me, it would be cowtowing to Chuck and Nancy and fail to get the border wall money. Yeah, our country is much better off with President Trump cowtowing to Rush, Sean, and Ann.
Can you explain two things to me? Why are you not upset that Mexico is not paying for this wall? Why, if such a crises, did President Trump not get it done when he had total control of the government?
1. I never believed Mexico would pay for the wall. How do we make them? My arguement is we withold the money we send them yearly until we pay for the wall. Money they do not receive which is basically a waste of our money, pays for it, hence Mexico, in a roundabout way pays for it. 2. I think if you have followed my posting over the years, I have talked about RINOS. Congress is full of them, who are afraid of standing up to the democrats on anything.
Yes, it should have happened in the first 60 days of his Administration but there were so many damn Republicans still in the never Trump club as they never thought he would last, and if they backed him, their money donors would them.
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2019 10:57:01 GMT -5
Going back to the question of what it would take for Trump's dedicated followers to start questioning their devotion - I've always thought if the Fox talking heads turned on him, Trump would be toast. All the really zealous Trump supporters I know refuse to listen to any other news source other than Fox.
I'm not sure what it would take to turn the Fox talking heads against him. (The Fox news journalists have already pushed back a few times - Shepard Smith especially) - but the network knows all Trump is great business for them, pretty much a guaranteed market, so I don't know what it would take to make people like Jeanine Pirro turn on him.
I don’t watch Fox
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2019 10:58:03 GMT -5
Yeah, our country is much better off with President Trump cowtowing to Rush, Sean, and Ann.
Can you explain two things to me? Why are you not upset that Mexico is not paying for this wall? Why, if such a crises, did President Trump not get it done when he had total control of the government?
1. I never believed Mexico would pay for the wall. How do we make them? My arguement is we withold the money we send them yearly until we pay for the wall. Money they do not receive which is basically a waste of our money, pays for it, hence Mexico, in a roundabout way pays for it. 2. I think if you have followed my posting over the years, I have talked about RINOS. Congress is full of them, who are afraid of standing up to the democrats on anything.
Yes, it should have happened in the first 60 days of his Administration but there were so many damn Republicans still in the never Trump club as they never thought he would last, and if they backed him, their money donors would them. Or tax the money they send to Mexico
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Post by zibazinski on Jan 16, 2019 10:58:55 GMT -5
OK, fair enough. You are very concerned about border security and want to see increased efforts in that direction. You must be open to compromise- it is a political necessity in a democratic society. Would you be open to meeting halfway- instead of 5.7 or 0, how about 2.85? Now, what about spending that money in the best way possible, to get the best return on it? The big beautiful wall with a big beautiful door in the middle is a nice rally slogan, but it is not at all thought out. What about a thoughtful plan to spend that money on a combination of things agreed to have maximum effect- personnel, surveillance tech, and yes, walls and fencing where effective and sensible? Would that be a deal you could live with? Nancy and Chuck's idea of drones counting the number of illegals crossing the border is not the answer, and I am sure the democrats would not like the number that is actually counted to ever see the light of day. I am positive no one wants armed drones on the border to prevent entry.......so drones are a no as far as security, unless we fly them in Mexican airspace and we physically stop the migrants before stepping foot on this side of the border, which we all know cannot be done. Like many of you, I laughed at that big beautiful door. So we have some stupid statements on both sides of the aisle. You also have to remember, Chuck and Nancy were for the border wall before they were against it. You know, when Obama called for border security. As to the amount, I am not the expert. They have to break out the money for specific uses for the American public. I do know to not allocate any money for it is a mistake. Thank you for a reasoned response. Have not seen many here on the thread. Why can’t it be done?
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Post by tbop77 on Jan 16, 2019 11:12:33 GMT -5
Yeah, our country is much better off with President Trump cowtowing to Rush, Sean, and Ann.
Can you explain two things to me? Why are you not upset that Mexico is not paying for this wall? Why, if such a crises, did President Trump not get it done when he had total control of the government?
1. I never believed Mexico would pay for the wall. How do we make them? My arguement is we withold the money we send them yearly until we pay for the wall. Money they do not receive which is basically a waste of our money, pays for it, hence Mexico, in a roundabout way pays for it. 2. I think if you have followed my posting over the years, I have talked about RINOS. Congress is full of them, who are afraid of standing up to the democrats on anything.
Yes, it should have happened in the first 60 days of his Administration but there were so many damn Republicans still in the never Trump club as they never thought he would last, and if they backed him, their money donors would them. 1. Sounds good to me! 2. Sounds like a political stunt to close the government then to me. If he couldn't get his own party under control, why does he expect the Dems to do it.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 16, 2019 11:13:17 GMT -5
Yeah, our country is much better off with President Trump cowtowing to Rush, Sean, and Ann.
Can you explain two things to me? Why are you not upset that Mexico is not paying for this wall? Why, if such a crises, did President Trump not get it done when he had total control of the government?
1. I never believed Mexico would pay for the wall. How do we make them? My arguement is we withold the money we send them yearly until we pay for the wall. Money they do not receive which is basically a waste of our money, pays for it, hence Mexico, in a roundabout way pays for it. 2. I think if you have followed my posting over the years, I have talked about RINOS. Congress is full of them, who are afraid of standing up to the democrats on anything.
Yes, it should have happened in the first 60 days of his Administration but there were so many damn Republicans still in the never Trump club as they never thought he would last, and if they backed him, their money donors would them. We give them about $300M per year. If the wall cost 20B, how long will it take for Mexico to pay for the wall? We give Mexico about $300M per year. 75% of that is spent on domestic and international narcotics law enforcement. Given that most drugs are snuggled through from Mexico at legal points of entry, will the wall prevent the increase of drugs that would come if Mexico reduces their efforts?
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 11:13:51 GMT -5
Nancy and Chuck's idea of drones counting the number of illegals crossing the border is not the answer, and I am sure the democrats would not like the number that is actually counted to ever see the light of day. I am positive no one wants armed drones on the border to prevent entry.......so drones are a no as far as security, unless we fly them in Mexican airspace and we physically stop the migrants before stepping foot on this side of the border, which we all know cannot be done. Like many of you, I laughed at that big beautiful door. So we have some stupid statements on both sides of the aisle. You also have to remember, Chuck and Nancy were for the border wall before they were against it. You know, when Obama called for border security. As to the amount, I am not the expert. They have to break out the money for specific uses for the American public. I do know to not allocate any money for it is a mistake. Thank you for a reasoned response. Have not seen many here on the thread. Why can’t it be done? If you are referencing American drones patrolling the border in Mexico, you would be violating Mexico's sovereign space. Lest we forget about three thousand democrats or there about, plus a never Trumper would file a lawsuit seeking an injunction.
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Post by Value Buy on Jan 16, 2019 11:16:20 GMT -5
Nancy and Chuck's idea of drones counting the number of illegals crossing the border is not the answer, and I am sure the democrats would not like the number that is actually counted to ever see the light of day. I am positive no one wants armed drones on the border to prevent entry.......so drones are a no as far as security, unless we fly them in Mexican airspace and we physically stop the migrants before stepping foot on this side of the border, which we all know cannot be done. Like many of you, I laughed at that big beautiful door. So we have some stupid statements on both sides of the aisle. You also have to remember, Chuck and Nancy were for the border wall before they were against it. You know, when Obama called for border security. As to the amount, I am not the expert. They have to break out the money for specific uses for the American public. I do know to not allocate any money for it is a mistake. Thank you for a reasoned response. Have not seen many here on the thread. You're not the expert? Neither am I.! And I am sure that President Trump isn't either. The concept of "The Wall" started as a talking point at rallies that was chosen because Trump could remember it and repeatedly reference it, according to former campaign managers. What was behind it was the idea of border security and further mitigating illegal immigration. This was something that was a proven winner politically with people he was trying to connect with (and it worked!) So, since he was elected on border security, border security is an issue, and we need to figure out "what the hell is going on", lets have the experts look at it. Again, from what I have read, "they" suggest a combination of things- primarily more personnel, combined with surveillance (maybe some by unarmed drones- don't know that) to direct operations, materiel, and in some areas better barriers such as fencing and walls. Regarding Schumer, Pelosi and the rest, yes, they to understand the need for secure borders. However the specific "walls" that were advocated during the Bush and Obama Admins have mostly been built. This is not the flip flop that the right leaning news media makes it out to be. Although I am not sure how good of a fence Nancy and Chuck voted to be built, the fact is we have hundreds of miles of ineffective fencing that would not stop a toddler from getting through on their own.
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Post by thyme4change on Jan 16, 2019 11:19:46 GMT -5
You're not the expert? Neither am I.! And I am sure that President Trump isn't either. The concept of "The Wall" started as a talking point at rallies that was chosen because Trump could remember it and repeatedly reference it, according to former campaign managers. What was behind it was the idea of border security and further mitigating illegal immigration. This was something that was a proven winner politically with people he was trying to connect with (and it worked!) So, since he was elected on border security, border security is an issue, and we need to figure out "what the hell is going on", lets have the experts look at it. Again, from what I have read, "they" suggest a combination of things- primarily more personnel, combined with surveillance (maybe some by unarmed drones- don't know that) to direct operations, materiel, and in some areas better barriers such as fencing and walls. Regarding Schumer, Pelosi and the rest, yes, they to understand the need for secure borders. However the specific "walls" that were advocated during the Bush and Obama Admins have mostly been built. This is not the flip flop that the right leaning news media makes it out to be. Although I am not sure how good of a fence Nancy and Chuck voted to be built, the fact is we have hundreds of miles of ineffective fencing that would not stop a toddler from getting through on their own. Your arguments are very interesting. Keep talking. Right now I got that we have a wall, and it doesn't work.
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