Jamal Khashoggi Isn't Important

[djAdvocate]

Nov 28, 2018 21:21:38 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I don't recall saying Donald Trump is a super cool guy but I do believe he is the best president (so far) since Ronald Reagan. Then again I dont fall in line and follow the liberal sheep because that's the cool thing.

he is certainly the most disruptive president since RR, and the most disdainful of government probably ever.

what standard are you using to judge him by?

[djAdvocate]

nothing?  i was asking the question sincerely, ed.

[Gardening Grandma]

Nov 28, 2018 21:42:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

 Someone that can view a film clip of Trump mocking the disabled reporter by swinging his arms and making a contorted face, and deny it, is so

far down the rabbit hole as to have achieved a level of worthlessness rarely seen on this board. Instead of adding water to the Koo-Aid it's a direct

snort of the powder from lines on the coffee table.

Decent people don’t mock the disabled. And decent people don’t condone it either.

No one with an ounce of integrity thinks this asswipe is a good human being, let alone a good president

[weltschmerz]

Dec 3, 2018 23:59:26 GMT -5 Gardening Grandma said:

Nov 28, 2018 21:42:02 GMT -5 dondub said:

 Someone that can view a film clip of Trump mocking the disabled reporter by swinging his arms and making a contorted face, and deny it, is so

far down the rabbit hole as to have achieved a level of worthlessness rarely seen on this board. Instead of adding water to the Koo-Aid it's a direct

snort of the powder from lines on the coffee table.

Decent people don’t mock the disabled. And decent people don’t condone it either.

No one with an ounce of integrity thinks this asswipe is a good human being, let alone a good president

I even have my doubts about the "human being" part.
He's more like something that demons conjured up.

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 4, 2018 7:59:03 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

By asking that Trump be included in the memorial the Bushes demonstrated a call for national unity.  However what they also did was to bring into as sharp a focus as possible the difference between a decent man who put country first, and the snarling malevolent man child Trump, who is the polar opposite.

And calling your president--a man most Republicans respect--a "snarling malevolent man child" who's "the polar opposite" of a "decent man who put country first" is your tribute to national unity, in the spirit of honouring Pres. Bush?

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 4, 2018 11:55:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Dec 4, 2018 11:52:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

And calling your president--a man most Republicans respect--a "snarling malevolent man child" who's "the polar opposite" of a "decent man who put country first" is your tribute to national unity, in the spirit of honouring Pres. Bush?

No, it is my tribute to the truth.  I'm sorry Virgil, I despise the man, and fortunately I am on a board where I can simply speak the truth as I see it.  There is nothing decent about the man- except for maybe the purity of the gold filigree in his penthouse.  

If I want to be circumspect I will do it on the Bush memorial thread.  

It just strikes me as ironic that you bring up Pres. Bush's posthumous appeal for unity and then proceed to crap on it before you've reached the end of the paragraph.

[dondub]

  Perhaps the Bush appeal was to the malevolent man child and not to some anonymous poster on a message board. I'm quite positive Trump is having a far greater impact on disunity than deminmaine.

[happyhoix]

Dec 4, 2018 13:11:48 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 11:55:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

No, it is my tribute to the truth.  I'm sorry Virgil, I despise the man, and fortunately I am on a board where I can simply speak the truth as I see it.  There is nothing decent about the man- except for maybe the purity of the gold filigree in his penthouse.  

If I want to be circumspect I will do it on the Bush memorial thread.  

It just strikes me as ironic that you bring up Pres. Bush's posthumous appeal for unity and then proceed to crap on it before you've reached the end of the paragraph.

If deminmaine was making the statement directly to Trump, I would agree with you.

An anonymous post on a message board we can reasonably assume is not visited by Trump is just one step away from thinking bad thoughts about him in your head.

I don't recall you wringing your hands when someone claimed Obama was a Muslim Nigerian.

[Gardening Grandma]

Dec 4, 2018 11:52:29 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 7:59:03 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

By asking that Trump be included in the memorial the Bushes demonstrated a call for national unity.  However what they also did was to bring into as sharp a focus as possible the difference between a decent man who put country first, and the snarling malevolent man child Trump, who is the polar opposite.

And calling your president--a man most Republicans respect--a "snarling malevolent man child" who's "the polar opposite" of a "decent man who put country first" is your tribute to national unity, in the spirit of honouring Pres. Bush?

Decent people do not respect him - Republicans have left the cult in droves

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 4, 2018 17:25:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Dec 4, 2018 13:11:48 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

It just strikes me as ironic that you bring up Pres. Bush's posthumous appeal for unity and then proceed to crap on it before you've reached the end of the paragraph.

If deminmaine was making the statement directly to Trump, I would agree with you.

An anonymous post on a message board we can reasonably assume is not visited by Trump is just one step away from thinking bad thoughts about him in your head.

I don't recall you wringing your hands when someone claimed Obama was a Muslim Nigerian.

The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason.

Perhaps Demin felt the thread had gone on too long without somebody crapping on your president, and so be it, but to insult the man in the same breath as he's paying lip service to Pres. Bush's tribute to national unity? Bad form.

As for me, if some member opined, "I admire Pres. Bush inviting Pres. Obama to the funeral, despite their longstanding disagreements, in an appeal for national unity. It's too bad Pres. Obama is a vindictive Muslim Nigerian man child who I'm now going to malign for no reason. ...", you better believe I'd chime in with a reality check. The only difference is that I wouldn't need to.

[dondub]

 Perhaps deminmaine needs some of your posting suggestions so he can 'fall in line' so to speak.

[weltschmerz]

Dec 4, 2018 18:35:46 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 17:25:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If deminmaine was making the statement directly to Trump, I would agree with you.

An anonymous post on a message board we can reasonably assume is not visited by Trump is just one step away from thinking bad thoughts about him in your head.

I don't recall you wringing your hands when someone claimed Obama was a Muslim Nigerian.

The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason.

Perhaps Demin felt the thread had gone on too long without somebody crapping on your president, and so be it, but to insult the man in the same breath as he's paying lip service to Pres. Bush's tribute to national unity? Bad form.

As for me, if some member opined, "I admire Pres. Bush inviting Pres. Obama to the funeral, despite their longstanding disagreements, in an appeal for national unity. It's too bad Pres. Obama is a vindictive Muslim Nigerian man child who I'm now going to malign for no reason. ...", you better believe I'd chime in with a reality check. The only difference is that I wouldn't need to.

??
There are thousands of reasons.

[happyhoix]

Dec 4, 2018 18:35:46 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 17:25:34 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If deminmaine was making the statement directly to Trump, I would agree with you.

An anonymous post on a message board we can reasonably assume is not visited by Trump is just one step away from thinking bad thoughts about him in your head.

I don't recall you wringing your hands when someone claimed Obama was a Muslim Nigerian.

The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason.

Perhaps Demin felt the thread had gone on too long without somebody crapping on your president, and so be it, but to insult the man in the same breath as he's paying lip service to Pres. Bush's tribute to national unity? Bad form.

As for me, if some member opined, "I admire Pres. Bush inviting Pres. Obama to the funeral, despite their longstanding disagreements, in an appeal for national unity. It's too bad Pres. Obama is a vindictive Muslim Nigerian man child who I'm now going to malign for no reason. ...", you better believe I'd chime in with a reality check. The only difference is that I wouldn't need to.

Funny that I don't recall you warning people posting about Obama's overzealous pursuit of golf that they were hurting the boards dems tender feelings for no discernible reason.

In fact I don't recall you giving posting instructions to anyone but the left leaning members. Is it possible all the right leaning members always post tasteful comments that never hurt the delicate feelings of the dem posters here?  Is it possible the dems are mean, belligerent and nasty, compared to the angelic GOP posters?

[dondub]

It's because "liberalism is a mental disorder". I read that somewhere.

[tbop77]

Nov 28, 2018 22:22:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 28, 2018 21:21:38 GMT -5 ednkris said:

I don't recall saying Donald Trump is a super cool guy but I do believe he is the best president (so far) since Ronald Reagan. Then again I dont fall in line and follow the liberal sheep because that's the cool thing.

he is certainly the most disruptive president since RR, and the most disdainful of government probably ever.

what standard are you using to judge him by?

I think the standard is running up the national debt, maybe? 

When Bush took office in 1989, the federal budget debt stood at $2.8 trillion, three times larger than it had been in 1980.
www.quora.com/What-were-George-H-W-Bushs-reasons-for-increasing-taxes-during-his-presidency

The federal government’s red ink this year is already 21 percent above what it was in 2017, and there are few prospects that the bottom line will improve anytime soon.

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/08/20/donald-trump-trillion-dollar-plus-deficits-fiscal-ruin-column/986236002/

[Virgil Showlion]

I'm not being critical of anything you yourselves haven't routinely criticized. You make it sound as though I'm doing you wrong, or doing Demin wrong, by calling him out for behaviour an antithetical to an ideal (unity) he's praised.

Sorry.

[Tennesseer]

"The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason."

Get over it.  For five plus years on these boards, we had to listen about Obama from some of the Republicans who are still here and those who fled for like-minded pastures.

For five plus years we had to hear some of the Republicans post some of the meanest names and things about Obama and his wife.  

For five plus years we had to look at some pretty mean spirited, Photoshopped memes about Obama and his wife.

All of a sudden, trump gets elected and there are new rules on July 28, 2016,  about name calling and no Photoshopped pictures of public figures any more because a few Republicans had their feeling hurt.

Where the hell were the mods , for those five years with all the crap democrats and liberals had to put up with the nasty names names, and Photoshopped pictures about Obama and  Hillary Clinton were posted day in and day out before rules were put in place.

Get over it.

[dondub]

Virgil,

 I think you are missing the point. Sorry.

[NastyWoman]

Dec 4, 2018 20:27:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason."

Get over it.  For five plus years on these boards, we had to listen about Obama from some of the Republicans who are still here and those who fled for like-minded pastures.

For five plus years we had to hear some of the Republicans post some of the meanest names and things about Obama and his wife.  

For five plus years we had to look at some pretty mean spirited, Photoshopped memes about Obama and his wife.

All of a sudden, trump gets elected and there are new rules on July 28, 2016,  about name calling and no Photoshopped pictures of public figures any more because a few Republicans had their feeling hurt.

Where the hell were the mods , for those five years with all the crap democrats and liberals had to put up with the nasty names names, and Photoshopped pictures about Obama and  Hillary Clinton were posted day in and day out before rules were put in place.

Get over it.

meh! ignore him. I do and it works wonders for my peace of mind (and for keeping me from getting kicked of the boards)

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 4, 2018 20:27:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason."

Get over it.  For five plus years on these boards, we had to listen about Obama from some of the Republicans who are still here and those who fled for like-minded pastures.

For five plus years we had to hear some of the Republicans post some of the meanest names and things about Obama and his wife.  

For five plus years we had to look at some pretty mean spirited, Photoshopped memes about Obama and his wife.

All of a sudden, trump gets elected and there are new rules on July 28, 2016,  about name calling and no Photoshopped pictures of public figures any more because a few Republicans had their feeling hurt.

Where the hell were the mods , for those five years with all the crap democrats and liberals had to put up with the nasty names names, and Photoshopped pictures about Obama and  Hillary Clinton were posted day in and day out before rules were put in place.

Get over it.

Were any of these insults uttered by members who, mere moments earlier, praised calls for unity between Republicans and Democrats?

If so, and I was present during the discussion, and I failed to object, by all means fault me for it here.

If not, you don't fathom my criticism. Indeed I wouldn't presume to ask the denizens of one of the most vocally anti-Trump message boards on Earth to give up their beloved pastime, especially after I failed in 2016 to convince a single soul to reconsider even petty vices such as name calling. Moreover, if I pushed the issue even once for every twenty times somebody here derided Pres. Trump as a snarling malicious man child or worse, I'd have time for nothing else.

I do draw the line at slamming the president in the same breath as paying lip service to American unity, however. It's insulting, it has nothing to do with this thread, nothing to do with Pres. Bush, and I'd selfishly like just a few minutes of the short time I spend on this board to be free of the Trump-obsessed muck that consumes 95% of all P/CE -related discussions.

Why Demin is talking about Pres. Bush's call for unity in a thread about Jamal Kashoggi is beyond me, but at the very least could he just say, "I think that George HW Bush is performing one last service for his country. By asking that Trump be included in the memorial the Bushes demonstrated a call for national unity," and leave it at that? If he thinks unity is a good and worthwhile thing, and he wants to honour Pres. Bush's tribute, is that too much to ask?

ETA: Or else come out and admit that righteous indignation trumps unity, Pres. Bush's tribute, while well-intended, is futile and not to be respected, and no American should rest from war until Pres. Trump and his Republican backers are scoured from the halls of power.

[dondub]

Let’s cut through the lengthy verbiage and get right to the chase. You’re right. The Bush call for unity will be completely ignored but by the members of what used to be his party. The Repos have gone off the rails and until they are ‘scoured’ out of the body politic there is no hope for any unity.

Hadn’t you noticed they have had zero desire for any bipartisan cooperation now dating back almost 10 years. Perhaps if they dismounted from their social high horses of anti-abortion and homophobia and instead came up with anything at all that betters our country for the 99% we might be able to see some unity. But guess what, Virgil? You’re conservative brethren won’t be doing crapola.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 5, 2018 0:35:16 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 20:27:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"The disunity is in calling Pres. Trump names in front of the board's few remaining Republicans--and for no discernible reason."

Get over it.  For five plus years on these boards, we had to listen about Obama from some of the Republicans who are still here and those who fled for like-minded pastures.

For five plus years we had to hear some of the Republicans post some of the meanest names and things about Obama and his wife.  

For five plus years we had to look at some pretty mean spirited, Photoshopped memes about Obama and his wife.

All of a sudden, trump gets elected and there are new rules on July 28, 2016,  about name calling and no Photoshopped pictures of public figures any more because a few Republicans had their feeling hurt.

Where the hell were the mods , for those five years with all the crap democrats and liberals had to put up with the nasty names names, and Photoshopped pictures about Obama and  Hillary Clinton were posted day in and day out before rules were put in place.

Get over it.

Were any of these insults uttered by members who, mere moments earlier, praised calls for unity between Republicans and Democrats?

If so, and I was present during the discussion, and I failed to object, by all means fault me for it here.

If not, you don't fathom my criticism. Indeed I wouldn't presume to ask the denizens of one of the most vocally anti-Trump message boards on Earth to give up their beloved pastime, especially after I failed in 2016 to convince a single soul to reconsider even petty vices such as name calling. Moreover, if I pushed the issue even once for every twenty times somebody here derided Pres. Trump as a snarling malicious man child or worse, I'd have time for nothing else.

I do draw the line at slamming the president in the same breath as paying lip service to American unity, however. It's insulting, it has nothing to do with this thread, nothing to do with Pres. Bush, and I'd selfishly like just a few minutes of the short time I spend on this board to be free of the Trump-obsessed muck that consumes 95% of all P/CE -related discussions.

Why Demin is talking about Pres. Bush's call for unity in a thread about Jamal Kashoggi is beyond me, but at the very least could he just say, "I think that George HW Bush is performing one last service for his country. By asking that Trump be included in the memorial the Bushes demonstrated a call for national unity," and leave it at that? If he thinks unity is a good and worthwhile thing, and he wants to honour Pres. Bush's tribute, is that too much to ask?

ETA: Or else come out and admit that righteous indignation trumps unity, Pres. Bush's tribute, while well-intended, is futile and not to be respected, and no American should rest from war until Pres. Trump and his Republican backers are scoured from the halls of power.

Welcome to the muck some of us put up with since December 2010. You were pretty much silent, little to no chastising of the Obama haters, no patraonizing and condescending sermons, through the Obama years.

[Tennesseer]

Dec 5, 2018 10:43:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Dec 5, 2018 10:32:04 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Neither does Virgil.

Since Chiver's post as a mod dealt with people attacking Virgil's posts, reading comprehension should kick in for everyone here. Evidently not.
Virgil, to the best of my knowledge has never threated any poster on a thread with any repercussions for posting styles, and has alwys been a mod who treats everyone with respect.
It seems the liberals dislike receiving well thought out arguments on their posts that are less than honest.
I get it that some posters dislike his stances on several issues, but to denigrate him as a mod, posting on threads when everyone knows he is posting as a member is ludicrous.
Anyone remember in the beginning he was the geek that trouble shooted the board on all the various problems that popped up? Quite frankly many of us would have disappeared from the board without him fixing some issues in the beginning.

Yes, we should all  worship the very slush Virgil walks on. Give me a friggin break.

[chiver78]

Dec 5, 2018 10:25:32 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nov 26, 2018 14:43:04 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

okay, let's move on from this discussion about Virgil's posting habits. going to be cleaning up some posts soon. 

-chiver mod

Obviously the liberal board members either do not take you serious or know you do not follow up very muchon your admonishments based on the posts the last few days.

not that it's really any of your business why I haven't been on the boards much the past few days, but I have barely been checking in via mobile app. I am also not the only moderator. if you have an issue with specific posts, or trending posts in a thread, feel free to use the tools given to posters and report it/them to the entire moderating team.

have a nice day. I have to prepare for a wake now.

[Virgil Showlion]

VB is right that the thread is going off the rails.

Let's wrap this up.

Tennesseer: You're being unfair, sir. I didn't contribute to Obama bashing, and I've indeed admonished his detractors when I felt they were being malicious or excessive--on many occasions. Even so, you have to understand I'm not in the habit of piling on abuse as part of a mob, and I've witnessed precious few instances where a member attacked Pres. Obama maliciously and wasn't immediately set upon by an angry mob. What purpose does my voice serve if it's being drowned out by a dozen others all shouting the same thing? Don't hold this against me.

deminmaine: If Pres. Trump is the "antithesis of unity" as you say, may I suggest the next time a statesman honours him (e.g. through a funeral invite), don't characterize it as "service for his country" and "a call for national unity". This might lead some to believe you feel the honour is appropriate and genuinely conducive to unity. Instead, be candid. "Pres. Bush had noble intentions in inviting Pres. Trump, but he erred in doing so. There can be no honour or unity where Pres. Trump is involved, and Pres. Bush's gesture is vanity."  ...Preferably in a thread where either Pres. Bush or Pres. Trump has something to do with the thread topic.

dondub: You're clearly among the leftist cohort who wants nothing to do with unity and compromise, and I can hardly blame you since I'm likewise unwilling to compromise on any of the issues you list. Having said this, neither of us goes around praising compromise and unity.

[dondub]

dondub: You're clearly among the leftist cohort who wants nothing to do with unity and compromise, and I can hardly blame you since I'm likewise unwilling to compromise on any of the issues you list. Having said this, neither of us goes around praising compromise and unity.

There you go again with a grandiose pronouncement about ME. Nothing in my statement about the Bush call for unity indicates your opinion is even remotely correct. In fact, you don't know shit.

[Virgil Showlion]

Dec 5, 2018 12:52:33 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Should be noted that Turkey and SA have been engaged in a diplomatic feud for a while now, long before this tragedy (?)

In a similar vein, was the recent report on the GM plant closings/layoffs on the CBS network news last week.

3 minutes of how Trumps promise of jobs is not coming to fruition,  finished off in closing, with one sentence that the models produced at these plants were not selling.

Indeed. The media is both the man's greatest enemy and his greatest boon.

Against all odds, they manage to make him look like the lesser evil half the time.

[imawino]

Dec 4, 2018 13:11:48 GMT -5 Virgil Showlion said:

Dec 4, 2018 11:55:52 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

No, it is my tribute to the truth.  I'm sorry Virgil, I despise the man, and fortunately I am on a board where I can simply speak the truth as I see it.  There is nothing decent about the man- except for maybe the purity of the gold filigree in his penthouse.  

If I want to be circumspect I will do it on the Bush memorial thread.  

It just strikes me as ironic that you bring up Pres. Bush's posthumous appeal for unity and then proceed to crap on it before you've reached the end of the paragraph.

I think it's ironic that you don't appear to have noticed that Dem's post that you are crapping all over was simply pointing out the irony that the Bush family's gesture of inclusiveness shone yet another light on the current spiteful and divisive administration.  You're the one who decided to interpret that Dem was saying we should all support a spirit of unity and then didn't.  He actually never said that at all.  You appear to have just wanted to throw and try to catch dem at being a hypocrite when he wasn't.

Now I for one suspect the gestures at unity were more for the personal benefit of the Bush family at this time (though I don't think they are generally bad human beings or that there is anything wrong with them wanting to ensure the proper pomp and circumstance for the funeral), and will continue to fearlessly crap all over whatever I so choose.     

[mmhmm]

Please, get back on topic. This thread is about Mr. Khashoggi. It isn't about President Bush; nor, is it about Virgil. It's not about Trump, either. There are other threads in which those matters can be discussed. Thanks.

mmhmm, Politics Moderator

[thyme4change]

Bob Corker says MBS absolutely did it.

Lindsey Graham says MBS absolutely did it.

We should stop selling weapons to Saudia Arabia. The deal isn't worth it. We have blood on our hands. Not just Khashoggie's blood, but many, many innocent people in Yemen.