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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 22, 2016 14:26:02 GMT -5
They have been picking the fruits and vegetables here in Washington for as long as I can remember and are a necessary part of the eastern Washington economy. Ask any grower.
Perhaps all those trump voters age 18-25 that are unemployed should give it a whirl. Then Trump could crow about American job creation. Just because they provide cheap labor doesn't mean they aren't a huge security risk to our nation. The fact that millions of illegals can sneak into our nation and stay here says we have major security issues. But apparently because legal citizens crossing at actual border crossings get searched, we have no issues...and that leads me to worry about the IQ of some people voting
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 14:26:52 GMT -5
The Obama admin deported 2.5 million between 2009-2015.
I just found a site that said illegal immigration in that same period was 2.5 million.
The I did some math.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 22, 2016 14:27:40 GMT -5
So you are saying we have great border security and illegals aren't coming in each year? No she is saying she is pissed because they were breaking the law and were caught. It does seem to happen to American citizens rather than illegal aliens I wonder why...I mean, clearly the illegals would go through the designated border crossings, right?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 22, 2016 14:30:27 GMT -5
No she is saying she is pissed because they were breaking the law and were caught. It does seem to happen to American citizens rather than illegal aliens I wonder why...I mean, clearly the illegals would go through the designated border crossings, right? Well, many do in the refrigeratored trailers
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 14:32:49 GMT -5
Once Trump secures the borders and eliminates the fears people have about illegals, not one will get into this country and everyone can breath a sigh of relief until they buy some lettuce.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 22, 2016 14:34:09 GMT -5
I have long been of the opinion that anyone in the country illegally should be deported, but it has NOTHING to do with security or fear.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 22, 2016 14:34:15 GMT -5
Once Trump secures the borders and eliminates the fears people have about illegals, not one will get into this country and everyone can breath a sigh of relief until they buy some lettuce. Lettuce sales have been slipping for years anyway!
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 22, 2016 14:34:16 GMT -5
The Obama admin deported 2.5 million between 2009-2015. And since the illegal population has remained unchanged in that time frame, that means 2.5 million more snuck in.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 22, 2016 14:35:38 GMT -5
Once Trump secures the borders and eliminates the fears people have about illegals, not one will get into this country and everyone can breath a sigh of relief until they buy some lettuce. We pay one way or another. Illegals are a drain on the taxpayers so I would rather pay more for lettuce
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 22, 2016 14:37:25 GMT -5
The Obama admin deported 2.5 million between 2009-2015.
I just found a site that said illegal immigration in that same period was 2.5 million.
The I did some math. could you post the site for me? I am not arguing the numbers, just interested in them. TY
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 14:39:53 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Dec 22, 2016 14:40:23 GMT -5
They have been picking the fruits and vegetables here in Washington for as long as I can remember and are a necessary part of the eastern Washington economy. Ask any grower.
Perhaps all those trump voters age 18-25 that are unemployed should give it a whirl. Then Trump could crow about American job creation. Just because they provide cheap labor doesn't mean they aren't a huge security risk to our nation. The fact that millions of illegals can sneak into our nation and stay here says we have major security issues. But apparently because legal citizens crossing at actual border crossings get searched, we have no issues...and that leads me to worry about the IQ of some people voting We have security issues in relation to these people entering our country, but they are not assumed to be the physical security risk Muslims are considered. This has been an issue before you and I were even born.
Here's some interesting history that I found FWIW. www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1002-hong-1965-immigration-act-20151002-story.html
Having issues grabbing text. I did not know that before 1965 immigration from Mexico and Latin America countries was largely unrestricted. It also discusses how the law passed in 1965 did not stem the tide of immigration from Mexico, etc. but ended up just making people illegal that in prior years would have been legal.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 22, 2016 14:43:23 GMT -5
The Obama admin deported 2.5 million between 2009-2015.
I just found a site that said illegal immigration in that same period was 2.5 million.
The I did some math. Guess what? I believe you just proved the liberals wrong that Trump could not possibly ship all the illegals back home. Evidently President Obama had no problem shipping 2.5 million back home and we did not hear of any problem with transportation! If Obama could do 2.5 million, surely Trump can quadruple the number rather efficiently.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 14:44:39 GMT -5
The Obama admin deported 2.5 million between 2009-2015.
I just found a site that said illegal immigration in that same period was 2.5 million.
The I did some math. Again...in that figure is the same person being deported over and over again. They don't tell you about that part. So...10 people coming in and 1 person being deported 10 times is not net zero.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 22, 2016 14:47:05 GMT -5
But even if the effect is net zero, that is still 2.5 million people that were not vetted at all. Don't you think there could be some risk there?
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 16:11:22 GMT -5
GEL,
Based on your assumption then each deported illegal that returns 10 times can also be counted 10 times. No one tells you about that part. 10 - 10 = 0
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 16:13:01 GMT -5
MT,
Of course there is risk there. But they have been coming for years and there are probably 11 million right now, and I do not feel they are challenging the security of these United States.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2016 16:19:40 GMT -5
But even if the effect is net zero, that is still 2.5 million people that were not vetted at all. Don't you think there could be some risk there? of course! let's analyze the risk, shall we? how many terrorist incidents in the last two decades in the US involved illegal immigrants (those that passed over the Southern border undetected)? the thing i don't like about this issue is the "wild goose chase" nature of it. we propose to spend billions solving a "problem" without any known scope. it rubs the engineer inside me to a raw, chaffing state.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 16:20:32 GMT -5
GEL,
Based on your assumption then each deported illegal that returns 10 times can also be counted 10 times. No one tells you about that part. 10 - 10 = 0 Oh. Ok!
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 16:24:37 GMT -5
Just using your logic.
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 16:25:05 GMT -5
We pay one way or another. Illegals are a drain on the taxpayers so I would rather pay more for lettuce.
I have seen this many times over the years. I'd be interested in a link to any study that thoroughly examines that. I do know that illegals:
-Pay into SS without ever getting any back out -Pay income taxes -Pay sales taxes, gas taxes etc. -Buy stuff that supports businesses and our economy. -Work in a variety of jobs that you don't see too many UE Americans doing. -Generate lots of business success for those businesses
In other words, they juice our economy quite significantly in numerous areas.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 16:34:38 GMT -5
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 16:36:55 GMT -5
Let's try this another way.
If we have 10 people come into the US illegally and one of those people is repeatedly caught and is deported 10 times, how many people out of that original 10 are still here in the US illegally?
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 16:44:37 GMT -5
If 1 person comes into the US 10 times, and is deported 10 times, that is 10 illegal immigrants and 10 deportees.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 16:47:36 GMT -5
If 1 person comes into the US 10 times, and is deported 10 times, that is 10 illegal immigrants and 10 deportees. That is not what I asked you. Obviously, you are under no obligation to answer. If you'd rather take the 5th.....
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2016 17:04:00 GMT -5
Oh, OK. 9. Although taking the 5th indicates something else.
If 1 illegal gets deported 10 times how many illegal immigrants crossed the border?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 22, 2016 17:17:49 GMT -5
Oh, OK. 9. Although taking the 5th indicates something else.
If 1 illegal gets deported 10 times how many illegal immigrants crossed the border? Thank you. So 9 remaining is not net zero. That's my only point here and my concern remains with those who remain. My other concern is the deceptive stats.
Now to answer your question since you so nicely replied to mine. If that original 10 that I mentioned were all one person and counted 10 times along with the 10 deportations, you would be right in that particular situation was a wash and that does happen. My concern, again, is with who remains and that most certainly is not net zero. We are not deporting as many illegals as are coming in.
I do, however, see your point.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Dec 22, 2016 18:23:19 GMT -5
Obviously, I am not the only one who was annoyed at the zillion 3-post threads. Most times, I think "Is it just me?" For once, it isn't! The anti Trump threads were getting kind of ridiculous in number, especially considering the guy hasn't actually done anything yet. We get it, the lefties don't like Trump.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Dec 22, 2016 18:41:17 GMT -5
Obviously, I am not the only one who was annoyed at the zillion 3-post threads. Most times, I think "Is it just me?" For once, it isn't! The anti Trump threads were getting kind of ridiculous in number, especially considering the guy hasn't actually done anything yet.We get it, the lefties don't like Trump. the guy hasn't actually done anything yet.
Refuses to separate his business interests from his governing duties Refuses daily intelligence briefings because he's "smart" Snubbed our strongest ally Upended 40 years of diplomacy with China and managed to do so looking like an idiot Effusively praised a country that harbors terrorist groups seeking to destroy us Tried to pressure Obama on a UN resolution Handed out cabinet appointments like candy canes to people with little to no relevant background or experience This leftie likes competence
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